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Two-thirds of Americans think Trump is covering up Epstein evidence

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Most Americans think the Trump administration is covering up evidence in the late convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein’s federal case, according to a new poll.

A poll conducted by The Economist and YouGov from July 11 to 14 found 67 percent of Americans believe the government is hiding evidence related to the late financier, who died in jail in 2019 while awaiting trial on federal charges related to the sexual abuse of dozens of minor girls. He had pleaded guilty in 2008 to Florida charges of soliciting and procuring a minor for prostitution.

 
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Yet Allan Dershowitz, a lawyer who saw the documents said on a
YouTube interview, that there is no list and if Trump were on it,
you can be sure the Democrats would've used it in the last election.

 
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Yet Allan Dershowitz, a lawyer who saw the documents said on a
YouTube interview, that there is no list and if Trump were on it,
you can be sure the Democrats would've used it in the last election.

Alan Dershowitz would not have complete access to all classified documents . His access would have been limited to documents related to cases he was involved in. He was a member of Jeffrey Epstein's legal defense team and helped negotiate a non-prosecution agreement on Epstein's behalf in 2006. He also faced a defamation lawsuit from Virginia Giuffre, an Epstein victim, which was settled in 2022.
 
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Alan Dershowitz would not have complete access to all classified documents . His access would have been limited to documents related to cases he was involved in. He was a member of Jeffrey Epstein's legal defense team and helped negotiate a non-prosecution agreement on Epstein's behalf in 2006. He also faced a defamation lawsuit from Virginia Giuffre, an Epstein victim, which was settled in 2022.
Listen to the video, he says otherwise and was on the case from the beginning.
 
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Listen to the video, he says otherwise and was on the case from the beginning.
Understood however, Epstein was arrested in July 2019 and he died in August 2019. Though assigned as his lawyer, there would not have been enough time for complete discovery if any ,at all , was released to him.
 
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Understood however, Epstein was arrested in July 2019 and he died in August 2019. Though assigned as his lawyer, there would not have been enough time for complete discovery if any ,at all , was released to him.
There was plenty of time for discovery. However, the issue is the so-called list not being revealed.
Fact is, there was no list and the names in the FBI redacted file were the alleged accusers.

As Dershowitz said, it Trump was involved you can bet it would've been revealed by the
Democrats in the last election. As it was, they tried to lie about it at first until they were
proven wrong.
 
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There was plenty of time for discovery. However, the issue is the so-called list not being revealed.
Fact is, there was no list and the names in the FBI redacted file were the alleged accusers.

As Dershowitz said, it Trump was involved you can bet it would've been revealed by the
Democrats in the last election. As it was, they tried to lie about it at first until they were
proven wrong.
Maybe so. It probably seemed like a great weapon to Trump.

And then he cut himself deeply on it. He's bleeding out, and even if his name is not on it, The people he pumped up about it will no longer believe him.

Inside Trump’s Angry, Desperate Push to Silence MAGA on Epstein Fiasco

As Trump rages wildly over his inability to get MAGA to shut up about the Jeffrey Epstein mess, a writer who’s tracking this battle takes us inside his effort to get this under control—and explains why it’s failing.


Hoist by his own petard.
Hoist with his own petard - Wikipedia

The irony is, it no longer matters if he was lying about there being an Epstein client list. His base believed his stories and they're holding him accountable for it.
 
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Alan Dershowitz would not have complete access to all classified documents . His access would have been limited to documents related to cases he was involved in. He was a member of Jeffrey Epstein's legal defense team and helped negotiate a non-prosecution agreement on Epstein's behalf in 2006. He also faced a defamation lawsuit from Virginia Giuffre, an Epstein victim, which was settled in 2022.
The Biden administration would have. If anything were there it would have long been known.
 
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Most Americans think the Trump administration is covering up evidence in the late convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein’s federal case, according to a new poll.

A poll conducted by The Economist and YouGov from July 11 to 14 found 67 percent of Americans believe the government is hiding evidence related to the late financier, who died in jail in 2019 while awaiting trial on federal charges related to the sexual abuse of dozens of minor girls. He had pleaded guilty in 2008 to Florida charges of soliciting and procuring a minor for prostitution.

I’m not sure what to think anymore. Ugh
 
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I’m not sure what to think anymore. Ugh
We really don't know what the truth is. But it's nice to see that it's come around to bite some of the people hyping the story.
The Biden administration would have. If anything were there it would have long been known.
The cynical part of me suspects that there are democrats as well as Trump who were pals with Epstein, and that all of them were to some degree complicit in his behavior.
 
