The Seven Mountains Mandate or Dominionism?

PatrickTate · Friday at 9:28 AM

I know that there is some controversy surrounding the general idea of Dominionism or The Seven Mountains Mandate that was explained by Dr. Lance Wallnau.

The Seven Mountain Mandate, also Seven Mountains Mandate, 7M,[1] 7MM,[2] or Seven Mountains Dominionism,[3] is a dominionist conservative Christian movement within evangelical Christianity, particularly independent Charismatic groups.[1][4][5] It holds that there are seven aspects of society that believers seek to dominate: family, religion, education, media, arts and entertainment, business, and government

I have ran into a pretty simple explanation for this general idea in the near death experience of former Atheist Howard Storm. What Howard Storm reports being shown adds a clarity and a simplicity to astonishing predictions in Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and in the Minor Prophets so I believe that digging into this can be greatly encouraging to all Christians.

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Because of my fear of a nuclear holocaust I asked if there was going to be a nuclear war in the world, and they said no. That astonished me, and I gave them this extensive explanation of how I had lived under the threat of nuclear war. That was one of the reasons I was who I was. I figured, when I was in this life, that it was all sort of hopeless; the world was going to blow up anyway, and nothing made much sense. In that context I felt I could do what I wanted, since nothing mattered.

They said, “No, there isn’t going to be any nuclear war.”

...

The image of the future that they gave me then, and it was their image, not one that I created, surprised me. My image had previously been sort of like Star Wars, where everything was space age, plastics, and technology.

The future that they showed me was almost no technology at all. What everybody, absolutely everybody, in this euphoric future spent most of their time doing was raising children. The chief concern of people was children, and everybody considered children to be the most precious commodity in the world.

And when a person became an adult, there was no sense of anxiety, nor hatred, nor competition.

There was this enormous sense of trust and mutual respect. If a person, in this view of the future, became disturbed, then the community of people all cared about the disturbed person falling away from the harmony of the group. Spiritually, through prayer and love, the others would elevate the afflicted person.

What people did with the rest of their time was that they gardened, with almost no physical effort. They showed me that plants, with prayer, would produce huge fruits and vegetables.

People, in unison, could control the climate of the planet through prayer. Everybody would work with mutual trust and the people would call the rain, when needed, and the sun to shine.

Animals lived with people, in harmony.

...

Storm states, “I don’t know if the richest country in the history of the world is doomed to lose God’s blessing or if the people of the United States will become the moral light of the world. How long will God allow the injustice to continue? The future lies in the choices we make right now. God is intervening in direct ways in human events. May God’s will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven!”

In his 2000 book, “My Descent into Death,” Storm described possible timelines of a future Golden Age and a possible future of immense destruction. According to Storm, we currently live in a time when humanity is caught up in materialism, greed, and selfishness. Environmental degradation is worsening. Nations are aggressive and militaristic. Religion is more institutional than spiritual. We’re at a critical turning point. Humanity is choosing between two paths: destruction or transformation. If humanity fails to change, from between the 2030s to the 2060s, there will be worldwide environmental disasters (earthquakes, volcanoes, storms), the power grid will be sabotaged, a global financial collapse will occur, wars will break out around the world (no nuclear war), and social chaos will be widespread. A utopian future can occur between the 2100s and the 2200s – but only if humanity changes course now. This utopia will be a “Golden Age” when all war, poverty, and injustice are eliminated. The Earth will be healed and sustainably managed. Governments will be based on wisdom and compassion, not power. Spiritual beings will interact more openly with humanity. Life will be guided by divine love, not fear. But if destruction occurs before this utopia, there will be a recovery period between the 2060s and the 2100s when communities will emerge based on cooperation, love, and service. People will return to spiritual values. Technology will be reintroduced gradually, used ethically and sustainably. Storm was told that the future is not fixed. Our choices now will determine whether we face destruction or a spiritual rebirth.

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Does this verse refer only to the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus or does this refer to all statements in the Law, in the Prophets and in The Writings?

25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:" [Luke 24:25]

Gregory Thompson · Friday at 3:26 PM

Yes, it's just total anarchy.

Bob asks for one thing with total faith and Suzy asks for the opposite with total faith.

All the prayers cancel each other out, what can you do?

half joking because it involves speak-it-into-existence folks.

PatrickTate · Friday at 8:16 PM

Gregory Thompson said:
Yes, it's just total anarchy.

Bob asks for one thing with total faith and Suzy asks for the opposite with total faith.

All the prayers cancel each other out, what can you do?

half joking because it involves speak-it-into-existence folks.

