Watch: CNN Cuts Tulsi Gabbard Off as She Lays Out the Inconvenient Facts of the Russia Hoax

Say it aint so · Thursday at 9:49 AM

probinson said:
Here it is:

New Evidence of Obama Administration Conspiracy to Subvert President Trump’s 2016 Victory and Presidency

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From the press release:

Obama officials leaked false statements to media outlets, including The Washington Post, claiming, “Russia has attempted through cyber means to interfere in, if not actively influence, the outcome of an election.”

The problem here is, that was not a false statement. Not only that, it's what Russia was doing throughout the world given countries of their interest. What Tulsi is doing through this charade of a Epstein distraction, is to get her back in the good graces of Trump after she had the audacity to testify the truth come Iran's nuclear program.

I have been perusing this thread. I will take your claim at face value you are not a Trump supporter, but you are a defender of the indefensible come the Trump admin. Full disclosure. I think he's unfit be be president and a even worse human being.

probinson · Thursday at 9:55 AM

Say it aint so said:
I have been perusing this thread. I will take your claim at face value you are not a Trump supporter, but you are a defender of the indefensible come the Trump admin.

This sentence doesn't make sense to me.

But if you've perused the thread, you've seen that my main objection was that the hyper-charged language of the electron being STOLEN!!! and claims of Trump being an "illegitimate President" coupled with the dubious phrase "Russia hacked our election" resulted in the inevitable outcome that more than 2/3 of Democrats believed that Russia had tampered with vote tallies.

I believe Democrats were opportunistic in capitalizing on dubious information to push a narrative that simply was not true.

Say it aint so said:
Full disclosure. I think he's unfit be be president and a even worse human being.

Trump is the reason I changed my voter registration from Republican to Independent in 2016.

Say it aint so · Thursday at 10:09 AM

probinson said:
This sentence doesn't make sense to me.

But if you've perused the thread, you've seen that my main objection was that the hyper-charged language of the electron being STOLEN!!! and claims of Trump being an "illegitimate President" coupled with the dubious phrase "Russia hacked our election" resulted in the inevitable outcome that more than 2/3 of Democrats believed that Russia had tampered with vote tallies.

I believe Democrats were opportunistic in capitalizing on dubious information to push a narrative that simply was not true.

Trump is the reason I changed my voter registration from Republican to Independent in 2016.

Yes I think we have went over the changing vote tally thing. Again, you're NOT a Trump supporter, but you are a Trump et al defender even as an independent. If your issue is "Democrats were opportunistic in capitalizing on dubious information to push a narrative that simply was not true." Then this forum should be riddled with posts of disdain of the group who did exactly that with clarity and scale of outright lies, to the point of a coup tying steal the election. Those RICO type actions that both Jack Smith and the AG in Georgia laid out were real. Dollars to donuts that post of yours here doesn't exist. And since they won't be found, that's why I consider you a Trump defender of the indefensible.

probinson · Thursday at 10:15 AM

Say it aint so said:
Again, you're NOT a Trump supporter, but you are a Trump et al defender even as an independent.

How so? What I am defending that Trump has done? FTR, I think this renewed focus on what happened in 2016 and saying that they're going after Obama for, whatever it is they think he is guilty of, is stupid. However, that doesn't change my opinion about what the Democrats and media did when they lost in 2016.

Say it aint so said:
If your issue is "Democrats were opportunistic in capitalizing on dubious information to push a narrative that simply was not true." Then this forum should be riddled with posts of disdain with the group who exactly done with clarity and scale of outright lies to the point of tying steal the election.

I found what happened in 2020 to be reprehensible.

Say it aint so said:
Those RICO type actions that both Jack Smith and the AG in Georgia laid out were real. Dollars to donuts that post of yours here doesn't exist. And since they won't be found, that's why I consider you a Trump defender of the indefensible.

Apparently, nothing I say will change your opinion of me, which is fine. But the bottom line is, there was never any evidence to suggest that the 2016 election had been STOLEN!!!, but that didn't stop the media and the Democrats from running around shouting it from the rooftops.

Say it aint so · Thursday at 10:19 AM

probinson said:
How so? What I am defending that Trump has done? FTR, I think this renewed focus on what happened in 2016 and saying that they're going after Obama for, whatever it is they think he is guilty of, is stupid. However, that doesn't change my opinion about what the Democrats and media did when they lost in 2016.

I found what happened in 2020 to be reprehensible.

Apparently, nothing I say will change your opinion of me, which is fine. But the bottom line is, there was never any evidence to suggest that the 2016 election had been STOLEN!!!, but that didn't stop the media and the Democrats from running around shouting it from the rooftops.

Yes, you found it reprehensible, but again I think I am on safe ground to say you took no exception of that in this forum.

probinson · Thursday at 10:31 AM

Say it aint so said:
Yes, you found it reprehensible, but again I think I am on safe ground to say you took no exception of that in this forum.

