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Jobs report lousy: Trump shoots the messenger

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I don't know what that means.

It means you would prefer to automatically accept the "official" talking point -- she was a Biden appointee therefore she must be bad -- then actually examine her background, qualifications and past support by member of both parties.
 
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The problem for trump was that Georgians found Biden preferable to him. His attempt to appeal to loyalty to get the Georgia official to fake the election results shows us that he puts loyalty over honesty.
It's not a problem for him though. Anything that didn't keep hum from being the President of the United States again, isn't a problem for him. And pretty much the only ones who care about that jazz are the ones who hate him anyways.
 
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It means you would prefer to automatically accept the "official" talking point -- she was a Biden appointee therefore she must be bad -- then actually examine her background, qualifications and past support by member of both parties.
I didn't say that I accept it. I just said what it is.
 
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It's not a problem for him though. Anything that didn't keep hum from being the President of the United States again, isn't a problem for him.
Honesty is not a problem for him. It just doesn't exist in his mind. But as Raffensperger showed, some republicans do care about honesty.

And pretty much the only ones who care about that jazz are the ones who hate him anyways.
Honest people generally don't hate him; they are appalled by his lack of principle.
 
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No, I don't think so. Mueller's record...

Nine major Trump people indicted, convicted, or pleading guilty. Mueller said that he didn't indict Trump because the Justice Department opposed indicting a sitting president. He pointedly said that the investigation did not clear Trump of criminal acts.

It remains true that Trump's reluctance to release even redacted copies of the Epstein files feeds the continuing controversy over what he was doing with Epstein on those trips.
Nothing happened to Trump as hoped. Expectations were so high. "It's Mueller Time!". And in the end nothing happed to Trump. Jack Smith, nothing. Georgia, dismissed. New York, sentence discharged. Etc etc. Trump sitting in the Oval Office with a big grin on his face.
 
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Honesty is not a problem for him. It just doesn't exist in his mind. But as Raffensperger showed, some republicans do care about honesty.
Considering it's said that all politicians are dishonest, that doesn't really carry any weight.
Honest people generally don't hate him; they are appalled by his lack of principle.
Reminds me about all the Democrats lies about Biden being able to carry out a second term.
 
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Nothing happened to Trump as hoped. Expectations were so high. "It's Mueller Time!". And in the end nothing happed to Trump. Jack Smith, nothing. Georgia, dismissed. New York, sentence discharged. Etc etc. Trump sitting in the Oval Office with a big grin on his face.
And some people continue to applaud this triumph of criminality.
 
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No. For example, in previous administrations, the Justice Department had no personal loyalty to the president. The concept is they are supposed to be loyal to the Constitution. It's why Comey was so disturbed when Trump asked him to be personally loyal to him.
Speaking of Comey:

 
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Speaking of Comey:
Ah, a Fox You Tube video. How convincing. What claim therein, do you find most compelling, and what is the evidence for it?
 
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Trump sitting in the Oval Office with a big grin on his face.
The Teflon Don. He isn't the first. And yes, he pardoned the loyal criminals that Mueller caught. They didn't rat him out, and he rewarded them. But Trump is still a convicted criminal. And that, unless the Epstein papers actually incriminate him for things he and Epstein did on his island, will be his legacy. The first American president to be a convicted felon. Not even Nixon had that dishonor.
 
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Considering it's said that all politicians are dishonest, that doesn't really carry any weight.
It's what every criminal says when caught; "they all do what I did." Trump is no different.
 
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The Teflon Don. He isn't the first. And yes, he pardoned the loyal criminals that Mueller caught. They didn't rat him out, and he rewarded them. But Trump is still a convicted criminal. And that, unless the Epstein papers actually incriminate him for things he and Epstein did on his island, will be his legacy. The first American president to be a convicted felon. Not even Nixon had that dishonor.
That'll be his legacy for those who don't like him. Those who do think it's bogus.
 
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Biden is too old and should not run again. That wasn't a secret. In 2022 75% of Dems didn't want him to run again.
The inner circle of a president is going to protect that president. Does an inner circle lie for the interest of the president? This current one does it without hesitation. If people were being lied to about Biden, it sure wasn't very affective. Did Biden win the primary? Yes, that's a feature of the process rather than the person. This thread is just another typical Trump lie (aka what Bannon calls flooding the zone so you don't know up from down) where the BLS is out to get Trump because she was a Democratic Biden appointee. He'll never complain when the BLS does their normal revisions, and job numbers are revised upwards. I mean really, Joe was old and definitely showing signs of age. But I will take that over the unhinged with no guardrails anytime.
 
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If you get every job report wrong for 4 years, and every report has to be revised downward maybe you should be fired
Conflating the normal process of revision with getting things "wrong" is a poor argument.
 
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I think a core issue is the intent of Trump in the whole matter. If he truly feels that the BLS is running the numbers in favor of his opponents and against him, his reason could be incorrect but not authoritarian. He may just feel he lacks reliable resources.
 
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