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WHY WATER BAPTISM WILL DISAPPEAR AND THEN REAPPEAR !!

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The bible.

God, parted waters and there was Dry Land.
Moses, parted waters and there was Dry Land.
Elijah, parted waters and there was Dry Land.

John the baptizer who was the fulfillment of Elijah, baptized Jesus who afterwards was lead by the Holy Spirit into the dryest land that could be found, the desert wilderness. Like Moses, he fasted 40 days and 40 nights.

When Jesus died on the cross, He was Risen from the Dead after 3 days by the Father.

The typology of the third day of creation is juxtaposed to the imagery of baptism.

Even the dialogue in Acts where Jesus instructs to wait for the Holy Spirit is followed by 40 days of visions of Him and then "not many days" before the Holy Spirit was given.

Even now the Father is working hard to create the New Heaven and New Earth while we live in this one our ancestors ruined. The Death and Resurrection of Jesus was the fulfillment of the third day, and the beginning of the fourth.
Thanks for responding, even though you didn't actually answer my question.
 
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Thanks for responding, even though you didn't actually answer my question.
I answered the question "Would you mind telling us where you got that info ?"

The short answer is the bible. What follows is where.
 
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I answered the question "Would you mind telling us where you got that info ?"

The short answer is the bible. What follows is where.
You have taken a bunch of scriptures and combined them into your own interpretation.
I don't find your interpretation biblical.
This all stems from post 77, where you wrote..."The figures leading up to the death of Jesus Christ involved imitation of the third day of creation. Water was parted and there was dry land. Baptism is part of that witness."
It seems the only things your three thoughts here have in common, is water.
 
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You have taken a bunch of scriptures and combined them into your own interpretation.
I don't find your interpretation biblical.
This all stems from post 77, where you wrote..."The figures leading up to the death of Jesus Christ involved imitation of the third day of creation. Water was parted and there was dry land. Baptism is part of that witness."
It seems the only things your three thoughts here have in common, is water.
If you don't see it, then you don't see it. No big.
 
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You have taken a bunch of scriptures and combined them into your own interpretation.
I don't find your interpretation biblical.
This all stems from post 77, where you wrote..."The figures leading up to the death of Jesus Christ involved imitation of the third day of creation. Water was parted and there was dry land. Baptism is part of that witness."
It seems the only things your three thoughts here have in common, is water.
And you have said the BAPTISM is part of that witness ?

Do you have a verse , please !

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I cannot decipher what you wrote.

Yep, with water from the Jordan.

As it is written later that the Pharisees and scribes didn't believe John, (Luke 20:5), I cannot agree with your POV.
And BAPTISMA does not mean water IN THE Jordan. or any kind of water and in Rom 6:4. , Therefore we. were buried

together with Him through this BAPTISMA into the DEATH , how did that HAPPEN. ?
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And BAPTISMA does not mean water IN THE Jordan. or any kind of water and in Rom 6:4. , Therefore we. were buried

together with Him through this BAPTISMA into the DEATH , how n. did that HAPPEN. ??

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It happened at our water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of past sins. (Acts 2:38)
 
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One of the FIRST TIME the Greek word BAPTISM appears to me is in 1 Cor 10:2 and reads , And all were BAPTIZED TOGETHER

unto MOSES in the CLOUD and in the SEA ! Since their were thousands to cross the RED SEA and with thousand EGYTIANS following

them , and the Greek WATER // HUDOR is NOT in the Greek text .

By the way , What does the CLOUD and the SEA , mean ??

# 2 And in the book of Acts 1:5 is written , FOR // HOTI , is a CONJUNCATION

# 3 John // IOANNES , is in the NOMINATIVE CASE , and in the SIGNULAR

# 4 TRULY // MEN , is a PARTICILE DISJUNCATIVE

# 5 BAPTIZED // BAPTIZO , is in the Greek , AORIST TENSE , in the INDICATIVE MOOD , means yu better bekeve it , in te SINGULAR

# 6 WITH WATER // HYDOR , in the DATIVE CASE , in the SINGULAR , and in the NEUTER , meaning MALE and FEMALE

# 7 BUT // DE , is a ONJUNCATION PLEASE NOTICE THE BUTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

# 8 YE // HYMEIS , is a PERSONAL , POSSESSIVE PRONOUN , in the NOMINATIVE CASE , in the PLURAL

# 9 SHALL BE BAPTIZED , is in the FUTURE TENSE , PASSIVE VOICE , in the INDICATIVE MOOD , means you better belkeve it , PLURAL

and since it is in the Greek FUTURE TENSE it has not happened yet .