Our words have great power....
that is one of the first things that near death experiencer Kevin Zadai was told by Jesus.

David Lamb · Saturday at 4:54 AM

PatrickTate said:
I know that there is some controversy surrounding the general idea of Dominionism or The Seven Mountains Mandate that was explained by Dr. Lance Wallnau.

I have ran into a pretty simple explanation for this general idea in the near death experience of former Atheist Howard Storm. What Howard Storm reports being shown adds a clarity and a simplicity to astonishing predictions in Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and in the Minor Prophets so I believe that digging into this can be greatly encouraging to all Christians.

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[Howard Storm
...
Does this verse refer only to the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus or does this refer to all statements in the Law, in the Prophets and in The Writings?

25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:" [Luke 24:25]

I particularly noticed the words: "It holds that there are seven aspects of society that believers seek to dominate: family, religion, education, media, arts and entertainment, business, and government."

I wonder where in the bible they get the idea that Christians are to dominate those seven aspects. There are certainly instructions about how the Christian should treat members of his own family, how they should engage in business, how they should pray for governments/world leaders, and so on, but nothing, as far as I am aware, to indicate that Christians are to seek to dominate the seven aspects.

PatrickTate · Saturday at 5:17 AM

David Lamb said:
I particularly noticed the words: "It holds that there are seven aspects of society that believers seek to dominate: family, religion, education, media, arts and entertainment, business, and government."

I wonder where in the bible they get the idea that Christians are to dominate those seven aspects. There are certainly instructions about how the Christian should treat members of his own family, how they should engage in business, how they should pray for governments/world leaders, and so on, but nothing, as far as I am aware, to indicate that Christians are to seek to dominate the seven aspects.

How about the idea that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus was The Prophet Like Moses but Joshua the son of Nun, [whose name could be spelled Yeshua or Yahushua], is leading His disciples and His Bride into The Promised Land, [Heaven on Earth] where The Holy Spirit rules in the hearts of humans from the least to the greatest?

David Lamb · Saturday at 5:33 AM

PatrickTate said:
How about the idea that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus was The Prophet Like Moses but Joshua the son of Nun, [whose name could be spelled Yeshua or Yahushua], is leading His disciples and His Bride into The Promised Land, [Heaven on Earth] where The Holy Spirit rules in the hearts of humans from the least to the greatest?

But, even assuming for sake of argument your idea that heaven will be on earth, your post says nothing (as far as I can see) about Christians having domination/dominion over the 7 aspects.

PatrickTate · Saturday at 6:13 AM

David Lamb said:
But, even assuming for sake of argument your idea that heaven will be on earth, your post says nothing (as far as I can see) about Christians having domination/dominion over the 7 aspects.

So what do you think about the scriptures about Jesus giving His Bride and His disciples authority over unclean spirits and all the power of the Enemy?

David Lamb · Saturday at 6:16 AM

PatrickTate said:
So what do you think about the scriptures about Jesus giving His Bride and His disciples authority over unclean spirits and all the power of the Enemy?

I think that is completely different to saying that Christians should have authority over governments, families, education and so on.

PatrickTate · Saturday at 6:52 AM

David Lamb said:
I think that is completely different to saying that Christians should have authority over governments, families, education and so on.

I can see your logic because in the past centuries and millennia when "Christians" were given political authority we often did NOT use that authority well at all.

But let's take the case of little three year and ten month old Colton Burpo. During his near death experience, [that I personally think was probably an actual death plus resurrection event], Colton Burpo's dad Pastor Todd Burpo prayed with fervency and zeal and asked Jesus "why" Jesus would allow his little son to die after all the effort that Pastor Todd Burpo had put into attempting to set in motion spiritual revival in the little town where he was preaching and with every person that he met?

Little Colton Burpo is told that he has to go back and cannot stay in heaven because of the way that his dad was praying?!

"Heaven Is For Real" Interview with Todd and Colton Burpo (Long Version)

David Lamb · Saturday at 7:00 AM

PatrickTate said:
I can see your logic because in the past centuries and millennia when "Christians" were given political authority we often did NOT use that authority well at all.

But let's take the case of little three year and ten month old Colton Burpo. During his near death experience, [that I personally think was probably an actual death plus resurrection event], Colton Burpo's dad Pastor Todd Burpo prayed with fervency and zeal and asked Jesus "why" Jesus would allow his little son to die after all the effort that Pastor Todd Burpo had put into attempting to set in motion spiritual revival in the little town where he was preaching and with every person that he met?

Little Colton Burpo is told that he has to go back and cannot stay in heaven because of the way that his dad was praying?!

