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Proof that The Seven Trumpets and Seven Bowls of Revelation are Happening Concurrently

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In a previous thread of mine (More Proof of a Post-Tribulation Rapture [Post #1]) I not only demonstrated how the seventh trumpet and bowl are concurrent events, but I also used that information to prove that the rapture of believers takes place at the end of The Great Tribulation--when Jesus returns! While it was helpful in piecing together some of the order of end-time events, I figured this connection wouldn't be complete unless I also demonstrated that the previous six trumpets and bowls are connected concurrently, as well.

With the previous thread having our baseline logic for connecting the seventh trumpet and bowl, it makes sense then that we should examine their previous counterparts with an open mind that they, too, may also be concurrent! It helps to view these visions side-by-side while examining their text, so below I created a table doing just that. Additionally, to make things easier, I even included some highlights for emphasis on important areas.

Here, we'll see that the red text shows us how these visions are connected, while the blue text highlights areas that seem contradictory.

Trumpets​
Bowls​
“The seventh angel sounded his trumpet,… Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a severe hailstorm.– Revelation 11:15,19​
“The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and out of the temple came a loud voice from the throne, saying, “It is done!” Then there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder and a severe earthquake… From the sky huge hailstones, each weighing about a hundred pounds, fell on people.” – Revelation 16:17-18,21​
“The sixth angel sounded his trumpet, and I heard a voice coming from the four horns of the golden altar that is before God. It said to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, ‘Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates.’ And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were released to kill a third of mankind.– Revelation 9:13-15​
“The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the East. Then I saw three impure spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. They are demonic spirits that perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty. – Revelation 16:12-14​
“The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and… The sun and sky were darkenedlocusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. They were not allowed to kill them but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes.” – Revelation 9:1-5​
“The fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and its kingdom was plunged into darkness. People gnawed their tongues in agony…” – Revelation 16:10​
“The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night.” – Revelation 8:12​
“The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and the sun was allowed to scorch people with fire.” – Revelation 16:8​
“The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star… fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of waterA third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter.” – Revelation 8:10-11​
“The third angel poured out his bowl on the rivers and springs of water, and they became blood. – Revelation 16:4​
“The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed. – Revelation 8:8-9​
“The second angel poured out his bowl on the sea, and it turned into blood like that of a dead person, and every living thing in the sea died. – Revelation 16:3​
“The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down on the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up. – Revelation 8:7​
“The first angel went and poured out his bowl on the land, and ugly, festering sores broke out on the people who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image.” – Revelation 16:2​


Understandably, most people separate these judgements as being unrelated to one another due to the details highlighted in blue. But what if the blue text has a different purpose than just highlighting details that seem contradictory to each other when these visions are cross-analyzed?

If you look back at the fifth judgment in the series, we learn that when we line these visions up sequentially, the details of one are there to compliment the other. Which, in turn, creates a fuller picture to demonstrate what's happening. With this in mind, it would make sense then to determine that the reason why there is a difference of accounts between these visions is because it's there to emphasize a difference of perspective! This is the only logical reason as to why these visions would be concurrent yet expound on contrasting details.

But what perspective would that be, and what about the fact that the trumpets use the term "a third" to describe the effects of the plagues while the bowls describe their effect to the complete/full extent?

The answer to both of these questions can be found in Revelation 12:7–9,4a, which reads:

"Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down — that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him… Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth."

Here, we see that the term “a third” is used to describe the angels who followed Satan and fought against God’s divine will. So, with this in mind, when we see the same terminology used across the trumpets, what we’re being told is that these judgments are only affecting the wicked, while in contrast, God’s people are protected!

With this passage providing both biblical and logical reasoning as to how these visions are sequentially concurrent yet display signs that they're disjoint in nature, we learn that the trumpets show us the end-time plagues (i.e., God's wrath) from the perspective of the righteous, while the bowls show it to us from the perspective of the wicked.

As a result, we also learn that the bowls of God's wrath represent (or depict) God’s judgment on the wicked, while the trumpets represent (or depict) God’s divine protection for His people! Thus, keeping with scripture that states:

"For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ." - 1 Thessalonians 5:9



While I plan on making another thread that details what these plague will look like as they unfold, I'm not sure how long it will take before I will be able to get to that. But, if you're interested to know it right now, you can read about it in my article: The Great Tribulation and The Day of The Lord. Just scroll down to the ascending view of the trumpets and bowls, and you can start reading from there!
 