# 10 THE HOLY // in the DATIVE CASE , in the SINGULAR and in the NEUTER

# 11 SPIRIT // PNEUMA , in the DATIVE CASE , in the SIGNULAR and in the NETER

# 12 NOT // OU , is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICILE NEGATIVE

# 13 MANY DAYS // POLYS , in the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in te PLJRAL

# 14 HENCE // META , a PROPOSITION

These means WATER BAPTISM has moved on from WATER BAPTISM to HOLY SPIRIT BAPTISM , as in Eph 4:5 which reads

ONE LORD , ONE FAITH , ONE // HEIS and ONE // HEIS , means ONE BAPTISM , during this AGE of GRACE and we are SAVED

By Rom 10: 9- 10 , period

But Baptism will reappear for Israel in Eze 36 :25 when Israel and Judah become ONE STICK in EZE 37:15-28 , and ISRAEL

will BE BORN AGAIN , will ONLY happen to Israel in Eze 37 !

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Grace and peace to you in Christ Jesus, Dear Brother,

Wow! thank you for bringing such a rich and detailed breakdown of the Greek text! It’s clear you’ve put time and study into understanding the grammatical and contextual elements surrounding baptism, and I honor your effort to rightly divide the Word of Truth.

That said, let me gently and pastorally respond not to dispute, but to edify and build us up together in the Lord, as we seek His truth in love (Eph. 4:15).


1 Corinthians 10:2 – Baptized into Moses

You're absolutely right, this is a fascinating place where “baptism” shows up early, and it doesn’t mention water directly. Paul says:

“They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.”
Now, we know "baptism" (Greek: baptizo) means to be immersed, overwhelmed, or united with something. Here, it doesn’t refer to literal immersion in water, but rather a figurative identification with Moses' leadership and God's deliverance.

  • The cloud represents the presence and guidance of God remember, God led them by the cloud by day (Exo. 13:21).
  • The sea represents God’s miraculous deliverance through judgment and separation from Egypt (the world system).
So what does it mean?

It’s a type or foreshadowing of New Covenant baptism not merely a ritual, but a spiritual identification with the one God sends to lead us. In Moses’ case, it was the Old Covenant. In Christ’s case, it's the newness of life (Romans 6:3-4)!


Acts 1:5 and the Transition to Spirit Baptism

Yes! Jesus made it very clear:

“John baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

You did a thorough grammatical breakdown, praise God for students of the Word! The Greek tenses and cases help clarify the contrast Jesus makes:

  • Water baptism (past tense) was part of John's preparatory ministry.
  • Holy Spirit baptism (future tense) was the promise of the new covenant.
But here's the important pastoral point:

Jesus didn’t eliminate water baptism here—He was emphasizing the greater spiritual baptism to come at Pentecost. (Acts 2)
In fact, the same apostles who were filled with the Spirit in Acts 2 still commanded water baptism in Jesus’ name in Acts 2:38 and throughout the book.

So, while Spirit baptism is essential, water baptism was still practiced by the early church as a public sign of faith and obedience.


Ephesians 4:5 – One Baptism?

You highlighted this verse well:

“One Lord, one faith, one baptism…”

Absolutely! But let’s pause here. Some argue this must mean Spirit baptism only, while others say it includes both Spirit and water baptism as two expressions of one reality.
Think of it like this:
  • Spirit baptism brings the reality of union with Christ (1 Cor. 12:13).
  • Water baptism is the symbol and testimony of that union (Acts 8:36–38, Acts 10:47–48).
So the “one baptism” in Ephesians likely refers to the singular, unifying work of God, not the dismissal of water baptism but the unity of all believers, Jew or Gentile, through that spiritual act of regeneration and sealing by the Holy Spirit (Eph. 1:13).


Future Baptism of Israel? (Ezekiel 36–37)

Yes, Ezekiel 36:25 speaks of God cleansing Israel with clean water, a prophetic metaphor of spiritual renewal. And Ezekiel 37’s vision of dry bones coming to life is another clear picture of the Holy Spirit’s regenerating work on a national scale.

