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They are two different things.

I know.

If you don’t know that by now I don’t know what to tell you.

It seems you’ve haven’t understood what I’m saying. I’ll try to explain as simply as I can.

Sympathy and empathy are two different thing, but both can exist together.

Here, I’ll let ai explain it to you. This is Google’s Gemini’s response:

Yes, sympathy and empathy can and often do exist together. While they are distinct concepts, they are closely related and can be seen as different stages or components of our emotional response to another person's situation.





Here's a breakdown of the key differences and how they can overlap:

  • Sympathy is generally defined as a feeling of concern, sorrow, or pity for someone else's misfortune. It's a feeling for the other person. When you feel sympathy, you recognize that they are suffering and you feel bad for them, but you don't necessarily share their emotions. A common example is sending a sympathy card to someone who has lost a loved one. You are expressing your care and sorrow for their loss, even if you haven't experienced a similar loss yourself.





  • Empathy is the ability to understand and share the feelings of another. It's a feeling with the other person. Empathy involves putting yourself in their shoes and vicariously experiencing their emotions. This can happen in two ways:
    • Cognitive empathy: Intellectually understanding another person's perspective and feelings without necessarily experiencing those feelings yourself.


    • Emotional empathy: Actually feeling a similar emotion to what the other person is feeling.


How they coexist​



Think of sympathy as the "first layer" of a caring response. It's the recognition of someone's pain and the feeling of concern for them. Empathy can then build on this foundation. For example:

  • You might first feel sympathy for a friend who is going through a difficult time at work. You feel bad for them and want to offer support.
  • Then, as they explain their situation, you might tap into empathy by recalling a similar experience you had. You begin to understand not just that they are sad, but why they are sad, and you feel a glimmer of that sadness yourself.
In this way, sympathy can be the initial motivator for action or connection, and empathy can deepen that connection by providing a richer, more profound understanding. It's also possible to feel sympathy for someone without being able to empathize, especially if their situation is completely foreign to your own experience. For instance, you can feel sympathy for a stranger in a news report, but you can't truly empathize with their specific circumstances.

Ultimately, while they are not the same thing, sympathy and empathy work together to form a comprehensive human response to the suffering and joy of others.
 
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No, we do not however much we may desire for that to be so.
We have video. We know what went on.
Okay, so?
So??? Really
No, they ,made it about "race"
You did in the post I quoted, even if other people also did it first.
No, they made it about "race".
As are the people committing genocide.
It is not about "race". Arabs living in Gaza, are still Arab,.
But again, this has nothing to do with the actual subject of this thread which seems to have been completely derailed (not just by you).
Right, then tell it to them.
 
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I know.



It seems you’ve haven’t understood what I’m saying. I’ll try to explain as simply as I can.

Sympathy and empathy are two different thing, but both can exist together.

Here, I’ll let ai explain it to you. This is Google’s Gemini’s response:

Yes, sympathy and empathy can and often do exist together. While they are distinct concepts, they are closely related and can be seen as different stages or components of our emotional response to another person's situation.





Here's a breakdown of the key differences and how they can overlap:

  • Sympathy is generally defined as a feeling of concern, sorrow, or pity for someone else's misfortune. It's a feeling for the other person. When you feel sympathy, you recognize that they are suffering and you feel bad for them, but you don't necessarily share their emotions. A common example is sending a sympathy card to someone who has lost a loved one. You are expressing your care and sorrow for their loss, even if you haven't experienced a similar loss yourself.





  • Empathy is the ability to understand and share the feelings of another. It's a feeling withthe other person. Empathy involves putting yourself in their shoes and vicariously experiencing their emotions. This can happen in two ways:
    • Cognitive empathy: Intellectually understanding another person's perspective and feelings without necessarily experiencing those feelings yourself.


    • Emotional empathy: Actually feeling a similar emotion to what the other person is feeling.


How they coexist​



Think of sympathy as the "first layer" of a caring response. It's the recognition of someone's pain and the feeling of concern for them. Empathy can then build on this foundation. For example:

  • You might first feel sympathy for a friend who is going through a difficult time at work. You feel bad for them and want to offer support.
  • Then, as they explain their situation, you might tap into empathy by recalling a similar experience you had. You begin to understand not just that they are sad, but why they are sad, and you feel a glimmer of that sadness yourself.
In this way, sympathy can be the initial motivator for action or connection, and empathy can deepen that connection by providing a richer, more profound understanding. It's also possible to feel sympathy for someone without being able to empathize, especially if their situation is completely foreign to your own experience. For instance, you can feel sympathy for a stranger in a news report, but you can't truly empathize with their specific circumstances.

