Hegseth to Return Memorial Biden Tore Down in Arlington National Cemetery

FAITH-IN-HIM · 2025-08-10T09:10:51-0500

Akita Suggagaki said:
No it is not apples and oranges. The principle is the same, remaining faithful to the lost cause.

Why should that be celebrated? Homegrown terrorists also if being born and raised here makes a difference.

Most of these monuments were installed between the 1890s and 1930, during the Jim Crow and post-war periods. Their purpose was to preserve Southern ideology after defeat, not to promote healing or reconciliation.

Today, the reason is entirely different. Supporters of these monuments do not endorse slavery or racism; instead, they display them mainly to oppose liberals.

We will keep putting these monuments on display when the GOP is in power and removing them when Democrats return, repeating this cycle until we recognize how childish this tit-for-tat approach is. Unfortunately, given current attitudes, it may be a long time before Americans outgrow this behavior.

A New Dawn · 2025-08-10T09:13:56-0500

essentialsaltes said:
The military itself points out the monument's sanitized and mythologized view of the South, caricatures of black people, and 'Lost Cause' ideology.
Congress chose to have it removed.

This thread started as a love-fest for its restoration, and those of us who felt its removal was justified are appalled.

That's it; that's the uproar.

Did the military say why they were restoring it?
Did they say it was for the love of slavery?

I can understand there are questions, I hadn’t heard of it either being taken down or it’s being restored until I saw this thread, so there are questions I’d ask, but the sheer hatred being displayed here over something that might just be being restored for the purpose of showing just how wrong everything surrounding slavery was, is out of control. We, on the right believe murdering babies ranks right up there with slavery, especially since most abortion clinics are in black neighborhoods, but the left seems to think that it is A-Okay, and no big deal. I don't suppose you see how weird it is to see the injustice in what happened in the past but yet refuse to see the injustice that is happening right before your eyes. Probably not. The difference is that we cannot control what happened in the past, but we can control what happens in the NOW. And the left has not one ounce of concern that they are on the wrong side of the issue as long as they make sure to tell everyone how wrong something that ended over 150 years ago was.

essentialsaltes · 2025-08-10T09:19:32-0500

A New Dawn said:
Did the military say why they were restoring it?

Per the OP, SecDef Hegseth ordered it.

A New Dawn said:
The difference is that we cannot control what happened in the past, but we can control what happens in the NOW.

We did when we removed an offensive monument from a national cemetery. It doesn't change the past, it reflects what we choose to commemorate now.

Hegseth, having the benefit of the recent conversation about the entire issue, has NOW chosen to (re)commemorate the Lost Cause and Mammy and the loving bond between slave and master.

Hans Blaster · 2025-08-10T09:28:40-0500

A New Dawn said:
Isn’t that the point of this little hate-fest of a thread, that you are oh so worried that Trump is going to reinstate slavery? And the worry about the south must not rise up again? If it’s not, what’s all the uproar about?

The point is that confederates should be crushed like bugs. Their memory should only be of their dishonor.

Bring the good old bugle boys! we'll sing another song,

Sing it with a spirit that will start the world along;

Sing it as we used to sing it fifty thousand strong,

While we were marching through Georgia.

Hans Blaster · 2025-08-10T09:30:08-0500

Valletta said:
While slavery is deplorable, so too is abortion. I don't think there should be a monument for anyone who promotes or promoted abortion.

Let me know when the abortionists rise up in battle against the US. Until then I don't care about them.

Valletta · 2025-08-10T09:57:59-0500

Hans Blaster said:
Let me know when the abortionists rise up in battle against the US. Until then I don't care about them.

They have killed more than the entire Confederacy. And the Confederacy fought a military enemy, not infants.

Valletta · 2025-08-10T10:00:59-0500

Hans Blaster said:
Let me know when the abortionists rise up in battle against the US. Until then I don't care about them.

How about FDR statues? FDR took American citizens of Japanese ancestry and imprisoned them without a trial. That was an attack on the core of our government.

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-08-10T10:02:06-0500

Valletta said:
How about FDR statues? FDR took American citizens of Japanese ancestry and imprisoned them without a trial. That was an attack on the core of our government.

How many statues of FDR are there around the country?

I also very seriously doubt our conservative friends of today would have been against the internment of the Japanese during WWII. Not while you’re out here defending Alligator Alcatraz.

Hans Blaster · 2025-08-10T10:12:17-0500

Valletta said:
How about FDR statues? FDR took American citizens of Japanese ancestry and imprisoned them without a trial. That was an attack on the core of our government.

And it would be equivalent if anti-immigrant groups were putting up statutes of FDR and the administrators of the internment camps in areas where Japanese-Americans lived as a "signal".