Here, we agree: God has a distinct prophetic plan for Israel. But this does not require the removal of water baptism in the current age, it simply affirms that God is not done with Israel, and that a mighty outpouring of His Spirit is coming!


Let’s tie it together;​

  • Water baptism has not been replaced but fulfilled and enriched through Spirit baptism.
  • We are saved by grace through faith (Rom. 10:9-10), but that saving faith is expressed through obedience, including water baptism (Acts 2:38).
  • The New Testament Church, even in the Age of Grace, continued both water and Spirit baptisms each serving their purpose in the discipleship journey.
  • And yes, God will once again breathe life into national Israel, Hallelujah!

Let’s Remember:​

Baptism isn't just a doctrine, it’s a testimony.
It tells the story of death to self, burial with Christ, and resurrection in the Spirit. Whether we're talking about Moses in the sea, Jesus at the Jordan, or you and me in our local church it all points to the transforming power of God through Christ!

I thank God for your passion and study. Let us keep searching the Scriptures together (John 5:39), and remain humble and teachable in spirit.

Maranatha! Our King is coming.


With love in Christ,
Pastor Waris,
Preaching Jesus. Reaching Souls.
 
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He is speaking to those he hopes will soon join the body of Christ.
3000 did later !

Yep, plus all the foreigners present.

He is speaking to those he hopes will join the church.

That sounds just like the church !
An assembly, of the called out !

If there is no word for water in the Greek, why do you keep providing one ?

All men are called to repent, of sin.
Where did it say they did not ?

I was baptized with the Holy Ghost shortly after I turned from sin and was water baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of my past sin.
Exactly like Peter said I would be, in Acts 2:38.
And point. # 2 MEANS Israel and not anyone else and foregners. was added by you and not in the Greek Text and why did

you add it ??

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Grace and peace to you in Christ Jesus, Dear Brother,

Wow! thank you for bringing such a rich and detailed breakdown of the Greek text! It’s clear you’ve put time and study into understanding the grammatical and contextual elements surrounding baptism, and I honor your effort to rightly divide the Word of Truth.

That said, let me gently and pastorally respond not to dispute, but to edify and build us up together in the Lord, as we seek His truth in love (Eph. 4:15).


1 Corinthians 10:2 – Baptized into Moses

You're absolutely right, this is a fascinating place where “baptism” shows up early, and it doesn’t mention water directly. Paul says:


Now, we know "baptism" (Greek: baptizo) means to be immersed, overwhelmed, or united with something. Here, it doesn’t refer to literal immersion in water, but rather a figurative identification with Moses' leadership and God's deliverance.

  • The cloud represents the presence and guidance of God remember, God led them by the cloud by day (Exo. 13:21).
  • The sea represents God’s miraculous deliverance through judgment and separation from Egypt (the world system).
So what does it mean?

It’s a type or foreshadowing of New Covenant baptism not merely a ritual, but a spiritual identification with the one God sends to lead us. In Moses’ case, it was the Old Covenant. In Christ’s case, it's the newness of life (Romans 6:3-4)!


Acts 1:5 and the Transition to Spirit Baptism

Yes! Jesus made it very clear:



You did a thorough grammatical breakdown, praise God for students of the Word! The Greek tenses and cases help clarify the contrast Jesus makes:

  • Water baptism (past tense) was part of John's preparatory ministry.
  • Holy Spirit baptism (future tense) was the promise of the new covenant.
But here's the important pastoral point:


In fact, the same apostles who were filled with the Spirit in Acts 2 still commanded water baptism in Jesus’ name in Acts 2:38 and throughout the book.

So, while Spirit baptism is essential, water baptism was still practiced by the early church as a public sign of faith and obedience.


Ephesians 4:5 – One Baptism?

You highlighted this verse well:



Absolutely! But let’s pause here. Some argue this must mean Spirit baptism only, while others say it includes both Spirit and water baptism as two expressions of one reality.
Think of it like this:
  • Spirit baptism brings the reality of union with Christ (1 Cor. 12:13).
  • Water baptism is the symbol and testimony of that union (Acts 8:36–38, Acts 10:47–48).
So the “one baptism” in Ephesians likely refers to the singular, unifying work of God, not the dismissal of water baptism but the unity of all believers, Jew or Gentile, through that spiritual act of regeneration and sealing by the Holy Spirit (Eph. 1:13).