Ultimately, while they are not the same thing, sympathy and empathy work together to form a comprehensive human response to the suffering and joy of others.
Your post here is interesting and well presented in light of the conversation.
We see some nuances in this particular situation. Hamas doing heinous crimes against women and children, well, entire families. They get videos of this. They take many hostages as well.
Sympathy, or Empathy here?
Israel responds in self defense, and to get back their people ( some just mere babes). Sympathize or empathize here???

Hamas refuses to give back hostages, refuse to surrender when losing the war.
Sympathize or Empathize here????

No matter the loss, still refuse to give up hostages. Sympathize or empathize here????

Gazans still support Hamas against Israel....Sympathize or empathize here?????

People hungry, being killed Sympathy or Empathy here?

Can people in this situation have true Empathy or sympathy for one set of events and not the other?
Which ones????Children being hurt intentionally??? Were first by Hamas.....Nothing there????
These are things that have occurred in succession.
If nothing there in the first case, Children being hurt in the second case is just bias.....not sympathy or empathy.
 
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We have video. We know what went on.
Link?
So??? Really
Yes, really. So what if you were not the first/only one?
No, they ,made it about "race"
They - whichever "they" you mean - may have, but you are doing that as well for whatever reason of your own.
No, they made it about "race".
And you continued that line of "thought". Why even deny it when the referenced post is still there?
It is not about "race". Arabs living in Gaza, are still Arab,.
Non sequitur.
Right, then tell it to them.
Why? Are you not one of them?
 
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It was on t.v.. look it up. Some were pretty grusome.. however, like 9/11. The media quit showing people jumping from the buildings. But at first they showed it, I seen those. I specifically recall a man falling and his tie lifting up. Which is interesting. These grusome events were skipped by the media, to not stir more rage.
Yes, really. So what if you were not the first/only one?
Because it is response to accusation that is why.
They - whichever "they" you mean - may have, but you are doing that as well for whatever reason of your own.

And you continued that line of "thought". Why even deny it when the referenced post is still there?
It was a Defense. You are doing the same with me you are doing to Israel. A race baiter accused, I defended. You accuse me???
Non sequitur.

Why? Are you not one of them?
Why not the race baiter? I gave a defense...
 
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What’s in front of my face is you trying to lay blame on the IDF for shooting civilians simply based on anecdotes.
And you are inventing reasons to give the IDF a pass for deliberately targeting kids; seemingly for kicks.
 
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What’s in front of my face is you trying to lay blame on the IDF for shooting civilians simply based on anecdotes.
Exactly. They blame the U.S. For all these evils, yet at the same time, they are coming here, and not leaving here, because of all the Issues of their own governments (their own people) are foisting on them. It is fake. It is the same thing with the Israel Palestinian issue.
What do you expect from people who say a man is a woman and vice versa. It is wacky thinking.
 
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I wouldn’t trust Al Jazeera as a reliable news source for this war. They are strongly suspected of being a propaganda wing for Hamas, and their news reporting is mixed.
Well, that's now your only remaining option, isn't it. Deny that it's happening. Look the other way. Ignore the deaths. Pretend that it's 'fake news'. The whole world is condemning this genocide. In all probability there have been over 100,000 innocent people killed, women and children included and you have turned away from them. You have averted your eyes and chosen to do absolutely nothing to help, including to even acknowledge their deaths.

Here's a 'fake photo' that you can deny exists. Heaven only knows how many bodies lie under that rubble.

gaza.jpg
 
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And you are inventing reasons to give the IDF a pass for deliberately targeting kids; seemingly for kicks.

It’s not an invented reason to dismiss an accusation based solely based on anecdotes. Courts do it all the time.
 
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Well, that's now your only remaining option, isn't it. Deny that it's happening. Look the other way. Ignore the deaths. Pretend that it's 'fake news'. The whole world is condemning this genocide. In all probability there have been over 100,000 innocent people killed, women and children included and you have turned away from them. You have averted your eyes and chosen to do absolutely nothing to help, including to even acknowledge their deaths.

Not taking a potential Hamas propaganda wing at its word isn’t denial. It’s called caution.

Here's a 'fake photo' that you can deny exists. Heaven only knows how many bodies lie under that rubble.

