I think I know what`s going on in society

Oreogutt said:

In America now, many makes videos about how toxic girls are, and girls makes videos about guys complaining. Only 2 % of men have a chance to get a girl, the girls say, the ones who makes the most money, are atleast 180 cm tall, and fit. Some men speculate it`s the girl`s genes, doing it, but I`m not so sure genes have a play in behaviour, you know, because of free will. The girls get`s more mature sooner, and sooner also, while the boys takes longer, so maybe girls wants younger ones I thought.

I have a different take on it. When humans first lived as natives in Africa together, they were perhaps only 100 people. Everyone could get children and a boy- or girlfriend, and be happy. But then we started to wander out of Africa, against the will of the more rooted people who had a bond to nature.

Since the world is getting overpopulated, maybe the genes in girls is starting to change, so that they won`t make as many children anymore. Hence the hostility towards boys, some get provoked even just by being looked at by a boy. But again, I`m not so sure genes regulate behaviour.

My point is, since we did something wrong, and wandered out of Africa, is this the consequence? That many won`t find love or get children? I can see the pain in girls, knowing they end up as catladies etc. and no children or boyfriend, is this the consequence of us wandering out of Africa? The world being overpopulated? Or, is is jut antisocial behaviour?

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Everyone can still get a girlfriend if they want, except men who prefer to live in their fantasies instead of the real world.

I think a lot of it is economic. More women going into the workforce but still having an evolutionary drive to have a man who financially provides.

If more and more women take high paying jobs that will leave less men with high paying jobs. As an egalitarian I am fine with this. But some women need to make peace with the fact that more women in the workforce means less financially attractive men.

Regardless, everything needs to be equal. I prefer younger women. I am not sexist for having these preferences anymore than a woman is sexist for hers.

I think as a society we need to be more honest and open about our evolved preferences.

I don't really understand why a man would be interested in such a woman, but if that's what you want there are plenty with that mindset who are available by the hour.

BCP1928 said:

I don't really understand why a man would be interested in such a woman, but if that's what you want there are plenty with that mindset who are available by the hour.

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Who are you talking to?

MehGuy said:

Who are you talking to?

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The OP seems to be complaining that he is unable to establish a relationship with the kind of woman he describes. I just question why he would want to.

Is this an incel thing?

BCP1928 said:

The OP seems to be complaining that he is unable to establish a relationship with the kind of woman he describes. I just question why he would want to.

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Oh, ok.

Oreogutt said:

In America now, many makes videos about how toxic girls are, and girls makes videos about guys complaining. Only 2 % of men have a chance to get a girl, the girls say, the ones who makes the most money, are atleast 180 cm tall, and fit. Some men speculate it`s the girl`s genes, doing it, but I`m not so sure genes have a play in behaviour, you know, because of free will. The girls get`s more mature sooner, and sooner also, while the boys takes longer, so maybe girls wants younger ones I thought.

I have a different take on it. When humans first lived as natives in Africa together, they were perhaps only 100 people. Everyone could get children and a boy- or girlfriend, and be happy. But then we started to wander out of Africa, against the will of the more rooted people who had a bond to nature.

Since the world is getting overpopulated, maybe the genes in girls is starting to change, so that they won`t make as many children anymore. Hence the hostility towards boys, some get provoked even just by being looked at by a boy. But again, I`m not so sure genes regulate behaviour.

My point is, since we did something wrong, and wandered out of Africa, is this the consequence? That many won`t find love or get children? I can see the pain in girls, knowing they end up as catladies etc. and no children or boyfriend, is this the consequence of us wandering out of Africa? The world being overpopulated? Or, is is jut antisocial behaviour?

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I don't think it's as dire as 2%, lol.

Fertility rates are dropping in most developed regions of the world. There could be some mechanism that is driving this due to overpopulation.

Same with less and less men reporting having sex. The incel community takes it too far, but I do think it's fair to say something is happening.

Not sure being out of Africa has relevance. A lot of populations have been out of Africa for tens of thousands of years.

Social media is probably also a factor. Women are flooded with attention from men. It's pretty easy for the average woman to exaggerate her looks online. Being overweight might even have a benefit in this regard. Since women can post in certain angles that appear very flattering. Even giving them an edge over thinner women. It's pretty easy to fall into a delusional mindset. Goes both ways really. Deep down many men know they are being lied to but like the fantasy anyways.