Hans Blaster · 2025-08-10T10:12:46-0500

Valletta said:
They have killed more than the entire Confederacy. And the Confederacy fought a military enemy, not infants.

Valletta · 2025-08-10T11:24:31-0500

GoldenBoy89 said:
How many statues of FDR are there around the country?

I also very seriously doubt our conservative friends of today would have been against the internment of the Japanese during WWII. Not while you’re out here defending Alligator Alcatraz.

What a horrible and inaccurate thing to say. We believe in God given rights, in fact MAGA has launched a battle against racism. The left has been chastised by the Supreme Court for universities discriminating against those of Asian ancestry and MAGAs have been outspoken about antisemitism and the racist policies of DEI and CRT, not to mention the treatment by the left of so many black children in the educational system. The kids should be able to go to a school of their choice, private or public, and not forced to go to schools that have the worst result in the country. Instead of the left teaching them that they are victims and can't suceed because of discrimination they should be taught how well Nigerian immigrants do here in America, etc. The restoration of the family is also important toward giving everyone a chance as are the Judeo/Christian values are nation was founded upon. I fully understand Japanese citizens in the U.S being interred after a sneak attack, but the Democrats interning American citizens of Japanese ancestry was as wrong as can be. As to Alligator Alcatraz, how many hoaxed can a person fall for. Remember how the Obama/Biden cages were blamed on Trump? Or how Homeland Security was whipping immigrants because of the color of their skin?

essentialsaltes · 2025-08-10T11:33:19-0500

Valletta said:
As to Alligator Alcatraz, how many hoaxed can a person fall for.

It is no hoax that the very name of the place is an endorsement of cruel xenophobia.

Tropical Wilds · 2025-08-10T11:54:00-0500

A New Dawn said:
That's what Arlington National Cemetery is, a museum.

Look what Germany did, rebuilding the holocaust camps, with the saying by Santayana inscribed on a monument outside them, "Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it". Nothing different about the Civil War statues. You can't learn from something that you don't know anything about.

Arlington is not a museum. And the concentration camps were not rebuilt and turned into museums either. Most were torn down by the allies and the Nazis and a few that were left intact are places of solemnity and remembrance, a hallowed ground. Having been to a number of them, they may have artifacts or stories there, but their primary purpose is to serve as a sacred ground to memorialize those slaughtered there, give them voices, names, and restore their stories.

And let me tell you, the number of “artifacts” and statues displayed as tributes to the Nazis, their leaders, their cause, or their failed campaign (in former concentration camps or elsewhere in the country) are exactly zero. They’ve even gone through the cemeteries of the Nazi soldiers and removed and replaced the gravestones of Nazi fallen soldiers which all had Nazi imagery on them. Nobody bleating about “this is how we don’t forget and repeat history.” Education is how you don’t forget, not statues.

If you’re so worried about that legacy being lost and history repeating itself, you better be working to stop the undermining of schools, libraries, and colleges abilities to educate.

A New Dawn · 2025-08-10T11:54:04-0500

GoldenBoy89 said:
How many statues of FDR are there around the country?

I also very seriously doubt our conservative friends of today would have been against the internment of the Japanese during WWII. Not while you’re out here defending Alligator Alcatraz.

Alligator Alcatraz is for illegals aliens. The Japanese were citizens, so, yes, that event should never have happened. It’s just weird that you don’t seem to know the meanings of the words “illegal” and “aliens” yet don’t have a problem taking their side in an argument over the laws of our country being enforced.

DaisyDay · 2025-08-10T12:05:45-0500

Always in His Presence said:
Why would anyone in the US build a monument to the German army to promote reconciliation?

There are plenty of Holocaust memorials here in America even though that didn't happen here (to the Jews).

A New Dawn · 2025-08-10T12:06:41-0500

Tropical Wilds said:
Arlington is not a museum. And the concentration camps were not rebuilt and turned into museums either. Most were torn down by the allies and the Nazis and a few that were left intact are places of solemnity and remembrance, a hallowed ground. Having been to a number of them, they may have artifacts or stories there, but their primary purpose is to serve as a sacred ground to memorialize those slaughtered there, give them voices, names, and restore their stories.

And let me tell you, the number of “artifacts” and statues displayed as tributes to the Nazis, their leaders, their cause, or their failed campaign (in former concentration camps or elsewhere in the country) are exactly zero. They’ve even gone through the cemeteries of the Nazi soldiers and removed and replaced the gravestones of Nazi fallen soldiers which all had Nazi imagery on them. Nobody bleating about “this is how we don’t forget and repeat history.” Education is how you don’t forget, not statues.

