I believe that ALL who ever lived will be in God’s Kingdom

Aseyesee · Jul 31, 2025

BelieveItOarKnot said:
The question with you has lingered. Is that part you, or a foreign agent that is not you?

Paul described the sin he had in his own flesh as A. No longer I twice in Romans 7, and B. A messenger of Satan in his flesh.

It was never more then an image ...by which I was deceived of my soul ... which has been the issue (of blood) since the foundation of the earth, where Christ was crucified from ...

Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

timothyu · Jul 31, 2025

Hebrews denoted the tempter as an “evil urge”. The onus is still on us.

Aseyesee · Jul 31, 2025

"Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison."

JulieB67 · Aug 1, 2025

timothyu said:
The onus is still on us.

Yes, agreed.

BelieveItOarKnot · Aug 1, 2025

Aseyesee said:
It was never more then an image

So your own image then? Is that what you're saying?

And past tense, as in was, meaning no longer applicable?

You get the point yet?

Aseyesee said:
I was deceived of my soul

There's an issue at hand here. IF this deception is merely "me" or "you"

THEN

Jesus was tempted by Himself, as there technically is no Satan as an adversary that is different from the person.

Are we creeping up on this thing yet or will you still insist that you used to be your own adversary but have now transcended?

BelieveItOarKnot · Aug 1, 2025

timothyu said:
Hebrews denoted the tempter as an “evil urge”. The onus is still on us.

We can not unbind what God Himself has bound us to in this present life:

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

No one, no, not one gets off the hook. God has technically never forgiven a single sin of the devil and his messengers and will not ever.

So any notions that "our sin" is forgiven whilst all the other people who "don't believe like me" are going to fry alive forever is simply the hypocrisy and lies of the devil being played out in the carriers of same.

Tricky little devil that he is.

BelieveItOarKnot · Aug 1, 2025

JulieB67 said:
I accept every word.

You just denied that Mark 4:15 still happens to you. So, therefore...

Fact is we all "have" sin as a present tense matter. Not one of us is ever sinless, not even for a nanosecond.

And sin is and remains, "of the devil," 1 John 3:8

Just because we are not aware of the internal influences of the spirit of disobedience, that is THE DEVIL, doesn't mean our flesh doesn't remain subject to same. Paul had temptation in his flesh, Gal. 4:14 and had a messenger of Satan in his own flesh, 2 Cor. 12:7. Not hard to connect the tempter to temptation is it? And that temptation was not "from time to time and only on special occasions, like after dark.

No one has "unbound themselves" from what God has bound us with:

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Believers are falsely led into thinking they are "better than the other sinners" but that is actually the very first thing Jesus warned His disciples about. And EVERY disciple has to learn the lesson or they are not His disciples, but are in fact lying hypocrites which is the devil pulling the wool over their eyes, believeitorknot.

JulieB67 said:
Not every verse of that parable applies to everyone. Christ is separating them into 4 different groups when they hear the Word.

Yes it does my dear. Listen to your Master: Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4, Deut. 8:3

Every Word of God applies to everyone, no exceptions other than God Himself in the flesh, as it pertains to sin/evil.

You see God can and did create evil, and uses it, as shown above in Romans 11:32, precisely to demonstrate a few things. One being His Superiority over everyone, able to bind us all. And secondly will be the coup de grace, the extension of God's Mercy in Christ unto all people. Yes, it will be a big surprise and a big party at the end for all people. The Savior of the world will actually come through for all people.

And that little robot shill called the devil and his messengers will be carted off to the permanent incinerator, having served their temporal purposes. Call it an anti-heaven for anti-Christ spirits.

The captives WILL go free. This is the Gospel.

The best we get in this life is to be HONEST about these things. Not claim exemption.

So you see, even by using them God has created HONESTY in a few. And the HOPE that comes with it, for all

BelieveItOarKnot · Aug 1, 2025

timothyu said:
Yes, God created a Tempter, but it has no power to MAKE us do anything. It is the power of suggestion.

There is no escaping this fact for anyone, and yes, it is a very real happening and power within everyone:

Mark 7:
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

The above is the one thing you can take to the bank about everyone.

YET we all tend to lie like the devil about it, don't we?

JulieB67 · Aug 1, 2025

BelieveItOarKnot said:
Yes it does my dear. Listen to your Master: Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4, Deut. 8:3

Every Word of God applies to everyone, no exceptions other than God Himself in the flesh, as it pertains to sin/evil.

You see God can and did create evil, and uses it, as shown above in Romans 11:32, precisely to demonstrate a few things. One being His Superiority over everyone, able to bind us all. And secondly will be the coup de grace, the extension of God's Mercy in Christ unto all people. Yes, it will be a big surprise and a big party at the end for all people. The Savior of the world will actually come through for all people.

And that little robot shill called the devil and his messengers will be carted off to the permanent incinerator, having served their temporal purposes. Call it an anti-heaven for anti-Christ spirits.

The captives WILL go free. This is the Gospel.

The best we get in this life is to be HONEST about these things. Not claim exemption.

So you see, even by using them God has created HONESTY in a few. And the HOPE that comes with it, for all

Luke 10:19 "Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you."