"Heaven Is For Real" Interview with Todd and Colton Burpo (Long Version)

I am sorry, but I don't understand what Colton Burpo's death or his father's prayers have to do with the notion of Christians having a mandate to exert authority or dominion over families, governments, education, and so on.

PatrickTate · Saturday at 7:05 AM

David Lamb said:
I am sorry, but I don't understand what Colton Burpo's death or his father's prayers have to do with the notion of Christians having a mandate to exert authority or dominion over families, governments, education, and so on.

So you don't consider that a Resurrection event or possible resurrection event demonstrates THE AUTHORITY of Jesus even over death itself?

So who demonstrated that authority for us?

The very human and flawed but zealous Pastor Todd Burpo did!

David Lamb · Saturday at 7:11 AM

PatrickTate said:
So you don't consider that a Resurrection event or possible resurrection event demonstrates THE AUTHORITY of Jesus even over death itself?

However did you get that from my post? I didn't even mention the authority of Jesus. I thought this thread was about something called the Seven Mountains Mandate, which says that Christians have the mandate to assume authority over seven named aspects of life, such as governments, education and families. To avoid any further confusion on thos point, I assure you that I fully believe in the authority of Jesus Christ, Who is King of kings and Lord of lords.

PatrickTate · Saturday at 7:36 AM

David Lamb said:
However did you get that from my post? I didn't even mention the authority of Jesus. I thought this thread was about something called the Seven Mountains Mandate, which says that Christians have the mandate to assume authority over seven named aspects of life, such as governments, education and families. To avoid any further confusion on thos point, I assure you that I fully believe in the authority of Jesus Christ, Who is King of kings and Lord of lords.

Please pray and ask Jesus to show you about the faith that the centurion had, [and specifically why a Gentile would tend to have greater faith than Rabbi's who had huge portions of the Jewish Bible memorized]?

Please do a search for "Forty Four Hours in Heaven" about the near death experience of Robert and Carol Marshall, [half of the book is written by Robert's wife who is the one who is praying with AUTHORITY and who I believe plays a role similar to Pastor Todd Burpo in that particular "Reality Film Series Produced by Jesus and by The Holy Spirit" that I believe are two modern"Resurrection" or near "resurrection" events.

Perhaps I am an idiot but I thought that the whole point of this doctrine branches off from when we pray "Thy Kingdom Come, Thy Will Be Done, on earth as in heaven?"

Am I wrong about this extremely simple idea of what "Dominionism" means?

To my thinking the debate is around the timing for and application of when and how and through whom the Holy Spirit can invade this earth. Can the Holy Spirit not largely and significantly take over in human affairs until after Zechariah chapter fourteen is fulfilled?

Is that what you think because frankly I used to believe that myself while I was a member of the Worldwide Church of God.

To at least some degree what happened to Robert and Carol Marshall can be compared to the resurrection of Lazarus so Christians should be excited and inspired.

What about that revival that began in Scotland over a century ago? Wasn't much of what happened back then the result of Christians praying for the will of God to be done on earth?

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This is a true story and testimony from a man named Robert, who died three times on May 19th, 2024. He explains how he died by suffocating, drowning in his blood in his lungs, acute hypoxic respiratory failure, and cardiac arrest. The result was his suffering oxygen deprivation to his brain for a total of approximately 90 minutes and about his visits to Heaven each time he died.

Each time he died, he went to Heaven. The 1st time he went to Heaven was for 15 minutes; the 2nd time was for 17 minutes; and the 3rd time was for 43 hours and 28 minutes. In the book 44 Hours in Heaven, he shares what Heaven is like, the conversations he had with Jesus, and what he learned.

The following excerpt from chapter 10 in the book "44 Hours In Heaven" contains what Jesus commanded Robert to do.

Jesus said, "You will worship Me in truth and spirit, and you will do as I command you."

Jesus then told him what He would require him to do, “You will worship Me in Truth and Spirit, and you will do as I command you.”

“In doing so, you will share how and why you were given life again."

“You will share with anybody that I put in your path and will entertain any questions about what I shared and taught you from anybody who asks.”

David Lamb · Saturday at 7:44 AM

PatrickTate said:
Please pray and ask Jesus to show you about the faith that the centurion had, [and specifically why a Gentile would tend to have greater faith than Rabbi's who had huge portions of the Jewish Bible memorized]?

I already know about the centurion and what Jesus said about the faith he had.

