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Hopefully the former - I don't know the exact numbers. There are way too many PACs to track.Is that an exaggeration, or a confabulation?
How Trump, RNC raised hundreds of millions pushing baseless election fraud claims
Pro-Trump forces claimed massive voter fraud to solicit money for an "Election Defense Fund," but spent a relatively small amount to fight the election results.
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I'm beginning to be concerned about your fixation with this. 2/3 of the people I've talked to are not sure that it's healthy. I don't think I've known someone complain so much about an election that they won. I guess it's lucky that you didn't lose. Heaven knows what the psychological impact might have been on some people.
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What makes you think that I "won" in 2016? You must suffer from short-term memory loss, because I am certain that I've explained to you on more than one occasion that I am a registered independent and I've NEVER voted for Trump in any election.
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I get this a lot. So many people spend such a large amount of bandwidth denigrating the Democrats and supporting everything that Trump does, excusing his all-to-obvious faults, handwaving away his monstrously ridiculous statements and rejecting any attacks on his credibility, his character, his misogyny, his lies etc and then, when they've spent all this time supporting Trump and cheer leading the GOP, they say 'What me? A supporter? Heaven forbid!'
When you're ensconced in the GOP camp, waving the GOP flag and throwing rocks at the opposition then you will be treated as a supporter of said group.
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Do you really?
I'm pointing out that Democrats misled their voters about what happened in the 2016 election (in a thread where we're discussing what happened in the 2016 election).
Please find a single post where I've supported ANYTHING Trump has done.
That's amusing. Trump was the catalyst for why I changed my voter registration from Republican to Independent. I no longer felt like the Republicans (and Trump in specific) were representative of my ideals and values.
Trump says some wildly stupid things on the daily. You'll get no argument from me there.
I'm not sure who you're talking about, or where this has happened to you "a lot", but you're clearly not referring to me.
Or, perhaps you can't fathom someone being equally fed up with both Democrats and Republicans.
Of course, I've already told you all of this before. But since the only arrow in your quiver seems to be whataboutisms, you just don't know how to engage with me since I am equally disgusted by Republicans and Democrats. When you say, "What about the 2020 election?!" and I say, "Yes, that was an appalling display of idiocy", you just don't know what to say next.
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Yes. And if someone denigrates the Democrats or their supporters and/or their policies and praises what the Republicans do, then I'll treat them as a supporter of the GOP.
And yes, some people are truly bemused by that. But if they ditch the MAGA talking points and take off the MAGA hat then they might get a different response.
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It won't.
Because there's nothing to 'uncover' - they're releasing the ALREADY DISCREDITED text of an old, boring report from Donald Trump's last brain-blurt about the tired old RIOC.
Why do I have to explain this again and again and again?
Unless you are referring to something else? Isn't this the very same report!???
Durham report vs REALITY
Please watch this interview with CIA Russia specialist Michael Van Landingham. I have timed it to the spot where he answers 2 VITAL questions:
1: Was Landingham's report influenced by the Steele Dossier?
2: Did the report claim the Russians hacked voting systems?
NEWSFLASH: Steele is M16 - and for some reason felt compelled to rush his dossier out to the public.Michael Van Landingham is CIA, highly qualified, highly disciplined, and did his own homework and released it when ready. Sure - there was some pressure to release it in a fairly short amount of time. That can happen in intelligence. But his claims were measured according to the data.
He did his own homework, and the answers to the above questions are:
1: No
2: No
The whole foundation of the Durham report is a house of cards - and this re-releasing of it will blow over the way it did the first time. Others have already evaluated it - and it is beyond a joke. It's out there with "The moon landing was faked."
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In this thread, which is the only one that is relevant right now, you are denigrating Democrats. You can't cat-call one side and then act surprised if someone points out that your case is supporting the opposition.
You want to play both sides of the field? Then argue both sides of the argument.
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Great to hear!
Yeah - the term 'stolen' is typical of political drama.
But influenced? That's undeniable. That happened. That's a FACT!
Indeed, even though it is hard to measure, hacking and leaking Hillary's emails at just the right time may have cost her the election.
Trump's "Stop the steal" is sadly inevitable given the American people gave someone with NPD a taste of real power. There was no way his NPD would let him hand over power willingly.
So where Hillary had some solid, publicly verifiable FACTS about her election being influenced - Trump had nothing.
And he incited violence at the Capitol, 5 people died, and the rest is history.
Oh - and with NPD - he decided those people that assaulted police officers and stormed the Capitol were all heroes. He promoted the Jan 06 song, and when he got into DELICIOUS power again - he immediately pardoned 1600 people of serious crimes.
So yeah - both parties are exactly the same!
Um, yeah, as I said.... both parties are exactly the same!
And all my pigs are well fed and ready to fly home for winter.
Of course she did. How sad that this is seen as somehow unique?
But Hillary never chanted "Stop the steal!"
Kamala never chanted "Stop the steal!"
Neither had Fox news repeating their utter LIES about these matters!
They had 'mainstream news' reporting FACTS instead.
Facts Trump is kicking and screaming over, because ... NPD.
Only one party did that, and incited the country to conspiracy theories that the majority of Republicans STILL believe today!