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It's surprising that more Americans aren't jaded after all the hype over the Steele Dossier and supposed compromising video tapes etc that went nowhere.
Let's take a look...

The following allegations have been publicly corroborated by U.S. intelligence agencies, the January 2017 ODNI report,[12] and the Mueller report:[13] "that the Russian government was working to get Mr. Trump elected";https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steele_dossier#cite_note-Rosenberg-15 that Russia sought "to cultivate people in Trump's orbit";https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steele_dossier#cite_note-Rosenberg-15 that Trump campaign officials and associates had secretive contacts with Russian officials and agents;[14][15][16] that Putin favored Trump over Hillary Clinton;[12][17] that Putin personally ordered an "influence campaign" to harm Clinton's campaign and to "undermine public faith in the US democratic process";[12] and that he ordered cyberattacks on both parties.[12] Some other allegations are plausible but not specifically confirmed,[18][19] and some are dubious in retrospect but not strictly disproven.[20][21][22]
 
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White nationalist commentator Nick Fuentes slammed President Donald Trump for his handling of the Jeffrey Epstein files in a profane rant. Fuentes, a leader of the alt-right movement who turned on Trump just before the 2024 election, made his strongest comments yet about the president. “[Trump] says if you’re not on board with the Epstein cover-up, ‘Oh, I don’t want your support. You’re a weakling,’” Fuentes said on his show America First, recapping how Trump has thumbed his nose at his base for demanding answers on the deceased sex offender’s ties to socialites.

No link, because there's a video on the page that is said to be profane.
 
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We really don't know what the truth is. But it's nice to see that it's come around to bite some of the people hyping the story.

The cynical part of me suspects that there are democrats as well as Trump who were pals with Epstein, and that all of them were to some degree complicit in his behavior.
Alot of people were pals with Epstein, alot. Trump has already given his account of his dealings with him. There is no there,,, there.
 
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Yet Allan Dershowitz, a lawyer who saw the documents said on a
YouTube interview, that there is no list and if Trump were on it,
you can be sure the Democrats would've used it in the last election.
Whether there's a list or not, supposedly two-thirds of Americans think Trump is covering up Epstein evidence. Personally, I think two-thirds is low. And yes, I think the whole thing reeks of cover-up. I also think this has like JFK theories, taken on a life of it's own and there will always be a significant percentage of Americans who think there's been a cover-up.
 
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Let's take a look...

The following allegations have been publicly corroborated by U.S. intelligence agencies, the January 2017 ODNI report,[12] and the Mueller report:[13] "that the Russian government was working to get Mr. Trump elected";https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steele_dossier#cite_note-Rosenberg-15 that Russia sought "to cultivate people in Trump's orbit";https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steele_dossier#cite_note-Rosenberg-15 that Trump campaign officials and associates had secretive contacts with Russian officials and agents;[14][15][16] that Putin favored Trump over Hillary Clinton;[12][17] that Putin personally ordered an "influence campaign" to harm Clinton's campaign and to "undermine public faith in the US democratic process";[12] and that he ordered cyberattacks on both parties.[12] Some other allegations are plausible but not specifically confirmed,[18][19] and some are dubious in retrospect but not strictly disproven.[20][21][22]
To be honest all that red text and hyperlinks crammed together is too difficult on my eyes.
 
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The following allegations have been publicly corroborated by U.S. intelligence agencies, the January 2017 ODNI report,[12] and the Mueller report:[13] "that the Russian government was working to get Mr. Trump elected";https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steele_dossier#cite_note-Rosenberg-15 that Russia sought "to cultivate people in Trump's orbit";https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steele_dossier#cite_note-Rosenberg-15 that Trump campaign officials and associates had secretive contacts with Russian officials and agents;[14][15][16] that Putin favored Trump over Hillary Clinton;[12][17] that Putin personally ordered an "influence campaign" to harm Clinton's campaign and to "undermine public faith in the US democratic process";[12] and that he ordered cyberattacks on both parties.[12] Some other allegations are plausible but not specifically confirmed,[18][19] and some are dubious in retrospect but not strictly disproven.[20][21][22]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steele_dossier


So what has actually been disproven?
 
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Alot of people were pals with Epstein, alot. Trump has already given his account of his dealings with him. There is no there,,, there.
Even MAGA isn't buying that story.
 
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Loomer delivers searing warning: Epstein could ‘consume’ Trump presidency

The president has tried to tamp down the rebellion among his supporters.

Trump supporters burn Maga hats after he dismisses Epstein files furor as ‘hoax’

Mike Pence is latest prominent figure to call for release of files on sex offender once close to president

 
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