PatrickTate said:
Please do a search for "Forty Four Hours in Heaven" about the near death experience of Robert and Carol Marshall, [half of the book is written by Robert's wife who is the one who is praying with AUTHORITY and who I believe plays a role similar to Pastor Todd Burpo in that particular "Reality Film Series Produced by Jesus and by The Holy Spirit."

Perhaps I am an idiot but I thought that the whole point of this doctrine branches off from when we pray "Thy Kingdom Come, Thy Will Be Done, on earth as in heaven?"

Am I wrong about this extremely simple idea of what "Dominionism" means?

To my thinking the debate is around the timing for and application of when and how and through whom the Holy Spirit can invade this earth. Can the Holy Spirit not largely and significantly take over in human affairs until after Zechariah chapter fourteen is fulfilled?

The Holy Spirit is divine, and can do whatever He wishes.

PatrickTate said:
Is that what you think because frankly I used to believe that myself while I was a member of the Worldwide Church of God.

I am not sure what "this" you mean, when you ask, "Is this what you think?"

My problem is that I am having trouble making much of a link between what you are writing on this thread, and the subject mentioned in the OP, which was about a teaching that says that Christians (not Jesus or the Holy Spirit) are to exert authority over governments, families, education and the rest.

PatrickTate · Saturday at 7:48 AM

David Lamb said:
I already know about the centurion and what Jesus said about the faith he had.

The Holy Spirit is divine, and can do whatever He wishes.

I am not sure what "this" you mean, when you ask, "Is this what you think?"

My problem is that I am having trouble making much of a link between what you are writing on this thread, and the subject mentioned in the OP, which was about a teaching that says that Christians (not Jesus or the Holy Spirit) are to exert authority over governments, families, education and the rest.

But the point of this doctrine "Dominionism" is perhaps that the Holy Spirit DOES NOT SIMPLY DO WHAT HE OR SHE WANTS TO DO BUT The Holy Spirit only does what ChristIans PRAY FOR with belief and faith and some fervency?

When and where did I say that this is not really Jesus and the Holy Spirit actually doing this but through the hearts and minds of Christians who are NOT lukewarm but instead have been cleansed by the Fire of the Holy Spirit.

Seven years ago I was in a dark place but I prayed and was led in a very different direction than simply being entertained by Netflix. As I listened to lecture after lecture by near death experiencer Kevin Zadai Th. D. and as I took course after course by him I feel that the Holy Spirit fried, barbecued, roasted, toasted and cooked much of the darkness out of my mind and will and emotions that I had seven years ago!

David Lamb · Saturday at 7:59 AM

PatrickTate said:
But the point of this doctrine "Dominionism" is perhaps that the Holy Spirit DOES NOT SIMPLY DO WHAT HE OR SHE WANTS TO DO BUT The Holy Spirit only does what ChristIans PRAY FOR with belief and faith and some fervency?

When and where did I say that this is not really Jesus and the Holy Spirit actually doing this but through the hearts and minds of Christians who are NOT lukewarm but instead have been cleansed by the Fire of the Holy Spirit.

But prayer is to be according to God's will. Jesus included the words, "Your will be don" in the pattern of prayer He gave the disciples. John wrote to Christians:

“Now this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us.” (1Jo 5:14 NKJV)

You seem to be suggesting that Christians can pray for things that God, particularly the Holy Spirit, does not want.

I am afraid I don't understand these words at all: "When and where did I say that this is not really Jesus and the Holy Spirit actually doing this but through the hearts and minds of Christians who are NOT lukewarm but instead have been cleansed by the Fire of the Holy Spirit." The original post as I keep saying, mentioned a belief in a mandate to Christians to exert authority over 7 aspects of life.

PatrickTate · Saturday at 8:16 AM

David Lamb said:
But prayer is to be according to God's will. Jesus included the words, "Your will be don" in the pattern of prayer He gave the disciples. John wrote to Christians:

“Now this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us.” (1Jo 5:14 NKJV)

You seem to be suggesting that Christians can pray for things that God, particularly the Holy Spirit, does not want.

I am afraid I don't understand these words at all: "When and where did I say that this is not really Jesus and the Holy Spirit actually doing this but through the hearts and minds of Christians who are NOT lukewarm but instead have been cleansed by the Fire of the Holy Spirit." The original post as I keep saying, mentioned a belief in a mandate to Christians to exert authority over 7 aspects of life.

Just because you understood the opening post in a certain way does not necessarily mean that that is what was meant by Dr. Lance Wallnau who has explained about The Seven Mountains mandate that I believe is the very foundation of "Dominionism."

Jesus was more than willing to keep little Colton Burpo of "Heaven is for Real" in heaven but his dad prayed with faith and boldness and Colton Burpo was sent back and Jesus set up a book and movie that has helped millions of people to have a significantly greater level of faith.

