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Trumpenomics. Problem: l)l Tariffs will raise prices. Solution: Deregulate consumer safety protections to save manufacturers money.
Result: Unsafe food, unsafe products for what we used to pay for safe food and products.

If that doesn't work, replace inflation statisticians with puppets.
 

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Trumpenomics. Problem: l)l Tariffs will raise prices. Solution: Deregulate consumer safety protections to save manufacturers money.
Result: Unsafe food, unsafe products for what we used to pay for safe food and products.

If that doesn't work, replace inflation statisticians with puppets.
Not happening.
 
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Trumpenomics. Problem: l)l Tariffs will raise prices. Solution: Deregulate consumer safety protections to save manufacturers money.
Result: Unsafe food, unsafe products for what we used to pay for safe food and products.

If that doesn't work, replace inflation statisticians with puppets.
To be clear, do you believe that tariffs will result in major price increases? Obviously, that will be the case for coffee and chocolate.

It is not at all clear to me that the projected 2026 inflation rate of 3-4.5% (as measured by non-Trump folk), will be a disaster to anyone. The bottom line is that tariffs are a national sales tax on imported goods. Personally, I believe these will hurt US businesses much more than the average citizen. Many supplies needed for various businesses are imported.
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I do agree that the removal of safety protections is a very serious problem, but conflating the issue with inflation does exactly ZERO good.

Also, the changes to federal support of needed federal programs and personnel that serve us are clearly a much more serious issue.
 
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Trumpenomics. Problem: l)l Tariffs will raise prices. Solution: Deregulate consumer safety protections to save manufacturers money.
Result: Unsafe food, unsafe products for what we used to pay for safe food and products.

If that doesn't work, replace inflation statisticians with puppets.

Everything is upside down in American politics today.

Historically Democratic Party and liberals expressed opposition to certain trade agreements. In 1993, more Republicans than Democrats voted for NAFTA. In 2005, only 15 Democrats supported CAFTA.

Senator Sanders, who has previously opposed all trade agreements, now appears to support free trade like a globalist.

One reason for high inflation during President Biden's four years is that he maintained most of the tariffs implemented by President Trump. If President Biden had removed these tariffs, inflation might not have been as severe. Although President Biden is often seen as having moderate views, his stance on free trade was notably liberal.

My question to Democrats: Are you opposing these tariffs because you now support free-market capitalism, which conservatives have promoted for decades, or simply to oppose President Trump?
 
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DO YOU FAVOR A NATIONAL SALES TAX ON IMPORTED GOODS?

Isn't that really the tariff question? The government will collect taxes on foreign goods. This is NOT a huge issue for me. The policy may be wrong, but tariffs are NOT a huge tragedy.
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IMO, Democrats and other opponents of Trump's policies need to have laser focus on the true tragedies of the Trump administration. What comes to mind is a masked secret police force with orders to invade churches, schools and hospitals in order to arrest and detain anyone that even resembles a recent immigrant to them. This police force has the right to send ANYONE to detention centers without any due process. There is ZERO transparency with regard to these detention centers. It should be obvious that we should be concerned about conditions there and due process. There is ZERO reason to hide these camps from public scrutiny.
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JUST BTW, I SUPPORT
1) the building of detention centers.
2) with cause, detaining of many WITH DUE PROCESS, including immediate access to phones and lawyers, just as any other prisoner.
3) spending BILLIONS for the acceleration of detaining and the due process and deportation of many millions of undocumented with a violent criminal conviction, outstanding deportation order or those who have come in the past 5 years. And yes, many military lawyers should be re-assigned to be immigration judges, and many more should be trained.
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Everything is upside down in American politics today.

Historically Democratic Party and liberals expressed opposition to certain trade agreements. In 1993, more Republicans than Democrats voted for NAFTA. In 2005, only 15 Democrats supported CAFTA.

Senator Sanders, who has previously opposed all trade agreements, now appears to support free trade like a globalist.

One reason for high inflation during President Biden's four years is that he maintained most of the tariffs implemented by President Trump. If President Biden had removed these tariffs, inflation might not have been as severe. Although President Biden is often seen as having moderate views, his stance on free trade was notably liberal.

My question to Democrats: Are you opposing these tariffs because you now support free-market capitalism, which conservatives have promoted for decades, or simply to oppose President Trump?
Sanders and the left have supported protectionist tariffs for many decades. They lose ALL credibility when they oppose aluminum, steel, auto and other focused tariffs.

And yes, it is the Democrats who have opposed NAFTA and CAFTA (and NAFTA 2 under Trump 1).
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Trump SHOULD do a NAFTA 3 and take credit for the improvements over NAFTA 1 and NAFTA 2. That was supposed to happen in 2026. My hope is that it still happens.
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Trump believes in using tariffs to raise money, to get access to foreign markets (e.g. for cars and agriculture), and generally to make better deals for the US with many, many new trade arrangements.

It is not at all clear that the result will be bad for the US (or for Europe I might add). European consumers will like to get more US goods at lower prices.

Japan will increasingly bring its expertise to US auto factories and now to steel factories while giving US companies more access to their market. Don't worry about the increased cost of Japanese goods. That has been in control of the Japanese government for decades. They regulate the prices through subsides and taxation and then sell electronics to SF consumers cheaper then to Tokyo customers.
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THE BOTTOM LINE
is that rules-based regulated free market capitalism is by far the best system the world has even seen. And, yes, the system since WWII has favored the US and allow us to be the giant economic power that we are. Trump's policies may or may not give us a better future system. However, there may be much more competition in many countries than there has been for decades.