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In a previous thread of mine (More Proof of a Post-Tribulation Rapture [Post #1]) I not only demonstrated how the seventh trumpet and bowl are concurrent events, but I also used that information to prove that the rapture of believers takes place at the end of The Great Tribulation--when Jesus returns! While it was helpful in piecing together some of the order of end-time events, I figured this connection wouldn't be complete unless I also demonstrated that the previous six trumpets and bowls are connected concurrently, as well.

With the previous thread having our baseline logic for connecting the seventh trumpet and bowl, it makes sense then that we should examine their previous counterparts with an open mind that they, too, may also be concurrent! It helps to view these visions side-by-side while examining their text, so below I created a table doing just that. Additionally, to make things easier, I even included some highlights for emphasis on important areas.

Here, we'll see that the red text shows us how these visions are connected, while the blue text highlights areas that seem contradictory.

Trumpets​
Bowls​
“The seventh angel sounded his trumpet,… Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a severe hailstorm.– Revelation 11:15,19​
“The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and out of the temple came a loud voice from the throne, saying, “It is done!” Then there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder and a severe earthquake… From the sky huge hailstones, each weighing about a hundred pounds, fell on people.” – Revelation 16:17-18,21​
“The sixth angel sounded his trumpet, and I heard a voice coming from the four horns of the golden altar that is before God. It said to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, ‘Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates.’ And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were released to kill a third of mankind.– Revelation 9:13-15​
“The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the East. Then I saw three impure spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. They are demonic spirits that perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty. – Revelation 16:12-14​
“The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and… The sun and sky were darkenedlocusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. They were not allowed to kill them but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes.” – Revelation 9:1-5​
“The fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and its kingdom was plunged into darkness. People gnawed their tongues in agony…” – Revelation 16:10​
“The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night.” – Revelation 8:12​
“The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and the sun was allowed to scorch people with fire.” – Revelation 16:8​
“The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star… fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of waterA third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter.” – Revelation 8:10-11​
“The third angel poured out his bowl on the rivers and springs of water, and they became blood. – Revelation 16:4​
“The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed. – Revelation 8:8-9​
“The second angel poured out his bowl on the sea, and it turned into blood like that of a dead person, and every living thing in the sea died. – Revelation 16:3​
“The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down on the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up. – Revelation 8:7​
“The first angel went and poured out his bowl on the land, and ugly, festering sores broke out on the people who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image.” – Revelation 16:2​


Understandably, most people separate these judgements as being unrelated to one another due to the details highlighted in blue. But what if the blue text has a different purpose than just highlighting details that seem contradictory to each other when these visions are cross-analyzed?

If you look back at the fifth judgment in the series, we learn that when we line these visions up sequentially, the details of one are there to compliment the other. Which, in turn, creates a fuller picture to demonstrate what's happening. With this in mind, it would make sense then to determine that the reason why there is a difference of accounts between these visions is because it's there to emphasize a difference of perspective! This is the only logical reason as to why these visions would be concurrent yet expound on contrasting details.

But what perspective would that be, and what about the fact that the trumpets use the term "a third" to describe the effects of the plagues while the bowls describe their effect to the complete/full extent?

The answer to both of these questions can be found in Revelation 12:7–9,4a, which reads:



Here, we see that the term “a third” is used to describe the angels who followed Satan and fought against God’s divine will. So, with this in mind, when we see the same terminology used across the trumpets, what we’re being told is that these judgments are only affecting the wicked, while in contrast, God’s people are protected!

With this passage providing both biblical and logical reasoning as to how these visions are sequentially concurrent yet display signs that they're disjoint in nature, we learn that the trumpets show us the end-time plagues (i.e., God's wrath) from the perspective of the righteous, while the bowls show it to us from the perspective of the wicked.

