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Two-thirds of Americans think Trump is covering up Epstein evidence

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Yet Allan Dershowitz, a lawyer who saw the documents said on a
YouTube interview, that there is no list and if Trump were on it,
you can be sure the Democrats would've used it in the last election.

If they didn't have the list, they couldn't use it. They did use his association with Epstein, though.
 
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What I don't get is the republicans were crying that the list would expose all the democrats, but then voted against releasing the report.
So now, the republicans stepped in to save the democrats who were trying to expose themselves as pedophiles?

Doesn't sound very likely, does it? I'm guessing that they don't know what's in it, either, but they have their suspicions. And that would explain their votes.
 
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On Saturday, Donald Trump tried to wave the MAGA base off the growing clamor to release the full case file of infamous sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein, a close friend of Trump’s who evaded trial in 2019 by killing himself in jail. The president’s intervention seemed to reveal that he’s deeply worried there’s embarrassing or incriminating evidence about him in the Justice Department’s files. The furor, he insisted, is being driven by “selfish people” who are trying to hurt him. He said the files must be fabricated “by Obama, Crooked Hillary, Comey, Brennan, and the Losers and Criminals of the Biden Administration.” Trump’s tirade made it impossible to escape the conclusion that he’s trying to dissuade his voters from believing any damning evidence that may come out.

What was also telling in this defensive screed is how perplexed Trump is over his base’s fixation on this case. He begs them to move on to other conspiracy theories, offering a full menu of alternatives, like JFK’s assassination, Hunter Biden’s laptop and, his personal favorite, the “Rigged and Stolen Election of 2020.” “Let’s keep it that way, and not waste Time and Energy on Jeffrey Epstein, somebody that nobody cares about,” he pleaded with his supporters, as if saying that no one cares about Epstein will somehow make it true.
MAGA continues to care very much about Epstein. At the Turning Point USA conference over the weekend, right-wing pundit Megyn Kelly commanded the crowd to “make some noise if you care about the Jeffrey Epstein scandal,” leading a crescendo of cheers. Co-host Charlie Kirk crowed that “every hand of 7,000 people” went up after he asked the crowd if they cared. Attendees insisted that Trump is “covering for pedophiles.”

The president’s confusion over why this matters to his base is understandable. MAGA voters have made it abundantly clear that they do not care about sexual abuse. They didn’t care when a tape of Trump bragging about sexual assault was released in 2016. They didn’t care when he was found liable for sexual assault by a civil jury in 2023. They don’t mind that Trump goes out of his way to associate with men accused of sex crimes, from Epstein to Vince McMahon to Pete Hegseth to Matt Gaetz and numerous others. For Trump, this has to be bewildering. His supporters do not treat sexual violence like it’s a bad thing. So why do they care about Jeffrey Epstein’s crimes, or the identities of his alleged co-conspirators?
The one difference between most of these other allegations and what Epstein did is the age of the victims. Alleged or otherwise, the victims of Trump and most of his buddies were adult women. (The one exception is Gaetz, who was accused of abusing a 17-year-old, and is the rare example of an alleged perpetrator that Trump cut loose.) Epstein, however, abused underage girls. In that narrow space between abuse of adults and pedophilia, the MAGA masses have found their moral absolution. Despite their acceptance of misogynist violence, they still get to be the “good guys” because they draw the line at raping minors.


The base seems to have drawn the line at pedophilia.
 
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On Saturday, Donald Trump tried to wave the MAGA base off the growing clamor to release the full case file of infamous sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein, a close friend of Trump’s who evaded trial in 2019 by killing himself in jail. The president’s intervention seemed to reveal that he’s deeply worried there’s embarrassing or incriminating evidence about him in the Justice Department’s files. The furor, he insisted, is being driven by “selfish people” who are trying to hurt him. He said the files must be fabricated “by Obama, Crooked Hillary, Comey, Brennan, and the Losers and Criminals of the Biden Administration.” Trump’s tirade made it impossible to escape the conclusion that he’s trying to dissuade his voters from believing any damning evidence that may come out.