Of course, the biggest faults with what is happening is that Trump has been so awful in his methods that there will be lasting negative effects of countries looking to other trade alliances to protect themselves and their citizens. The most obvious effect will be from policies regard Canada. I don't believe that anything will restore the level of US sales bought in stores or restore the level of Canadian travel to the US. This type of unintended consequence is comparable to the ICE raids greatly reducing tax income because many immigrants will be afraid to file, and no, the reduced number of IRS agents will not help turn the tide. The action of such reduction will have its own negative effect on the amount of taxes collected,
 
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Trumpenomics. Problem: l)l Tariffs will raise prices.
Has not happened.
Solution: Deregulate consumer safety protections to save manufacturers money
Has not been suggested.
Result: Unsafe food, unsafe products for what we used to pay for safe food and products.
The sky is not falling
If that doesn't work, replace inflation statisticians with puppets.
Said no one - ever
 
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To be clear, do you believe that tariffs will result in major price increases? Obviously, that will be the case for coffee and chocolate.

It is not at all clear to me that the projected 2026 inflation rate of 3-4.5% (as measured by non-Trump folk), will be a disaster to anyone. The bottom line is that tariffs are a national sales tax on imported goods. Personally, I believe these will hurt US businesses much more than the average citizen. Many supplies needed for various businesses are imported.
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I do agree that the removal of safety protections is a very serious problem, but conflating the issue with inflation does exactly ZERO good.

Also, the changes to federal support of needed federal programs and personnel that serve us are clearly a much more serious issue.

I agree—it remains to be seen what impact these tariffs will have. The predicted 3–4.5% inflation rate is speculative, but not out of the question.

I agree- The topic of "safety" is unrelated to inflation or tariffs.

But that is the liberal and Democrats, they just can’t help themselves when they criticize President Trump. They argue over every issue, every statement from President Trump, and every tweet, but ultimately accomplish nothing constructive—just a jumble of words.
 
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You don't realize that when inspections stop, accidents happen? You don't realize that no inspections saves money--and jeopardizes lives?
Republican priorities: people are expendable, profits ain't.
 
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But that is the liberal and Democrats, they just can’t help themselves when they criticize President Trump. They argue over every issue, every statement from President Trump, and every tweet, but ultimately accomplish nothing constructive—just a jumble of words.
I am neither Democrat nor liberal but I can still recognize that "every issue, every statement from President Trump, and every tweet" is basically lie, exaggeration or pure fiction.
 
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You don't realize that when inspections stop, accidents happen? You don't realize that no inspections saves money--and jeopardizes lives?
Republican priorities: people are expendable, profits ain't.
Who is stopping inspections?
 
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You do know that he fired the commissioner for labour statistics because he didn't like the employment figures?
Yeah, and he punches kitties and kicks nun's.

It obviously has to be him - it cannot possible be the Biden appointee.

There's no use in quoting the White House reasons for his dismissal to you, because nothing they say is true. Orwell would be proud
 
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Yeah, and he punches kitties and kicks nun's.

It obviously has to be him - it cannot possible be the Biden appointee.

There's no use in quoting the White House reasons for his dismissal to you, because nothing they say is true. Orwell would be proud
There is nothing even a Biden appointee could have don in that position to influence the numbers,
that is until the Trump appointee gets in.
Then nothing can be trusted. We can know that for sure.
 
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Yeah, and he punches kitties and kicks nun's.
Kicks nun's what?

Take your fingers out of your ears and remove the MAGA blinkers, for heaven's sake. This is the mosr egregious example of shooting the messenger that I can recall.
 
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Defunding the FDA takes away the revenue needed to perform inspections.
Funny how there is absolutely no mention of the FDA in this entire thread until you mentioned it.
 
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Yeah, and he punches kitties and kicks nun's.
I'm against one of those things, the other I don't care.
It obviously has to be him - it cannot possible be the Biden appointee.
head of the BLS is not a partisan position. It doesn't typically change when a new president takes over. The ousted holder of that office started only last year because the person appointed by Trump was still on the job. (And he is disturbed by the firing of his successor.)
There's no use in quoting the White House reasons for his dismissal to you, because nothing they say is true. Orwell would be proud
MINITRUTH would be proud of the work the WH press office does.
 
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Funny how there is absolutely no mention of the FDA in this entire thread until you mentioned it.

FDA in Crisis: How Trump Administration Downsizing Is Slowing Medical Innovation and Endangering Public Health​


If food and drug prices don't increase after the big (boneheaded?) bill act--I'm trying to think of a more accurate representation of the act that maintains the BBB motif--there will be a reason.

The logical reason if prices remain stable will be the costs saved by less inspections (not considering the lives endangered and lost by those very same reduced inspections.) Trump will claim credit for the stable prices (not the increased deaths and illnesses, which he will of course blame on Obama? Biden? )
 
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Kicks nun's what?

Take your fingers out of your ears and remove the MAGA blinkers, for heaven's sake. This is the mosr egregious example of shooting the messenger that I can recall.
Nah…. Wait. Next week there will be more
 
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