As a result, we also learn that the bowls of God's wrath represent (or depict) God’s judgment on the wicked, while the trumpets represent (or depict) God’s divine protection for His people! Thus, keeping with scripture that states:
Well done. I agree with this. I have seen the seals, trumpets and vials as all being parallel for a long time now, but I like how you put this together to explain how and why that is the case. When people try to have the trumpets all following the seventh seal and the vials all following the seventh trumpet, it makes nonsense out of the book. Look at what it says in Revelation 11:15-18 about the seventh trumpet. When it sounds the kingdom(s) of the world become the kingdom(s) of the Father and Son and it's time to destroy those who destroy the earth, judge the dead and reward God's people. Clearly, the seventh trumpet is climactic and there is no time for the vials or anything else to happen afterwards.

The seventh and last trumpet will sound at the end of age when Jesus comes at which point the dead will be raised and we all are changed to put on bodily immortality (1 Cor 15:50-54) and He will destroy those who destroy the earth (Matt 24:35-39, 2 Thess 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-12, Rev 19:11-21) and He will judge the dead (unbelievers) and reward believers (Matthew 25:31-46).
 
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The seventh trumpet announces the third woe to the inhabitants of the earth, Revelation 8:13. What is the third woe ?
The seventh trumpet is equivalent to the third woe (5th trumpet = 1st woe, 6th trumpet = 2nd woe) and what will happen at the seventh trumpet/third woe is described in Revelation 11:15-18.
 
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The seventh trumpet announces the third woe to the inhabitants of the earth, Revelation 8:13. What is the third woe ?

While I appreciate your question, I would prefer to stay on the topic of this thread.
 
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Well done. I agree with this. I have seen the seals, trumpets and vials as all being parallel for a long time now, but I like how you put this together to explain how and why that is the case. When people try to have the trumpets all following the seventh seal and the vials all following the seventh trumpet, it makes nonsense out of the book. Look at what it says in Revelation 11:15-18 about the seventh trumpet. When it sounds the kingdom(s) of the world become the kingdom(s) of the Father and Son and it's time to destroy those who destroy the earth, judge the dead and reward God's people. Clearly, the seventh trumpet is climactic and there is no time for the vials or anything else to happen afterwards.

The seventh and last trumpet will sound at the end of age when Jesus comes at which point the dead will be raised and we all are changed to put on bodily immortality (1 Cor 15:50-54) and He will destroy those who destroy the earth (Matt 24:35-39, 2 Thess 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-12, Rev 19:11-21) and He will judge the dead (unbelievers) and reward believers (Matthew 25:31-46).

Thanks for you're comment. I just want to clarify that this post only covers the connection between the trumpets and the bowls of Revelation. Although, I will say there is some overlap with the seals of Revelation. While I also plan on making a post explaining those, if you're interested your can read my other article, What Are the Seven Seals of Revelation?, where I go over their correlation to Jesus' words about the end-times.

Additionally, if you'd like to know exactly how the seals, trumpets and bowls line up with each other as they relate to the end-times, here is the timeline:

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While I appreciate your question, I would prefer to stay on the topic of this thread.
Garrett, you referred to the seventh trumpet. The seventh trumpet announces the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth, which is Satan cast down to earth knowing that he has but a short time left, Revelation 12:12.

That short time is the time, times, half time of Revelation 12:14.

The vials of God's wrath will take place during that time, times, half time.
 
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I initially thought it was weird that you started with the 7th trumpet and 7th bowl. I understand now. There is concurrence at the 7th trumpet and 7th bowl. It's better to make your case there.

I only get partial concurrence overall.

I simply asked what's going on in the real world during seal 7: a nuclear war followed a few years later by the mark of the beast.

The trumpets cover the entire tribulation period. The bowls cover the mark period. That means trumpets 1 to 4 play out before mark. Trumpets 5 to 7 and bowls 1 to 7 play out after the mark. Hence, partial concurrence.

Notice that trumpet #5 and bowl #1 target people with the mark.
 
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Additionally, if you'd like to know exactly how the seals, trumpets and bowls line up with each other as they relate to the end-times, here is the timeline:

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I appreciate the effort you made in creating the timeline chart. It is an over simplification though and as such is not totally correct. Even as it, you have a few things though that need to be fixed.

1. The seventh seal is opened not at the end, but when the trumpets begin, Revelation 8:1.

2. The 6th seal is near the end, but not at the exact end. It takes place 45 days before the exact end.

3. Also maybe you should consider coloring the horses.

Here a chart that I made of the seals.