Former Atheist Howard Storm during his near death experience reports that Catholic Sisters at the university where he taught Art were praying for his salvation and their prayers played a huge part in his being sent back from hell and from death with a powerful message for all of us who will listen.

Near death experiencer Robert Marshall reports that he himself had became selfish and lukewarm and that it was his wife's prayers for him that played a huge role in his being sent back after flatlining or being brain dead for forty four hours.

When I was a member of the Worldwide Church of God I was taught that all that I had to do was pray and pay tithes and Pastor General Herbert W. Armstrong and the Evangelists would make The Plain Truth magazine available in all nations for free plus Pastor General Herbert W. Armstrong or his son Garner Ted or some evangelists would do a regular TV broadcast and thus I was excused from going out there and doing something like near death experiencer Kevin Zadai Th. D. has been doing, [even while he was a flight attendant at Southwest Airlines]. Dr. Zadai prayed and prayed and prayed for hundreds of people daily as he served them Coke or Sprite and peanuts. A marketplace ministry can reach a lot of people for Jesus.

David Lamb · Saturday at 8:31 AM

PatrickTate said:
Just because you understood the opening post in a certain way does not necessarily mean that that is what was meant by Dr. Lance Wallnau who has explained about The Seven Mountains mandate that I believe is the very foundation of "Dominionism."

Jesus was more than willing to keep little Colton Burpo of "Heaven is for Real" in heaven but his dad prayed with faith and boldness and Colton Burpo was sent back and Jesus set up a book and movie that has helped millions of people to have a significantly greater level of faith.

Former Atheist Howard Storm during his near death experience reports that Catholic Sisters at the university where he taught Art were praying for his salvation and their prayers played a huge part in his being sent back from hell and from death with a powerful message for all of us who will listen.

Near death experiencer Robert Marshall reports that he himself had became selfish and lukewarm and that it was his wife's prayers for him that played a huge role in his being sent back after flatlining or being brain dead for forty four hours.

When I was a member of the Worldwide Church of God I was taught that all that I had to do was pray and pay tithes and Pastor General Herbert W. Armstrong and the Evangelists would make The Plain Truth magazine available in all nations for free plus Pastor General Herbert W. Armstrong or his son Garner Ted or some evangelists would do a regular TV broadcast and thus I was excused from going out there and doing something like near death experiencer Kevin Zadai Th. D. has been doing, [even while he was a flight attendant at Southwest Airlines]. Dr. Zadai prayed and prayed and prayed for hundreds of people daily as he served them Coke or Sprite and peanuts. A marketplace ministry can reach a lot of people for Jesus.

If I misunderstood the OP, I apologise. However, it does contain these words:

"It holds that there are seven aspects of society that believers seek to dominate: family, religion, education, media, arts and entertainment, business, and government."

That seemed to be saying that Christian believes are to dominate those 7 aspects of life. If my understanding of the OP is wrong, then sorry for wasting your time. I didn't do so diliberately.

Richard T · Saturday at 8:12 PM

Here are similar mandates from an earlier source.

Ideology and Ideological State Apparatuses by Louis Althusser 1969-70

"State Apparatuses (the order in which I have listed them has no particular significance):

the religious ISA (the system of the different churches),
the educational ISA (the system of the different public and private ‘schools’),
the family ISA,[8]
the legal ISA,[9]
the political ISA (the political system, including the different parties),
the trade-union ISA,
the communications ISA (press, radio and television, etc.),
the cultural ISA (literature, the arts, sports, etc.)."

BelieveItOarKnot · Monday at 4:44 AM

PatrickTate said:
Am I wrong about this extremely simple idea of what "Dominionism" means?

There are many scriptures about "praying always" or "continually."

The only feasible way to do that is to understand that the Spirit of Christ is within us, with every thought, word and deed.

As far as prayers and goals, if we think things through to their logical conclusion, there is only 1 viable prayer. I think Jesus nailed it already, in the Lord's Prayer...Thy Kingdom come, Thy Will be done.

IF we really believe that prayer, then everything that has ever happened and that ever will happen is in fact within God's Own Will for it to happen. Believing otherwise merely makes God out to be some powerless potentate sitting on his cloud somewhere waiting for us to figure it out. Not really a credible form of God, imho

The Seven Mountains Mandate or Dominionism?

Can our prayers and decisions positively impact the future?

No

Yes

I sure do hope so because that would explain many troubling ideas in the Bible

Other answer, please be specific in a reply.

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