If you’re so worried about that legacy being lost and history repeating itself, you better be working to stop the undermining of schools, libraries, and colleges abilities to educate.

I have been to Dachau. I can tell you that one of the barracks has been rebuilt so you can imagine the horror of the living conditions, and one of the ovens has been rebuilt for the same reason. Not for glorification. Remembrance of the horrors so it doesn’t happen again. (Which unfortunately it is in the Middle East, with the support of the majority of the left, and sadly, some of the right.)

And nobody is trying to undermine what schools teach about slavery OR the Holocaust, except the left, who are actively rewriting history to give false information, trying to turn us into a nations of haters and racists because of the customs of the day, which everyone, even the founders knew would take time to overcome. The preamble to the Constitution states as much, “We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union …..”. The founders knew it would be a work in process, but the haters of today think they are so much better from their 21st century sensibilities. All you all do is follow the mob, and had you lived back then it is likely, with your apparent hatred for the founding fathers, you’d have voted to not rebel against the British.

essentialsaltes · 2025-08-10T12:10:33-0500

A New Dawn said:
And nobody is trying to undermine what schools teach about slavery OR the Holocaust, except the left

Rubbish.

How some Texas parents and historians say a new state curriculum glosses over slavery and racism

A new Texas curriculum seeks to captivate first-grade students with a lesson on Monticello, Thomas Jefferson’s historic estate long revered for its French neoclassical architecture and as a symbol of the founding father’s genius. However, if the State Board of Education approves the curriculum...

www.christianforums.com

The rightwing US textbooks that teach slavery as ‘black immigration’

Guardian analysis finds that private schools, especially Christian schools, use textbooks that tell of a version of history that is racially biased and inaccurate

A New Dawn · 2025-08-10T12:31:44-0500

essentialsaltes said:
Rubbish.

How some Texas parents and historians say a new state curriculum glosses over slavery and racism

A new Texas curriculum seeks to captivate first-grade students with a lesson on Monticello, Thomas Jefferson’s historic estate long revered for its French neoclassical architecture and as a symbol of the founding father’s genius. However, if the State Board of Education approves the curriculum...

www.christianforums.com

The rightwing US textbooks that teach slavery as ‘black immigration’
Guardian analysis finds that private schools, especially Christian schools, use textbooks that tell of a version of history that is racially biased and inaccurate

I guess the alt left and the alt right are in a competition to see who can write the most incorrect history book. What can I say? At least some of the facts in the article you linked are true, despite the fact that you object to them. Malcom X was the most prominent black supremacist of his era. Even Martin Luther King, Jr., referred to his extreme tactics in his speeches, saying to look at his brother Malcom, if you don’t do things his (MLK’s) way then there will come a point in time they get done Malcom X’s way.

And illegal aliens ARE illegal aliens. They are not immigrants unless they are here legally. Immigration infers the legal process has been taken and those persons conform to our laws.

Valletta · 2025-08-10T12:47:00-0500

essentialsaltes said:
Rubbish.

How some Texas parents and historians say a new state curriculum glosses over slavery and racism

A new Texas curriculum seeks to captivate first-grade students with a lesson on Monticello, Thomas Jefferson’s historic estate long revered for its French neoclassical architecture and as a symbol of the founding father’s genius. However, if the State Board of Education approves the curriculum...

www.christianforums.com

The rightwing US textbooks that teach slavery as ‘black immigration’
Guardian analysis finds that private schools, especially Christian schools, use textbooks that tell of a version of history that is racially biased and inaccurate

"Critical Race Theory"(CRT) is a spinoff of the Marxist "Critical Theory." Derrick Bell is given the most credit for founding CRT. Class warfare and hatred in Critical Theory are replaced by race warfare and hatred in CRT.

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-08-10T12:51:18-0500

A New Dawn said:
Alligator Alcatraz is for illegals aliens.

Yeah and it’s a concentration camp that you support just because they’re “illegal”.

A New Dawn said:
The Japanese were citizens, so, yes, that event should never have happened.

I don’t buy for a second you wouldn’t have stood with the majority of Americans who supported the internment of Japanese Americans at the time. It was widely seen as a reasonable precaution in the aftermath of the attack on Pearl Harbor.

But since you seem to care so much about the Japanese Americans who were illegally imprisoned, why don’t you hear it directly from one of them?

MSN

A New Dawn said:
It’s just weird that you don’t seem to know the meanings of the words “illegal” and “aliens” yet don’t have a problem taking their side in an argument over the laws of our country being enforced.

What’s weird is how a simple legal designation is all it takes for you to abandon your humanity.

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