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Garrett, if you numbered the trumpets and bowls, you would see where the problems are the way your chart currently is.

Here is a chart I made of the trumpets and seven vials of God's wrath.


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Garrett, you referred to the seventh trumpet. The seventh trumpet announces the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth, which is Satan cast down to earth knowing that he has but a short time left, Revelation 12:12.

That short time is the time, times, half time of Revelation 12:14.

The vials of God's wrath will take place during that time, times, half time.

The verse you quoted comes from the passage dealing with The Woman and The Dragon, and it reads:

"Therefore rejoice, you heavens
and you who dwell in them!
But woe to the earth and the sea,
because the devil has gone down to you!
He is filled with fury,
because he knows that his time is short."

It appears that you believe end-time events unfold in the chronological order they're written in Revelation. We know this to be incorrect. I gave this as an example in another post ([Post # 8] in More Proof of a Post-Tribulation Rapture), but it reads:

"As an example, in Revelation 7 we're told of a great multitude of people in Heaven wearing white robes who "came out of the Great Tribulation." Yet, we also know that the Great Tribulation is concluded with the pouring out of the 7th bowl, which is seen in Revelation 16."

While it is incorrect that "the seventh trumpet announces the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth...," you are right that the "short time" spoken about in Revelation 12:12 is synonymous with the 3 and 1/2 year Great Tribulation where God's wrath is poured out on the wicked!

Ultimately the 3 woe's are not what most people think they are, and are unrelated to this topic. It is my preference not to derail too much from the overall topic of this thread.
 
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The seventh trumpet is equivalent to the third woe (5th trumpet = 1st woe, 6th trumpet = 2nd woe) and what will happen at the seventh trumpet/third woe is described in Revelation 11:15-18.
What is described in Revelation 11:15-18 is the reaction in heaven when the seventh angel sounds. There will be rejoicing as it says in Revelation 12:12.

Why ? Because the mystery of God found in Revelation 10:7 will be finished in the days of the 7th angel. Which the mystery of God, as he has declared to his servants the prophets IS to bring an end to Satan's power and mystical kingdom of Babylon the great.



The seventh angel sounding announces the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth, Revelation 8:13.

The third woe to the inhabiters of the earth is Satan being cast down from the second heaven to earth, in Revelation 12:12.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

So the mystery of God found in Revelation 10:7 to be finished when the 7 angel sounds is to bring an end to Satan's power and mystical kingdom of Babylon the great.
 
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It appears that you believe end-time events unfold in the chronological order they're written in Revelation. We know this to be incorrect.
I believe events in Revelation takes place either in the first half of the 7 years or in the second half of the 7 years. But those time frames are not presented in textual order. I think that is what you meant.

There are 7 time frames given in Revelation. (not including the 1000 year millennium in Revelation 20)
42 months - Revelation 11:2
42 months - Revelation 13:5
time, times, half time - Revelation 12:14
1260 days - Revelation 12:6
1260 days - Revelation 11:3
3 1/2 days - Revelation 11:11
5 months - Revelation 9:10
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I initially thought it was weird that you started with the 7th trumpet and 7th bowl. I understand now. There is concurrence at the 7th trumpet and 7th bowl. It's better to make your case there.

I only get partial concurrence overall.

I simply asked what's going on in the real world during seal 7: a nuclear war followed a few years later by the mark of the beast.

The trumpets cover the entire tribulation period. The bowls cover the mark period. That means trumpets 1 to 4 play out before mark. Trumpets 5 to 7 and bowls 1 to 7 play out after the mark. Hence, partial concurrence.

Notice that trumpet #5 and bowl #1 target people with the mark.

I did this because it's easier to see the connection between the trumpets and the bowls if they're cross-analyzed in descending order. After seeing the clear connection between the seventh trumpet and bowl, distinctions must be made to point out similarities and differences. From there we must use logic and reasoning to find out why these passages share a similar theme when cross-analyzed with their counterparts yet expound on different details. The only answer that makes sense and is backed up biblically, is that each sequential vision is referencing the same event, but they're being seen from different perspectives.