What was also telling in this defensive screed is how perplexed Trump is over his base’s fixation on this case. He begs them to move on to other conspiracy theories, offering a full menu of alternatives, like JFK’s assassination, Hunter Biden’s laptop and, his personal favorite, the “Rigged and Stolen Election of 2020.” “Let’s keep it that way, and not waste Time and Energy on Jeffrey Epstein, somebody that nobody cares about,” he pleaded with his supporters, as if saying that no one cares about Epstein will somehow make it true.
MAGA continues to care very much about Epstein. At the Turning Point USA conference over the weekend, right-wing pundit Megyn Kelly commanded the crowd to “make some noise if you care about the Jeffrey Epstein scandal,” leading a crescendo of cheers. Co-host Charlie Kirk crowed that “every hand of 7,000 people” went up after he asked the crowd if they cared. Attendees insisted that Trump is “covering for pedophiles.”

The president’s confusion over why this matters to his base is understandable. MAGA voters have made it abundantly clear that they do not care about sexual abuse. They didn’t care when a tape of Trump bragging about sexual assault was released in 2016. They didn’t care when he was found liable for sexual assault by a civil jury in 2023. They don’t mind that Trump goes out of his way to associate with men accused of sex crimes, from Epstein to Vince McMahon to Pete Hegseth to Matt Gaetz and numerous others. For Trump, this has to be bewildering. His supporters do not treat sexual violence like it’s a bad thing. So why do they care about Jeffrey Epstein’s crimes, or the identities of his alleged co-conspirators?
The one difference between most of these other allegations and what Epstein did is the age of the victims. Alleged or otherwise, the victims of Trump and most of his buddies were adult women. (The one exception is Gaetz, who was accused of abusing a 17-year-old, and is the rare example of an alleged perpetrator that Trump cut loose.) Epstein, however, abused underage girls. In that narrow space between abuse of adults and pedophilia, the MAGA masses have found their moral absolution. Despite their acceptance of misogynist violence, they still get to be the “good guys” because they draw the line at raping minors.


The base seems to have drawn the line at pedophilia.
LOL. The stuff they are finding out about made up Russiagate? Who do you think you are kidding? If there were anything at all there it would have come out....They did not have anything, they made up stuff and lied about it.
 
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LOL. The stuff they are finding out about made up Russiagate?
Trump already tried that diversion. Even MAGA isn't buying it. "Despite their acceptance of misogynist violence, they still get to be the “good guys” because they draw the line at raping minors."

Whatever Trump did with Russian collusion, has nothing to do with what he did with Epstein. The fact that he's desperately trying to use anything to divert attention from the Esptein case is telling. Trying to appoint an accused pedophile for FBI director, his boasting about getting away with walking into a children's dressing room, and the like has only made the suspicion more credible.
 
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The base seems to have drawn the line at pedophilia.

Give them time. Even that will be overlooked.
Sp far. they haven't. Which is why Trump is frantically looking for some way to divert their attention from his involvement with Epstein's activities.
 
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Trump already tried that diversion.
That is not a diversion.
Even MAGA isn't buying it. "Despite their acceptance of misogynist violence, they still get to be the “good guys” because they draw the line at raping minors."
Your stats are a stunt. See how easy it is? See how well an AI will do for some?
Whatever Trump did with Russian collusion, has nothing to do with what he did with Epstein.
He had nothing to do with Russia collusion, but still the hard left won't accept the facts.
The fact that he's desperately trying to use anything to divert attention from the Esptein case is telling.
The facts are he had nothing to so with Russia, yet you wont accept it.
Trying to appoint an accused pedophile for FBI director, his boasting about getting away with walking into a children's dressing room, and the like has only made the suspicion more credible.
And this. People don't buy it...
 
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And this. People don't buy it...
We now live in an age where uncomfortable truth can be blown off as fake. That is one result of pervasive lies.
When the constantly come from a populist truth gets ignored. But it still exists. Will it find a way back into our hearts?

That is a question really for all of us. How do we deal with truths that we do not like or want?

Do we reject them?
 
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