Future Baptism of Israel? (Ezekiel 36–37)

Yes, Ezekiel 36:25 speaks of God cleansing Israel with clean water, a prophetic metaphor of spiritual renewal. And Ezekiel 37’s vision of dry bones coming to life is another clear picture of the Holy Spirit’s regenerating work on a national scale.

Here, we agree: God has a distinct prophetic plan for Israel. But this does not require the removal of water baptism in the current age, it simply affirms that God is not done with Israel, and that a mighty outpouring of His Spirit is coming!


Let’s tie it together;​

  • Water baptism has not been replaced but fulfilled and enriched through Spirit baptism.
  • We are saved by grace through faith (Rom. 10:9-10), but that saving faith is expressed through obedience, including water baptism (Acts 2:38).
  • The New Testament Church, even in the Age of Grace, continued both water and Spirit baptisms each serving their purpose in the discipleship journey.
  • And yes, God will once again breathe life into national Israel, Hallelujah!

Let’s Remember:​

Baptism isn't just a doctrine, it’s a testimony.
It tells the story of death to self, burial with Christ, and resurrection in the Spirit. Whether we're talking about Moses in the sea, Jesus at the Jordan, or you and me in our local church it all points to the transforming power of God through Christ!

I thank God for your passion and study. Let us keep searching the Scriptures together (John 5:39), and remain humble and teachable in spirit.

Maranatha! Our King is coming.


With love in Christ,
Pastor Waris,
Preaching Jesus. Reaching Souls.
And I checked the Greek text and did not find the Aorist Tense. in Acts 1: 5

Can you. say why , then was Jesus water baptized ?

Waiting for your answer ?

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And I checked the Greek text and did not find the Aorist Tense. in Acts 1: 5

Can you. say why , then was Jesus water baptized ?

Waiting for your answer ?
Beloved in Christ, Grace and peace to you!

Thank you for your thoughtful question it’s a good one, and one that brings us deeper into the heart of Scripture.
Let’s unpack this carefully, contextually, and spiritually, so we can grow together in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (2 Peter 3:18).

1. About the Greek and the Aorist Tense in Acts 1:5

You mentioned that you checked the Greek and didn’t find the aorist tense in Acts 1:5. Let’s take a closer look.
Here is the Greek phrase in Acts 1:5:

ὅτι Ἰωάννης μὲν ἐβάπτισεν ὕδατι, ὑμεῖς δὲ βαπτισθήσεσθε ἐν Πνεύματι Ἁγίῳ…

The word ἐβάπτισεν ("baptized") is actually in the Aorist Active Indicative, third person singular referring to John’s water baptism as a completed action in the past.
So yes, Jesus does refer to John's water baptism using the aorist tense, signifying a historical fact it happened, it’s done, it served its purpose.

But here’s the key: Jesus contrasts that completed action with what will soon happen, "you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit" which is in the Future Passive Indicative, showing that the Spirit baptism is not yet fulfilled at the time of speaking (but coming soon at Pentecost).

So, the grammar confirms the contrast between past water baptism and future Spirit baptism, rather than eliminating one or exalting the other beyond context.

2. Why Then Was Jesus Water Baptized?

This is a powerful question and it brings us to the heart of Jesus' humility and mission.

Let’s ask ourselves first:
Did Jesus need to repent? No.
Was He a sinner? Absolutely not. (Hebrews 4:15)

So then why was He baptized by John? Here's the answer, straight from Jesus’ own lips in Matthew 3:15:

“Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.”

Let’s unpack that:

a) To Fulfill Righteousness

Jesus wasn't baptized because He needed cleansing, but because He came to identify with sinners. He stepped into the waters on our behalf, showing that He would bear our sin, walk our path, and be our substitute.

His baptism was a prophetic act a preview of His death (going under) and resurrection (coming up) (Romans 6:4).

To Publicly Begin His Ministry

His baptism marked the official start of His earthly mission. The heavens opened, the Spirit descended, and the Father declared:

“This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” (Matthew 3:17)

This divine moment authenticated His identity and commissioned His work as Messiah.

c) To Set an Example for Us

Jesus never asks us to do something He wasn’t willing to do Himself. Though He was sinless, He modeled baptism to show us the importance of obedience, submission, and public declaration of faith.