View attachment 367996

You can thank Hamas for all the destruction. They are the ones who instigated this war when they invaded Israel and murdered over a thousand innocent civilians, including children. That is fact, not speculation.
 
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Not taking a potential Hamas propaganda wing at its word isn’t denial. It’s called caution.
So rejecting what that picture actually shows was you being cautious. That total and complete devastation was you thinking that hey, it was simply propaganda. That's you, somehow - and I simply can't comprehend this, it makes no sense to me whatsoever - exhibiting such a lack of compassion, such a total and complete lack of any thought for the tens of thousands upon tens of thousands of deaths that it defies any understanding. It's just excuse after excuse after excuse.

You do know that you can blame Hamas AND show regret at the innocent people being killed? You do know that you can say that none of this would have happened without the atrocity of October 7th AND sympathise with the families who have lost their children to Israeli bombs and rockets? Do you actually know that? Because all your posts are simply apologies for what Israel is doing and there's not the slightest indication that you care about this humanitarian disaster at all.
 
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It’s not an invented reason to dismiss an accusation based solely based on anecdotes. Courts do it all the time.
There are actual child patients with high velocity wounds. How do you explain al the dead and maimed Palestinian kids shot by sniper weapons?

Without motivated reasoning you can’t.
 
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So rejecting what that picture actually shows was you being cautious. That total and complete devastation was you thinking that hey, it was simply propaganda. That's you, somehow - and I simply can't comprehend this, it makes no sense to me whatsoever - exhibiting such a lack of compassion, such a total and complete lack of any thought for the tens of thousands upon tens of thousands of deaths that it defies any understanding. It's just excuse after excuse after excuse.

In this day and age it’s important to question everything; including pictures.

AI-Generated Images of Victims to Blame Israel
  • Hamas supporters have used AI-generated images to depict victims of alleged Israeli aggression, such as images of bloodied infants or destroyed civilian infrastructure, to falsely attribute atrocities to Israel. These images, often shared on platforms like Telegram and X, are designed to evoke outrage and portray Israel as responsible for civilian deaths, even when the casualties may result from Hamas’s own actions, such as misfired rockets. For example, fabricated images of suffering children have been circulated to exaggerate or misrepresent the impact of Israeli military actions.
  • Source: Associated Press: https://apnews.com/article/israel-h...sinformation-8e873370f3c0e6c47d1e1763f8e6b6f6
  • False Claims About Al-Ahli Hospital Explosion: Following the October 17, 2023, explosion at Al-Ahli Arab Hospital in Gaza, Hamas quickly blamed Israel, claiming an Israeli airstrike killed at least 471 people. This narrative was amplified through social media posts and statements by Hamas’s Gaza Ministry of Health, which spread widely before evidence emerged suggesting a Palestinian rocket, likely from Islamic Jihad, was responsible. AI-manipulated or out-of-context images and videos were shared to support the claim, depicting destruction and civilian suffering as Israel’s fault.

Hamas loves people like you, who will swallow any news that makes Israel look like the bad guys, uncritically.

You do know that you can blame Hamas AND show regret at the innocent people being killed? You do know that you can say that none of this would have happened without the atrocity of October 7th AND sympathise with the families who have lost their children to Israeli bombs and rockets? Do you actually know that? Because all your posts are simply apologies for what Israel is doing and there's not the slightest indication that you care about this humanitarian disaster at all.

I thought I just did. I am sad at all the lives lost from Hamas instigating this war.
 
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Because all your posts are simply apologies for what Israel is doing and there's not the slightest indication that you care about this humanitarian disaster at all.

Apparently it's not a humanitarian disaster. Apparently it's just Palestinians are evil and deserve this because they are bad and Israel is good.

And, remember, empathy is evil.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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There are actual child patients with high velocity wounds. How do you explain al the dead and maimed Palestinian kids shot by sniper weapons?

Without motivated reasoning you can’t.

“Motivated reasoning is defined as the process by which individuals distort incoming information to align with their prior beliefs, often driven by a conflict between the motivation for accuracy and the desire to reach preferred conclusions.”https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/psychology/motivated-reasoning

Hilariously, this is exactly what you have done.


A proper investigation would give us a conclusive answer.
 
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Apparently it's not a humanitarian disaster. Apparently it's just Palestinians are evil and deserve this because they are bad and Israel is good.

And, remember, empathy is evil.

-CryptoLutheran

Strawman fallacy. No one here has said Palestinians are evil, only Hamas.
 
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