The seals are different from the trumpets and bowls in that they give us a general overview of the timeline of end-time events. While I would prefer not to derail too much, I can answer your question rather simply. For us to understand what's happening in the seventh seal, we must first ask ourselves what's happening in the sixth. The answer can be found in the following table:

Jesus' Words​
Revelation's Sixth Seal​
Immediately after the distress of those days ‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’ ‘Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.’ – Matthew 24:29-30​
“I watched as he opened the sixth seal… The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. They called to the mountains and the rocks, ‘Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?’ – Revelation 6:12-13, 15-17​

When we compare Jesus' words to the sixth seal, we see that these passages are one-in-the-same. As we can see, both of these passages tell us that:
  1. The Lord has returned to earth every eye will see him.
  2. The observable universe is practically destroyed upon his return.

Now, if the sixth seal depicts Jesus' return to earth why then are we told "...there was silence in heaven for about half an hour... when he opened the seventh seal?" The reason is because scripture teaches us that when Jesus returns to earth he will be accompanied by all the heavenly angels! This teaching is found in Matthew 25:31, which reads:

"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne."



I understand what you're saying, but I simply disagree that the concurrence factor begins with the mention of the mark of the beast. Rather, if the concurrence factor is as it's depicted in my first post on this thread then we learn that the mark of the beast is in place from the beginning of the plagues and is seen throughout The Great Tribulation.
 
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When we compare Jesus' words to the sixth seal, we see that these passages are one-in-the-same. As we can see, both of these passages tell us that:
  1. The Lord has returned to earth every eye will see him.
  2. The observable universe is practically destroyed upon his return.
Hi Garrett, you quoted Matthew 24:29-30. The sixth seal event will feature....

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

What the world will see when the universe is parted like a scroll is Jesus - sickle in hand (Revelation 14:14).



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I appreciate the effort you made in creating the timeline chart. It is an over simplification though and as such is not totally correct. Even as it, you have a few things though that need to be fixed.

1. The seventh seal is opened not at the end, but when the trumpets begin, Revelation 8:1.

2. The 6th seal is near the end, but not at the exact end. It takes place 45 days before the exact end.

3. Also maybe you should consider coloring the horses.

Here a chart that I made of the seals.

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The first two points you made were actually answered in my previous post (post #14) responding to Matt5. If you read it, you'll realize that I have its order correctly displayed in my timeline. Additionally, it's one thing to have details overlap, but to say the seventh seal comes before the sixth seal would be grossly incorrect--they're numbered for a reason. The same thing goes for your placement of the seventh trumpet before the sixth trumpet.

I created the timeline using the free web version of Microsoft Visio, which is why the icons are simple and lack color. Nevertheless, it's very helpful in getting my point across to viewers/readers.



In response to your point in your post #10, which reads:

Garrett, if you numbered the trumpets and bowls, you would see where the problems are the way your chart currently is.

The trumpets and bowls in my chart don't need to be numbered because each categorical set of visions is implied to be sequential. This is why when people look at it, they are able automatically recognize which trumpet/bowl they reference by what order they appear on the timeline.



In response to to your point in your post #13, which reads:

I believe events in Revelation takes place either in the first half of the 7 years or in the second half of the 7 years. But those time frames are not presented in textual order. I think that is what you meant.

Nevermind, my idea that you believed the order of end-time events unfolded in the order they're mentioned in Revelation was incorrect. We simply have a different way of piecing together that order.
 
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Additionally, it's one thing to have details overlap, but to say the seventh seal comes before the sixth seal would be grossly incorrect--they're numbered for a reason.
I am not saying the seventh seal was opened before the other six seals were opened.

I am saying that when Jesus opened the seventh seal in Revelation 8:1, it revealed that there would be seven trumpet plagues take place.

So the opening of the seventh seal cannot be at the end of the seven years. And the seven trumpet plagues are not after the seven years.

Move the 7th seal
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to be before the7 trumpets.
 
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I created the timeline using the free web version of Microsoft Visio, which is why the icons are simple and lack color. Nevertheless, it's very helpful in getting my point across to viewers/readers.
Garrett, I use Corel Paintshop Pro 2023 Ultimate. Available at Amazon, download, around $60.
 
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