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It’s ok if you don’t. I know how hard it is for folks with a cemented belief like yours. No learning is possible. Not even conversation is possible. You can’t even explain why you reply to other people’s posts with “false statement”. I don’t think you know how.
I already explained it. If you disagree with what I explained, then its been explained, and u gave your views against it. That doesnt mean I have to explain your views, that's not debating or discussion. When I say someone made a false statement, I mean the statement they made isnt in scripture and it goes against what is in scripture. If I told you you made a false statement, I can point it out, yet its your burden to prove why it is not false sense its not in the scripture. Also generally if I tell you a false statement, I give a scripture why.
Ok so I challenge you to reply to my post 781. With your self professed scholarship it should not be difficult for you to reconcile the verses.I explained my view at the bottom of the post so it should meet your demand.
The "only choices"? It seems to me that we have nothing but choices. And they are all in the context of God's domain.
Yes and no. You may think you have a choice and be acting on what you believe to be a choice before you are saved, but really you can only choose out of your fallen nature. That means you can’t choose to believe in God because you are dead in your sins. That is what Romans 3 is all about. All are under sin and do not have the ability to seek for or understand God. It is only after God has already turned your heart to himself that you have the ability (with the power of the Holy Spirit) to choose out of your redeemed nature. If you are seeking God, that is because He already worked His work on your heart and that leads you to seek for Him.
So does God offer this turning to all people and some freely opt out?
The important thing is not how Strong's translate "Érgon", but how Paul uses it. Paul consistently contrasts "works/érgon" with "faith".
I do agree, but I don't agree the work God accomplish at His pleasure in us is unconditional.
My own experience says I prayed to God first, then God changed my heart.
God chooses whom He will save. The general call is made, but only those with ears to hear are able to hear. Christ speaks this truth throughout the gospels.
Can you offer scripture to validate that belief? Because my own belief is that while I was running as hard as I could from God, he changed my heart. The difference between yours and my beliefs is that yours doesn’t allow my experience, but your experience can be solidly accepted in my belief, because in actuality, you don’t know WHEN God started working on your heart.
And those whom God does not choose, they are created for damnation?
No. God created the world and man and called it good. Man chose to rebel, bringing death and destruction onto himself and the world. God, in His mercy, chose to save some.
Its Gods choice and not your freewill that you alive today friend.
If they are not created for damnation, what are they created for?
The work God accomplishes in us is conditional of our response. I believe God had worked on my heart for a long time, possibly for years. But I knew the very moment God gave me a new heart, when I was born again and that was after prayer and confession. It's always God who makes the first move.
Why do you have children if you don’t know they will be saved? That’s YOUR choice, not God’s. He created them good, he did not create them as vessels of wrath, unless, of course, that’s the kind of God you believe in.