I won't pretend to remember exactly what I said or how frequently I said it in this forum in 2020, but I have maintained the position that what happened at the Capitol on January 6, 2020 was reprehensible. Heck, I've said as much multiple times in this thread. So I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Say it aint so · Thursday at 10:42 AM

probinson said:
I won't pretend to remember exactly what I said or how frequently I said it in this forum in 2020, but I have maintained the position that what happened at the Capitol on January 6, 2020 was reprehensible. Heck, I've said as much multiple times in this thread. So I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Yes please, stop pretending.

probinson · Thursday at 10:47 AM

Say it aint so said:
Yes please, stop pretending.

Hans Blaster · Thursday at 10:49 AM

The Barbarian said:
Now you're resorting to facts, again. Typical liberal.

I'll try to cut that out... not!

Hans Blaster · Thursday at 10:52 AM

A New Dawn said:
Yes, yes he did. He didn’t text the specific plan to her but he said there was a plan. Too bad that the FBI agents embedded with the proud boys who came up with the plan to storm the Capitol didn’t text it to their girlfriends

Oh what did they say that you are over reading? "He has to be stopped" or something like that? The same kind of things people all over the country say about the politicians they don't like and mean "politically" all the time. (And about "unstoppable athletes" playing for teams that are playing theirs.)

A New Dawn · Thursday at 11:04 AM

essentialsaltes said:
Well, that's not Strzok or Page.

What orders? Strzok was making his own spicy comments. What are you quoting?

You probably can if the 'cops' release them to the public (and don't charge you with any crimes).

Strzok was not imprisoned, but he was wrongfully terminated.

What part of Strzok was in on the plan is not obvious or he wouldn’t have knowledge about it is missing for you? Are you suggesting that these are the types of sweet nothings that FBI agents whisper to their lovers?

Persons working at the intelligence agencies are not supposed to be so heavily biased that they would use the intelligence gathered to commit treasonous acts with it. It is right he was fired.

Hans Blaster · Thursday at 11:22 AM

A New Dawn said:
What part of Strzok was in on the plan is not obvious or he wouldn’t have knowledge about it is missing for you? Are you suggesting that these are the types of sweet nothings that FBI agents whisper to their lovers?

Persons working at the intelligence agencies are not supposed to be so heavily biased that they would use the intelligence gathered to commit treasonous acts with it. It is right he was fired.

He was literally one of the top FBI investigators investigating Russia's interference. He wasn't part of their plan.

The Barbarian · Thursday at 11:50 AM

probinson said:
You are correct that they didn't follow through, and neither did the Republicans. The riot at the Capitol did nothing to prevent the transfer of power based on the election results. It was all a bunch of noise that accomplished nothing.

They don't get a pass because their insurrection failed. Trump sent them there to stop the certification after Vice President Pence made it clear that he would not obey Trump, and would do his Constitutional duty. Trump did this publicly, promising he would be there with the mob. He lied, as usual.

A New Dawn · Thursday at 11:55 AM

Hans Blaster said:
He was literally one of the top FBI investigators investigating Russia's interference. He wasn't part of their plan.

He knew about the plan is all I said.

essentialsaltes · Thursday at 11:56 AM

A New Dawn said:
It is right he was fired.

Strzok has 1.2 million reasons why it was wrongful.

The Barbarian · Thursday at 11:59 AM

probinson said:
Perhaps the reason I'm being a bit hyperbolic in my description is to counter the incessant downplaying of what happened in 2016.

You know eight major Trump underlings were convicted or pleaded guilty in that affair. Republicans tried to downplay it, but it's history now. No point in trying to downplay it.

The Barbarian · Thursday at 12:00 PM

essentialsaltes said:
Strzok has 1.2 million reasons why it was wrongful.

They don't quite have control of the courts yet. It's killing them.

The Barbarian · Thursday at 12:04 PM

probinson said:
She did not. There was NEVER any evidence that the election was STOLEN!!!

The Russians disagree with you. The CIA has a recording of Russian intelligence officials celebrating their success in swinging the election for Trump. The evidence shows that collusion with the Russians helped, but it does not decisively show that they made the difference.

A New Dawn · Thursday at 12:05 PM

The Barbarian said:
They don't get a pass because their insurrection failed. Trump sent them there to stop the certification after Vice President Pence made it clear that he would not obey Trump, and would do his Constitutional duty. Trump did this publicly, promising he would be there with the mob. He lied, as usual.

Trump said “go peacefully and patriotically to make your voice heard”. Funny how when Trump said that the left somehow heard ’go start an insurrection’, but when Biden said “Trump is a danger to our democracy, someone needs to take him out”, clearly inciteful hate speech, the left agrees with it and doesn’t condemn the violence that comes as a result.

A New Dawn · Thursday at 12:06 PM

essentialsaltes said:
Strzok has 1.2 million reasons why it was wrongful.

No, he had a leftist deep state that wanted to clear everyone on their side of wrongdoing. Nothing more.

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