Historic Poll Devastates Democrats: Worst Voter Approval Rating in 35 Years

Nithavela · Aug 4, 2025

Landon Caeli said:
So what do you want them to do?

While it would be nice if they could get back relevancy by developing and endorsing government actions that help their voting groups in their plights, I don't think that's how politics work today. In todays world, people vote for and against individuals. Since Trump already is a president that is very easy to dislike enough to "vote against", there's no point in making him appear less palatable. Instead, the democratic party should invest resources into pushing one of their numbers to become a leading figure that unites and energises their voter base on what they stand for, instead of on how well they attack Trump. A new Obama, if you will. The democratic party should have started this basically the day Biden won the 2020 election.

Now please don't ask me who that should be. I don't think Sanders or Cortez would be the right choice, but those are the only two that spring to my mind. And it HAS to be someone everyday people know without looking up wikipedia.

ozso · Aug 4, 2025

Nithavela said:
While it would be nice if they could get back relevancy by developing and endorsing government actions that help their voting groups in their plights, I don't think that's how politics work today. In todays world, people vote for and against individuals. Since Trump already is a president that is very easy to dislike enough to "vote against", there's no point in making him appear less palatable. Instead, the democratic party should invest resources into pushing one of their numbers to become a leading figure that unites and energises their voter base on what they stand for, instead of on how well they attack Trump. A new Obama, if you will. The democratic party should have started this basically the day Biden won the 2020 election.

Now please don't ask me who that should be. I don't think Sanders or Cortez would be the right choice, but those are the only two that spring to my mind. And it HAS to be someone everyday people know without looking up wikipedia.

As I recall Obama started off as relatively unknown to most. When he first started becoming noticeable, it was like "wow, who is this guy?!".

Nithavela · Aug 4, 2025

ozso said:
As I recall Obama started off as relatively unknown to most. When he first started becoming noticeable, it was like "wow, who is this guy?!".

Absolutely, but his rise started about 4 years before the election where he became POTUS, so it is beyond high time that someone new appears.

Sadly, it's my impression that in the democratic party, it's not so much about who can energise the voters and actually win the election and more about who is "next in line" (meaning, who in the opinion of the DNC has served the democratic party for long and well enough to be rewarded with a shot at the presidency). They seem to believe that people will automatically default to whoever they put on the ballot when the GOP candidate is disliked enough. That kind of worked in 2020, but failed in the elections before and after that, and I wouldn't bank on it working again.

ozso · Aug 4, 2025

Nithavela said:
Absolutely, but his rise started about 4 years before the election where he became POTUS, so it is beyond high time that someone new appears.

Sadly, it's my impression that in the democratic party, it's not so much about who can energise the voters and actually win the election and more about who is "next in line" (meaning, who in the opinion of the DNC has served the democratic party for long and well enough to be rewarded with a shot at the presidency). They seem to believe that people will automatically default to whoever they put on the ballot when the GOP candidate is disliked enough. That kind of worked in 2020, but failed in the elections before and after that, and I wouldn't bank on it working again.

It'll be interesting to see how it turns out. And whether the people want to stick with the type of administration they have, or if they want a change. But whatever. No president has really affected my life much, and probably most Americans have experienced the same. They wake up, go to work, and come home the same as always for the most part.

Nithavela · Aug 4, 2025

ozso said:
It'll be interesting to see how it turns out. And whether the people want to stick with the type of administration they have, or if they want a change. But whatever. No president has really affected my life much, and probably most Americans have experienced the same. They wake up, go to work, and come home the same as always for the most part.

2028 is still a long time away. Nobody can predict what will happen until then. Perhaps there will be a new Obama. Perhaps there will be another international crisis. Will Trump run again? Will Trump even be able to finish his term? (I'm not going to jump on the "dementia" bandwagon, but at Trump's age, that is a real concern). If Trump doesn't run again, all that attacking Trump will have been doubly useless.

But if the democratic party doesn't lay the groundworks for the 2028 election now, they will need another real crisis like a collapse of the economy or the covid 19 pandemic to make people want change hard enough to vote against the GOP.

BPPLEE · Aug 4, 2025

Nithavela said:
2028 is still a long time away. Nobody can predict what will happen until then. Perhaps there will be a new Obama. Perhaps there will be another international crisis. Will Trump run again? Will Trump even be able to finish his term? (I'm not going to jump on the "dementia" bandwagon, but at Trump's age, that is a real concern). If Trump doesn't run again, all that attacking Trump will have been doubly useless.