He walked into the waters not for Himself but for us.
So when someone asks, “Why was Jesus baptized in water?”, the answer is:

Not because He needed it but because we did.

He did it to fulfill righteousness, to identify with us, to publicly begin His mission, and to model obedience for every believer who would follow Him.

Baptism both water and Spirit is not a religious formality. It’s a divine invitation to enter into the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Let Me Encourage You:​

Instead of viewing water baptism as something that will “disappear,” let’s view it as something that Jesus Himself dignified, and something that the apostles consistently practiced in the book of Acts even after Pentecost.

But even greater let's rejoice that both water and Spirit baptism point us to the greater reality: a heart made new by Jesus, washed clean, filled with the Spirit, and walking in victory.

Thank you for your hunger for truth. I honor it. Let’s keep diving deep, together in Christ.

In the grace and truth of our Lord,
Pastor Waris,
pastor.waris777@gmail.com

"Preaching Jesus. Reaching Souls."
Maranatha!
 
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Beloved in Christ, Grace and peace to you!

Thank you for your thoughtful question it’s a good one, and one that brings us deeper into the heart of Scripture.
Let’s unpack this carefully, contextually, and spiritually, so we can grow together in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (2 Peter 3:18).

1. About the Greek and the Aorist Tense in Acts 1:5

You mentioned that you checked the Greek and didn’t find the aorist tense in Acts 1:5. Let’s take a closer look.
Here is the Greek phrase in Acts 1:5:



The word ἐβάπτισεν ("baptized") is actually in the Aorist Active Indicative, third person singular referring to John’s water baptism as a completed action in the past.
So yes, Jesus does refer to John's water baptism using the aorist tense, signifying a historical fact it happened, it’s done, it served its purpose.

But here’s the key: Jesus contrasts that completed action with what will soon happen, "you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit" which is in the Future Passive Indicative, showing that the Spirit baptism is not yet fulfilled at the time of speaking (but coming soon at Pentecost).

So, the grammar confirms the contrast between past water baptism and future Spirit baptism, rather than eliminating one or exalting the other beyond context.

2. Why Then Was Jesus Water Baptized?

This is a powerful question and it brings us to the heart of Jesus' humility and mission.

Let’s ask ourselves first:
Did Jesus need to repent? No.
Was He a sinner? Absolutely not. (Hebrews 4:15)

So then why was He baptized by John? Here's the answer, straight from Jesus’ own lips in Matthew 3:15:



Let’s unpack that:

a) To Fulfill Righteousness

Jesus wasn't baptized because He needed cleansing, but because He came to identify with sinners. He stepped into the waters on our behalf, showing that He would bear our sin, walk our path, and be our substitute.

His baptism was a prophetic act a preview of His death (going under) and resurrection (coming up) (Romans 6:4).

To Publicly Begin His Ministry

His baptism marked the official start of His earthly mission. The heavens opened, the Spirit descended, and the Father declared:



This divine moment authenticated His identity and commissioned His work as Messiah.

c) To Set an Example for Us

Jesus never asks us to do something He wasn’t willing to do Himself. Though He was sinless, He modeled baptism to show us the importance of obedience, submission, and public declaration of faith.

He walked into the waters not for Himself but for us.
So when someone asks, “Why was Jesus baptized in water?”, the answer is:



He did it to fulfill righteousness, to identify with us, to publicly begin His mission, and to model obedience for every believer who would follow Him.

Baptism both water and Spirit is not a religious formality. It’s a divine invitation to enter into the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Let Me Encourage You:​

Instead of viewing water baptism as something that will “disappear,” let’s view it as something that Jesus Himself dignified, and something that the apostles consistently practiced in the book of Acts even after Pentecost.

But even greater let's rejoice that both water and Spirit baptism point us to the greater reality: a heart made new by Jesus, washed clean, filled with the Spirit, and walking in victory.

Thank you for your hunger for truth. I honor it. Let’s keep diving deep, together in Christ.

In the grace and truth of our Lord,
Pastor Waris,
pastor.waris777@gmail.com

"Preaching Jesus. Reaching Souls."
Maranatha!
And will have to come to say , why. Jesus was Water Baptized as I am closing where I work .