It is what it is though. I think if you are at least an average guy you should still be able to get a woman. I see plenty of average men with women.

Oreogutt said:

Well, they think they`re ugly, hence all the drama. Usually low intelligence, I guess. I know the things I described in first post is just them probably, but I feel sorry for them. I like all girls, so I feel a little sad about them rejecting people

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I think there is a lot of machismo type masochism in incel spaces.

Some of them are self aware. There are inner jokes like.. repeating phrases "It's over" and "brutal" with clearly exaggerated voices when describing the dating scene and men who do not measure up. While not an incel myself, I understand the emotional pull.

They post memes of pretty women looking at the camera with disgust. Somes of these memes are pretty similar to humiliation fetish photos and wouldn't be surprised if the same photos are even used between the two spaces.

Honestly, it's not a healthy space. We hear a lot about misogyny in incel spaces but really, a lot of it is just other men being mean to each other and mostly gaslighting others into depression and anger. Some are probably more self aware and in on it than others.

Oreogutt said:

In America now, many makes videos about how toxic girls are, and girls makes videos about guys complaining. Only 2 % of men have a chance to get a girl, the girls say, the ones who makes the most money, are atleast 180 cm tall, and fit.

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Someone so vain is not a woman I would want to get involved with. And how they are can affect how they see things. So, I would not go by what they think.

You are the only guy like you!! Any woman smart will evaluate you by how you are, not by what you look like or how much money you make.

So, be ready for discovering a lady who knows how to love.

Of course, you need to become able to genuinely love another person . . . so that you can connect with a genuinely loving woman.

This is what I understood about myself, anyway. So, I prayed for God to change me into a genuinely loving and caring person who is not only looking for a woman I can use for what I want.

Many miss out on love, in my opinion, because they are mainly about what they can use a woman to get for themselves.

And I well understood how I could be fake and not even have a clue that I was not for real. So, I trusted God to make me for real. And then I discovered my lady friend. And we have been with each other for over eleven years. And neither of us has even threatened to quit.

But does this mean I am genuine? No. But I will consider that during our time with each other > I have kept discovering how I need real deep correction so I can become really God's way in loving. So, no I did not start off perfect, but I have needed her so I can learn how to love with another person. And she can help me get corrected of my bad ways. And it seems I have been able to give her feedback that has helped her.

And the Bible has plenty about how to relate in love, what motives to have, depending on God who "is love" (in 1 John 4:8&16) and so greater and better than we are but willing and able to have us find out how to love and who He knows we can learn with.

I don't think that's accurate. Look around you & you will see every kind of person, man & woman both, date. Fat. Skinny. Jock. Nerdy. Shy. Blind. Poor. Rich. Short. Tall. White. Black. Etc.

It's all in your head

Oreogutt said:

In America now, many makes videos about how toxic girls are, and girls makes videos about guys complaining. Only 2 % of men have a chance to get a girl, the girls say, the ones who makes the most money, are atleast 180 cm tall, and fit. Some men speculate it`s the girl`s genes, doing it, but I`m not so sure genes have a play in behaviour, you know, because of free will.

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It's actually not girls that say this. It's the incel movement, a misogynistic movement where men who are too awkward to get the really hot girls and won't settle for girls that aren't hot BLAME WOMEN instead of themselves for the fact that they are alone.

Please do a reality check. In your experience, do only 2% of men have a relationship with a woman?

All human beings are programmed to want the best mate they can find. Both men AND women. What are the traits people want?

• Some things are particular to a particular person's personality. Some people want someone intelligent so they can have conversations on all sorts of subjects. Others want someone who is adventurous and wants to go skydiving.
• Some things are biologically ingrained: women prefer men who will provide for our children (meaning we have a preference for men who make more money), while men prefer women who are fertile (meaning young and hot). Neither inclination is fair, but it makes no sense to complain about nature.
• And some things are simply universal. We all like someone with a good sense of humor, who is mature and responsible, who isn't psychologically unhinged, etc.

Despite all that, most people manage to find a mate.


My advice to someone having a hard time finding a mate? Invest in a good counselor so that you can explore why. The odds are that there is something about you that is sabotaging your love life.

Oreogutt said:

Since the world is getting overpopulated, maybe the genes in girls is starting to change, so that they won`t make as many children anymore.

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It's not just women (please, girls are children) who are having fewer kids. Men are making this choice too.