But if the democratic party doesn't lay the groundworks for the 2028 election now, they will need another real crisis like a collapse of the economy or the covid 19 pandemic to make people want change hard enough to vote against the GOP.

Trump can’t run for president again

Nithavela · Aug 4, 2025

BPPLEE said:
Trump can’t run for president again

Some of his followers seems to be of a different opinion.

ozso · Aug 4, 2025

Nithavela said:
2028 is still a long time away. Nobody can predict what will happen until then. Perhaps there will be a new Obama. Perhaps there will be another international crisis. Will Trump run again? Will Trump even be able to finish his term? (I'm not going to jump on the "dementia" bandwagon, but at Trump's age, that is a real concern). If Trump doesn't run again, all that attacking Trump will have been doubly useless.

But if the democratic party doesn't lay the groundworks for the 2028 election now, they will need another real crisis like a collapse of the economy or the covid 19 pandemic to make people want change hard enough to vote against the GOP.

I agree with that. I think Covid played a major factor in 2020. I'm pretty sure two major GOP frontrunners in 28 will be Vance and DeSantis. I won't be the least bit surprised if Harris is a DNC frontrunner. Trump will be out. But whoever he endorses as his successor will probably be very persuasive.

ozso · Aug 4, 2025

Nithavela said:
Some of his followers seems to be of a different opinion.

Trump's case is unique in that he'll have only served one term as the 47th President. Maybe that can be used to create a loophole in the 22nd amendment.

DaisyDay · Aug 4, 2025

BPPLEE said:
Trump can’t run for president again

User Clip: Trump: "In four years, You don't have to vote again. We'll have it fixed so good. You're not going to have to vote."

Trump: "In four years, You don't have to vote again. We'll have it fixed so good. You're not going to have to vote."

www.c-span.org

Nithavela · Aug 4, 2025

ozso said:
Trump's case is unique in that he'll have only served one term as the 47th President. Maybe that can be used to create a loophole in the 22nd amendment.

He does have a sympathetic supreme court.

I don't think he should run on the basis of his age alone. But that is not a legal hurdle.

ozso · Aug 4, 2025

Nithavela said:
He does have a sympathetic supreme court.

I don't think he should run on the basis of his age alone. But that is not a legal hurdle.

I don't think he plans to. And that's why he's going full force double time on getting things done.

Pommer · Aug 4, 2025

Nithavela said:
He does have a sympathetic supreme court.

At best, 2-7 on SCOTUS invalidating a ratified Constitutional Amendment.

Nithavela said:
I don't think he should run on the basis of his age alone. But that is not a legal hurdle.

Ideally IQ should be higher than chronological age In years.

JSRG · Aug 4, 2025

DaisyDay said:
User Clip: Trump: "In four years, You don't have to vote again. We'll have it fixed so good. You're not going to have to vote."

Trump: "In four years, You don't have to vote again. We'll have it fixed so good. You're not going to have to vote."

www.c-span.org

As is well explained here, by someone who (as one can see if they read what I'm quoting) does not like Trump at all, that much-freaked-out-about clip is taken out of context:

For example, there was a recent massive freakout when Trump told a crowd, “Get out and vote! Just this time – you won’t have to do it any more.” Vice-President Harris and ex-Republican Adam Schiff both told audiences that Trump was announcing the permanent end of democracy if he won, which is just dishonest partisan paintball, but then a bunch of “respectable” media sources followed suit. They were grossly distorting the comments, and either they were doing so deliberately, or they were too grossly irresponsible to watch the 90 seconds of surrounding footage to get the context. I watched the tape, so I’ll tell you the context.

Trump was talking, for the minute leading up to this, about how the Democrats "cheat," how they engage in massive voter fraud to run up the score, and how they fight voter ID because they want to facilitate that fraud. He says this means that he can only win if his victory is so big that it's "too big to rig." So he has to get absolutely everybody to vote, it has to be an absolute landslide so the Democrats can't cheat. Once in office, he promises to fix the cheating so that Republicans no longer need to win by such massive margins and low-propensity voters can go back to staying home most times. Therefore "you won't have to vote again."

This is not, in any way, a promise to abolish democratic governance in the United States, and it only sounds remotely like that because most media outlets are deleting all that context! The Guardian article, instead of explaining this, is 100% reactions from other people who very obviously did not watch the 90 seconds leading up to the quote!