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So the ODNI has completed their investigation and is finished with disclosure?
And no you don't have to keep copy pasting the same thing over and over. In fact it would be appreciated if you didn't do that.
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Here's an interesting article on this topic:
substack.com
In sum, corroboration for the assertion that Putin developed a “clear preference” for Trump before the election included one item that was backdated and too early, one that was post-election and too late (and meaningless nonsense besides), and not one that was just right. If there’s such a thing as a no-hitter in intelligence, Brennan’s team was on the losing end of one in this ICA, which failed to produce one reliable fact supporting the idea of Putin “aspiring” to help Trump out of a “clear preference.”
In Brutal Document Release, the Russia Hoax is Finally Exposed
Official claim that Putin "aspired" to help Trump was based on four pieces of evidence, all bogus, even "ridiculous," according to long-suppressed report just released by DNI Tulsi Gabbard
substack.com
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Couple "stolen" with "hacked" and you have a perfect recipe to make people believe Russia changed vote tallies to help Trump win. Their choice of words was no accident.
No moreso than in any other election. From the DNI report:
Russia probably is using cyber means primarily to influence election by stealing campaign party data and leaking select items, and it is also using public propaganda. This fits an historical pattern of Russia using less sophisticated propaganda and information operations to influence US elections.
The assessment was that Russia was doing what Russia has always done to "interfere" in US elections; "using less sophisticated propaganda and information operations to influence US elections."
No doubt that was a factor. But then Clinton's infamous "basket of deplorable" probably didn't do her any favors either.
Actually, Clinton relied on quite a lot of dubious misinformation to make her claims of a STOLEN!!! election. I'd refer you to the article I linked in my last post. They pieced together a narrative that the intelligence community didn't even believe and then shouted it all over the media.
Sigh. Misinformation wins again.
How Many Died as a Result of Capitol Riot? - FactCheck.org
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol resulted in "almost 10 dead." Four people died that day, and five others -- all law enforcement officers -- died days, weeks and even months later. Here we lay out what is publicly known about the circumstances surrounding those...
www.factcheck.org
No, she just went on a media blitz tour telling anyone who would listen how Russia helped Trump steal the election and how Trump was an illegitimate President. Of course, not one word of that was true.
Kudos to Harris for actually conceding gracefully, which is, sadly, a rare thing these days.
You must be joking. Clinton had all of mainstream media repeating her lies. It's why more than 2/3 of Democrats were misled into believing that Russia had tampered with votes.
They absolutely did not.
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Actually, I'm pointing out what the Democrats did in 2016. But I can see why you would see that as "denigration", since it's not very flattering.
But you said that, "if someone denigrates the Democrats or their supporters and/or their policies and praises what the Republicans do, then I'll treat them as a supporter of the GOP. I then asked you, "So again, could you point out where I've "praise[d] what the Republicans do"?, and then, as you always do, you pivoted to, "You're denigrating Democrats!". But that's not what I asked. I asked if you could point out where I've praised what the Republicans do. But you can't because I haven't.
Again, since whataboutism is your MO, your arguments short-circuit when someone doesn't defend the other side. You don't know how else to respond, other than to PRETEND like I'm doing something I'm not.
I get this a lot.
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Who is that guy?Here's an interesting article on this topic:
In sum, corroboration for the assertion that Putin developed a “clear preference” for Trump before the election included one item that was backdated and too early, one that was post-election and too late (and meaningless nonsense besides), and not one that was just right. If there’s such a thing as a no-hitter in intelligence, Brennan’s team was on the losing end of one in this ICA, which failed to produce one reliable fact supporting the idea of Putin “aspiring” to help Trump out of a “clear preference.”In Brutal Document Release, the Russia Hoax is Finally Exposed
Official claim that Putin "aspired" to help Trump was based on four pieces of evidence, all bogus, even "ridiculous," according to long-suppressed report just released by DNI Tulsi Gabbard
You know - I've considered opening my substack. Anyone can.
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Oh man - I hear you. I've just been through all this SO BAD with another commentor that repeatedly and rather obnoxiously reverts to one line posts like...
"You don't know what I think." (Then you're a really bad communicator because we've been discussing this for weeks!) It was a pattern spread across months with that guy. It got so bad I had to hit the IGNORE button on that one.
But you're right. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's the Duck Dynasty and the guy in the Chewbacca Bikini!
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No - but so far they have not released ONE counter-factual.
If anything - there are a few subtle debates over how influential certain events were - but nothing overturns the events themselves.
Russia tried to swing the election Trump's way.
Depending on how important we think the Clinton Email's being released just at the wrong time for the Democrats - they may have in fact done so!
Also - I LOVE posting the Durham report critique - because the Durham report is what they are releasing the text of. And all I have to do is go to the Durham report wiki and YouTube and it's all been covered extensively by other agencies and journalists!
As in - YEARS ago!
You should know this.
People commenting here should know this.
But hey - if you want to pretend Gabbard and the DNI actually have something - by all means - find it. Post a paragraph or two! Let's have a look. Because banging on about the Steel Dossier and exaggerated untrue claims about what the Democrats said about hacked voting systems are all Durham had.
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