AND you are correct that the Greek word BAPTIZED /. BAPTIZO. , is in the Aorist Tense. , Active Voice ,

in. the Indicative Mood , in the Singular .

AND if I have it right , Rom 6:4 , The Greek here is Not Baptized into the Death , is the Greek word BAPTISMA

into the Death , is in the Genitive Case. in the Signular. and in the Neuter .

See you Thursday as we are closed Wednesday.

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And will have to come to say , why. Jesus was Water Baptized as I am closing where I work .

AND you are correct that the Greek word BAPTIZED /. BAPTIZO. , is in the Aorist Tense. , Active Voice ,

in. the Indicative Mood , in the Singular .

AND if I have it right , Rom 6:4 , The Greek here is Not Baptized into the Death , is the Greek word BAPTISMA

into the Death , is in the Genitive Case. in the Signular. and in the Neuter .

See you Thursday as we are closed Wednesday.

dan p
And in. Heb. 5:6 Christ will be a High Priest after the order off Melchizedek. in. the Mil Kingdom. .

And in Heb 7:3 Melelchizek , with out father , with noun mother , with out genealogy. , having neither beginning of days nor end of

life , , but made like the Son pot God , remain s a priest continually. , is why Jesus had to be BAPTIZED , HAVE TO HAVE DINNER !!
 
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And point. # 2 MEANS Israel and not anyone else and foregners. was added by you and not in the Greek Text and why did

you add it ??

dan p
Why would it mean 'not anyone else' ?
As 3000 were later added to the church, (Acts 2:41), we have no evidence that they were all Israelites.
We also know that there were men from many foreign countries. (Acts 2:8-11)
Are they not "foreigners" ?
 
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And will have to come to say , why. Jesus was Water Baptized as I am closing where I work .

AND you are correct that the Greek word BAPTIZED /. BAPTIZO. , is in the Aorist Tense. , Active Voice ,

in. the Indicative Mood , in the Singular .

AND if I have it right , Rom 6:4 , The Greek here is Not Baptized into the Death , is the Greek word BAPTISMA

into the Death , is in the Genitive Case. in the Signular. and in the Neuter .

See you Thursday as we are closed Wednesday.

dan p
And do you mean BAPTIZED into Christ. Jesus were Baptized into his DEATH , how did that happen. ?? Was it WATER BAPTISM

Baptism is one of the. the BIGGEST Dividers in. the Body of Christ .

Ever READ , Mark 16:16-18 , and he that BELIEVETH. and is BAPTIZED shall be Saved and these Signs. shall follow

want signs ? And where is the WATER /. HYDOR. ??

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And will have to come to say , why. Jesus was Water Baptized as I am closing where I work .

AND you are correct that the Greek word BAPTIZED /. BAPTIZO. , is in the Aorist Tense. , Active Voice ,

in. the Indicative Mood , in the Singular .

AND if I have it right , Rom 6:4 , The Greek here is Not Baptized into the Death , is the Greek word BAPTISMA

into the Death , is in the Genitive Case. in the Signular. and in the Neuter .

See you Thursday as we are closed Wednesday.
Thank you sincerely, beloved Brother in Christ, for your kind words of appreciation and encouragement. I would be honored to remain in fellowship with you and grow together in the knowledge and grace of our Lord.
 
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And do you mean BAPTIZED into Christ. Jesus were Baptized into his DEATH , how did that happen. ?? Was it WATER BAPTISM

Baptism is one of the. the BIGGEST Dividers in. the Body of Christ .

Ever READ , Mark 16:16-18 , and he that BELIEVETH. and is BAPTIZED shall be Saved and these Signs. shall follow

want signs ? And where is the WATER /. HYDOR. ??
Blessings in Christ, Dear Brother,

Thank you for raising such an important and heartfelt question one that touches the very core of our faith, the meaning of baptism, and the unity of the Body of Christ.

I can feel your passion for truth and your longing to understand what baptism truly means, especially in light of Scriptures like Romans 6, Mark 16, and the Greek nuances like HYDOR (water). Let’s walk through this together, not to argue, but to seek clarity and unity in the Word of God.