The most mind-boggling part of all this is that what Trump actually said is still really really bad! In reality, although some Democrats cheat (and some Republicans cheat), they very rarely cheat in the way Trump describes here, and the impact on the final result is nothing like what Trump suggests. He is, once again, setting up his followers to refuse to accept the democratic legitimacy of a free and fair election that they will very plausibly lose, with predictably terrible consequences for democracy!

But, instead of telling that true story about what Trump said, media has somehow transmuted it into a more sensational yet completely and obviously false story about what Trump said!

This happens all the dang time with Trump. I was already complaining about it on De Civ in 2017. Voters have wised up. They no longer believe what the media reports about Trump, and they are wise not to.

That’s unfortunate, though, because Trump is actually a bad dude, and, when he does actual bad things, like January 6, voters no longer believe it’s real.

GoldenBoy89 · Aug 5, 2025

Landon Caeli said:
I have a hard time imagining what that entails. I know I've seen protesters on the highway overpasses doing demonstrations, and politicians in their respective positions vote against everything Donald Trump, so going further, in my perspective, means physical fighting.

If physical confrontation cannot be ruled out by the neo-democrats, then.....The neo-democrats should be expelled from the party IMO, on account of them being a threat to national stability.

...And politicians can indeed be expelled from the party.
Party discipline - Wikipedia Party discipline - Wikipedia

What I mean is a would be democratic leader needs to figure out what they stand for and just commit to that.

My problem with Harris and with most of the prominent democrats out there in recent years isn’t that they’re “too far left” or whatever, it’s that they don’t seem to stand for anything, really. Like… where has she been all these months while we’re here living in literal hell under this president? Enjoying her retirement.

I think she would have been a fine president and a lot of the problems we’re seeing now just wouldn’t exist with someone more sensible in charge but I don’t think she should be the one to lead the Democratic Party ideologically. We would have some stability for a few years but she doesn’t seem to have any sense of what the voters actually want. What democrats need is a Bernie Sanders but, young.

Akita Suggagaki · Aug 5, 2025

Landon Caeli said:
If you're saying that your own party is as bad as the Repubs, then you're the kind of person I really need to talk to.

Please tell me why you think that, and what kind of solutions need to happen

It is as if they both are addicted to argument, disagreement and polarity. There is no longer a middle ground of compromise or moderation.
If they cannot learn, if we all cannot learn to talk and discuss and LISTEN to each other there is no political hope.

Landon Caeli · Aug 5, 2025

Akita Suggagaki said:
It is as if they both are addicted to argument, disagreement and polarity. There is no longer a middle ground of compromise or moderation.
If they cannot learn, if we all cannot learn to talk and discuss and LISTEN to each other there is no political hope.

That, Sir, was an amazing post. Thank you, and I mean that in that I needed to hear that. It's something I have overlooked.

Akita Suggagaki · Aug 5, 2025

Landon Caeli said:
That, Sir, was an amazing post. Thank you, and I mean that in that I needed to hear that. It's something I have overlooked.

Thank you. Now there seems t be a need it seems to be disagree simply on the grounds of the other side making the point.
I am not much into history but I don't think this is not something too new or unusual.
But it certainly is the case now. I think we need to look for moderates and character even when they are not "our party".

But that is another problem maybe it is a crisis of character.
And we cannot even recognize it because our own character and values are so damaged.

A2SG · Aug 5, 2025

GoldenBoy89 said:
What democrats need is a Bernie Sanders but, young.

Part of me wonders if AOC could be that, at some point. I'm not entirely sure she's there yet, but she does seem to have the potential.

Unfortunately, there does seem to be a significant portion of the American voting public who will not vote for a woman as POTUS. Not sure if that will change anytime soon, but one can always hope.

-- A2SG, it's the stuff that springs eternal....

Landon Caeli · Aug 5, 2025

Akita Suggagaki said:
Thank you. Now there seems t be a need it seems to be disagree simply on the grounds of the other side making the point.
I am not much into history but I don't think this is not something too new or unusual.
But it certainly is the case now. I think we need to look for moderates and character even when they are not "our party".

But that is another problem maybe it is a crisis of character.
And we cannot even recognize it because our own character and values are so damaged.

I don't know why, the idea just seems to resonate to me for some reason. Maybe there's something more to it that needs to be looked at closer.

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