However, it is true that women are being pickier about who we marry. Why? Because now that we are no longer held prisoner by economic dependence we don't have to settle. In a world where a woman couldn't survive without a husband, we were forced to settle for some very unsavory men. But we always wanted quality. That is not something new. The difference is that today we have the freedom to walk away from a bad deal.

The solution? Be a better quality man, one that women will want, one that women will stay with. If you need help doing that, then find a good counselor.

And one final word on having kids. In the past, the number one cause of death for women was complications of childbirth. The more kids you had, the greater the odds you died. But what could she do about it? Today we have contraception. So no, we aren't going to crank out 10 kids. Today we have the option to be something more than a baby machine. We can pursue education, career, travel, hobbies, and other interests. Basically, all the options that men have always had. It's a much better world.

Oreogutt said:

Hence the hostility towards boys, some get provoked even just by being looked at by a boy.

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Oh please. This is just such nonsense. Most women like men. You need to stop hanging around the manosphere.

But for sure we don't like jerks who whine and blame us that they can't get laid.

If women are complaining that you are "looking at them," it means you aren't just looking. You are leering. Looking means you glance at a woman long enough to notice she's there, and probably have thoughts about her, and then you look away again. Leering is when you stare inappropriately, and that's unnerving.

Oreogutt said:

My point is, since we did something wrong, and wandered out of Africa, is this the consequence?

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If you think this has anything to do with migrating out of Africa I don't know what to tell you. People all around the world have relationships, and always have.

Oreogutt said:

knowing they end up as catladies etc.

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What's wrong with being a cat lady? I love my cat. It doesn't mean I don't also love men. I think men are wonderful.

Oreogutt said:

is this the consequence of us wandering out of Africa? The world being overpopulated? Or, is is jut antisocial behaviour?

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D. None of the above.

MehGuy said:

If more and more women take high paying jobs that will leave less men with high paying jobs. As an egalitarian I am fine with this. But some women need to make peace with the fact that more women in the workforce means less financially attractive men.

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It does goes both ways. Men really don't like a woman who makes more money than them.

MehGuy said:

Regardless, everything needs to be equal. I prefer younger women. I am not sexist for having these preferences anymore than a woman is sexist for hers.

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Thank you! That's what I was just trying to tell him as well.

Larniavc said:

Is this an incel thing?

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Obviously.

MehGuy said:

Social media is probably also a factor. Women are flooded with attention from men.

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Quite true. But it's not the kind of attention we are looking for. The reason I stopped using online dating was because I kept running into men who were looking for someone to have sex with, but not someone to marry. I'm sure there ARE lots of men who would love to get married. But who wants to kiss a thousand frogs to find a prince? I find things work out much better finding someone the old fashioned way: meeting them in your house of worship or getting introduced by family and friends.

Oreogutt said:

Well, they think they`re ugly, hence all the drama. Usually low intelligence, I guess. I know the things I described in first post is just them probably, but I feel sorry for them. I like all girls, so I feel a little sad about them rejecting people

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Yeah, this is an incel thing.

Oreogutt said:

In America now, many makes videos about how toxic girls are, and girls makes videos about guys complaining. Only 2 % of men have a chance to get a girl, the girls say, the ones who makes the most money, are atleast 180 cm tall, and fit. Some men speculate it`s the girl`s genes, doing it, but I`m not so sure genes have a play in behaviour, you know, because of free will. The girls get`s more mature sooner, and sooner also, while the boys takes longer, so maybe girls wants younger ones I thought.

I have a different take on it. When humans first lived as natives in Africa together, they were perhaps only 100 people. Everyone could get children and a boy- or girlfriend, and be happy. But then we started to wander out of Africa, against the will of the more rooted people who had a bond to nature.

Since the world is getting overpopulated, maybe the genes in girls is starting to change, so that they won`t make as many children anymore. Hence the hostility towards boys, some get provoked even just by being looked at by a boy. But again, I`m not so sure genes regulate behaviour.

My point is, since we did something wrong, and wandered out of Africa, is this the consequence? That many won`t find love or get children? I can see the pain in girls, knowing they end up as catladies etc. and no children or boyfriend, is this the consequence of us wandering out of Africa? The world being overpopulated? Or, is is jut antisocial behaviour?

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When the mackrel come in it is jokingly said, "You can catch them on a toothbrush"


But deepsea fish swim in the deep.

What it all boils down to is fear--that if women get to decide for themselves who to go to bed with and when, some men might not get any.