“Baptized into His Death” What Does It Mean?​

You asked a direct question:
"Do you mean baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death how did that happen? Was it water baptism?"
Let’s go to the source Romans 6:3-4:
“Don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? We were buried with Him through baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead… we too may live a new life.”
Now, pause with me here…
Paul isn’t talking about getting wet.
He’s talking about something supernatural.
This is not just water baptism this is Spirit-union baptism. A spiritual immersion into the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Water baptism is the outward sign of that inward reality. It’s the visible testimony of what has already occurred in the spiritual realm the moment a person is born again buried with Christ and raised to new life.

So when Paul says we’re baptized into Christ’s death, he’s speaking primarily of the Holy Spirit’s work of regeneration (Titus 3:5), which happens by faith, not by water.

So Where Does Water Come In?​

That’s a great question you asked:
“Where is the water HYDOR—in these texts?”
In Romans 6, the focus is not on the element (water) but on the union with Christ.
However, let’s not forget: the early church still practiced water baptism as a response to faith. Look at Acts 2:38, Acts 8:36–38, Acts 10:47–48. Water was still very present but always following belief, not replacing it.
So while HYDOR (water) isn’t mentioned in Romans 6, it is used in other places. But the New Testament consistently emphasizes the heart transformation, not the physical ritual.

Gospel of Mark 16:16 – What About That?​

You quoted it perfectly:
“He who believes and is baptized will be saved, but he who does not believe will be condemned.”
(Mark 16:16)
Now let's carefully unpack this.
  1. Belief comes first.
    Notice condemnation is tied to unbelief, not the absence of baptism.
  2. Baptism is the response of faith, not the cause of salvation.
    Just as confession follows belief (Romans 10:9–10), baptism follows salvation. It’s an obedient testimony, not a magical ritual.
  3. Regarding the “signs” that follow it’s true that miraculous signs followed the early apostles and evangelists. But even in Scripture, not every believer performed signs yet all were fully saved and Spirit-filled (see 1 Cor. 12:29–30).
We don’t pursue signs to prove salvation we pursue Christ, and signs may follow as He wills.

“Baptism is One of the BIGGEST Dividers in the Church…”​

Sadly, that’s true.
And I believe Satan delights in seeing the Church divided over a sacred act that was meant to unify us in Christ.
Let me encourage you with this:
There is one Lord, one faith, and one baptism (Eph. 4:5) but that one baptism is ultimately the spiritual baptism that places us into the Body of Christ (1 Cor. 12:13), whether Jew or Gentile, male or female, slave or free.
Water baptism is important, but it is not the divider human tradition and rigid theology are. Jesus desires that we be one, as He and the Father are one (John 17:21). Let us be zealous for truth, but clothed in love.

Dear friend, you asked how we were baptized into Christ’s death.
By grace through faith, when the Holy Spirit united us with Jesus in His death and resurrection.
And was that done through water?

No not the act of water baptism itself
, but by the Spirit’s work through faith.
Water baptism is the outward confession of that inward transformation.
So yes, water has its place. But it points us to a much deeper baptism the one that truly saves:
“Not the removal of dirt from the body, but the pledge of a good conscience toward God.” (1 Peter 3:21)

I honor your hunger for the truth. I honor your desire for clarity. And I believe the Holy Spirit is using you to provoke important conversations in the Body of Christ.

Let’s keep seeking Jesus, the One who baptizes with the Holy Spirit and with fire (Matt. 3:11).

In His life and truth,
Pastor Waris

Preaching Jesus. Reaching Souls.
Maranatha!
 
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for your rely on Controverial Christian Theolory !
I know of no other source other than God‘s word, His scripture, to lead us and guide us into all understanding… Do you?
 
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I know of no other source other than God‘s word, His scripture, to lead us and guide us into all understanding… Do you?
This what I believe and THE APOSTLE to the Gentile wrote by. the Holy Spirit !

To make all. to ,present your self accepted. by God a workman having no shame RIGHTLY DIVIDING. the word of. Truith

is my Goal and to become an IMITATOR of. ME. , Paul , just as I also am of Christ !! 1 Cor 11:1. , Do you ?

The main reason that Baptism stops is because Israel was SET SIDE IN. ACTS 28:25 and 26 and Baptism

will appear again during The Great Tribulation in. Mark 16. -18. !!

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