James 4:7 "Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."

Romans 12:2 "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."

BelieveItOarKnot · Aug 1, 2025

JulieB67 said:
Luke 10:19 "Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you."

James 4:7 "Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."

Romans 12:2 "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."

We only have dominion in HONESTY, not claiming exemption and eradication

Dominion does not exist by lying hypocrisy

Sorry to burst your bubble

JulieB67 · Aug 1, 2025

BelieveItOarKnot said:
here is no escaping this fact for anyone, and yes, it is a very real happening and power within everyone:

Mark 7:
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

The above is the one thing you can take to the bank about everyone.

Romans 12:21 "Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good."

timothyu · Aug 1, 2025

BelieveItOarKnot said:
We can not unbind what God Himself has bound us to in this present life:

Right the knowledge of self-awareness is built in thanks to A&E. But we have the power to understand God’s Will is smarter than ours and our allegiance should be to Him rather than our selfish ways. It still all remains a matter of choice and once we realize our backwards nature there is no excuse not to take responsibility for our own actions.

It was a matter of choice in the Garden and it still is today

timothyu · Aug 1, 2025

BelieveItOarKnot said:
Just because we are not aware of the internal influences of the spirit of disobedience, that is THE DEVIL, doesn't mean our flesh doesn't remain subject to same.

Simply put, our selfish self-serving nature. Look at Eve and Adam who were unaware of thei dual nature until they became aware of self. There was no way they could have been selfish prior as they couldn’t take anything for self because technically there was no “self”.

We today are aware of self but we need not be selfish. That is why God commanded us to love all as self so we would be givers, not takers.

timothyu · Aug 1, 2025

BelieveItOarKnot said:
YET we all tend to lie like the devil about it, don't we?

Only those who want to self-justify their self-interest

Aseyesee · Aug 1, 2025

BelieveItOarKnot said:
So your own image then? Is that what you're saying?

And past tense, as in was, meaning no longer applicable?

You get the point yet?

There's an issue at hand here. IF this deception is merely "me" or "you"

THEN

Jesus was tempted by Himself, as there technically is no Satan as an adversary that is different from the person.

Are we creeping up on this thing yet or will you still insist that you used to be your own adversary but have now transcended?

“So your own image then? Is that what you're saying?”

What did the people see when they saw Jesus hung on a tree/cross … was it a serpent?

The image is that of a man (one who tills the ground from whence he came (“Where art thou”), but the son of man (to God) is the son of God, which is a truth relevant to all mankind …

“And past tense, as in was, meaning no longer applicable?”

“ … when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

“There's an issue at hand here. IF this deception is merely "me" or "you" THEN Jesus was tempted by Himself, as there technically is no Satan as an adversary that is different from the person.”

It is symbolic in what God’s word (thou art my beloved son/thou shalt not eat) became to him in a/the wilderness (part of a cohesive narrative that also plays out in us … in a garden); a word that both led and drove him to it …

Did God knowingly create his own adversary … twice? (Satan,man/flesh)

“ I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these …”

“And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.’

“And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.”

“God is not the author of confusion …”

“Thou therefore gird up thy loins, and arise, and speak unto them all that I command thee: be not dismayed at their faces, lest I confound thee before them.”

“ Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.”

Have you seen God, or Satan … all we have to go by is the words on a page, and our perception of them …

Job (helps) define the rod of God in the context of consciousness (or our soul) in relationship to the son we are) …

Der Alte · Aug 1, 2025

BelieveItOarKnot said:
There is no escaping this fact for anyone, and yes, it is a very real happening and power within everyone:

Mark 7:
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

The above is the one thing you can take to the bank about everyone.

YET we all tend to lie like the devil about it, don't we?

From reading this post one might understand that not nobody, not no how, is or can be saved. Is that what you are saying?

BelieveItOarKnot · Aug 1, 2025

Der Alte said:
From reading this post one might understand that not nobody, not no how, is or can be saved. Is that what you are saying?

You think evil thoughts means no salvation? I'd suggest an errant conclusion on your mind

Der Alte · Aug 1, 2025

BelieveItOarKnot said:
You think evil thoughts means no salvation? I'd suggest an errant conclusion on your mind

This doesn't really address my post does it?

BelieveItOarKnot · Aug 1, 2025

Der Alte said:
This doesn't really address my post does it?

Let's start with something simple, like telling the truth.

Does Mark 7:21-23 apply to you?

BelieveItOarKnot · Aug 1, 2025

Aseyesee said:
Did God knowingly create his own adversary … twice? (Satan,man/flesh)

Your choices here are limited in the example of Jesus being tempted by/of Satan in the desert.

Either Jesus was Satan, tempting himself in the desert OR Satan was a separate agent aka the tempter, the spirit of disobedience, the devil, the great red dragon, leviathan, the tare, the goat, etc etc.

God is not the author of confusion, yet confused the language of the people at the tower of Babel.

There is a line of distinction drawn between people and devils. They are not treated the same by God

The more interesting aspect of scripture is, it shows us these two distinct agencies occupy the same pair of shoes.

With one sole exception, of course.

Jesus was tempter. But without sin.

None of us have that distinction.

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