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I was raised in as traditional Roman Catholic as I think you could get.

My father was a seminary graduate, spoke Latin and German - could read Hebrew. The only reason he didn't become a priest is that he fell in love with my mother. I went to a Catholic school through most of my elementary and high school life I can still sing Latin and understand the Latin masses.

I left the church in my late teens and became an agnostic. If there was a God, I was not sure, but I was scared to say there wasn't in case I was wrong. Graduated High School and college, spent time with the DOD and towards the end of that assignment I had a one on one encounter with Jesus Christ that completely changed my life.

I tried going back to the Roman Catholic church because it was my roots, but it was lifeless to me. I found an Assemblies of God Church and WOW! What a difference. Fast forward 40 years and I am an Ordained minister - Assemblies of God pastor and I minister in Europe and the Middle East, training ministers.

Without bashing or tearing down the RCC - what difference have you experienced since you left.

With me - the biggest is the intimacy with Christ.

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I was raised in as traditional Roman Catholic as I think you could get.

My father was a seminary graduate, spoke Latin and German - could read Hebrew. The only reason he didn't become a priest is that he fell in love with my mother. I went to a Catholic school through most of my elementary and high school life I can still sing Latin and understand the Latin masses.

I left the church in my late teens and became an agnostic. If there was a God, I was not sure, but I was scared to say there wasn't in case I was wrong. Graduated High School and college, spent time with the DOD and towards the end of that assignment I had a one on one encounter with Jesus Christ that completely changed my life.

I tried going back to the Roman Catholic church because it was my roots, but it was lifeless to me. I found an Assemblies of God Church and WOW! What a difference. Fast forward 40 years and I am an Ordained minister - Assemblies of God pastor and I minister in Europe and the Middle East, training ministers.

Without bashing or tearing down the RCC - what difference have you experienced since you left.

With me - the biggest is the intimacy with Christ.

Thoughts?
Your experience sounds very much like that of Jeff Cavins.
 
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I was raised in as traditional Roman Catholic as I think you could get.

My father was a seminary graduate, spoke Latin and German - could read Hebrew. The only reason he didn't become a priest is that he fell in love with my mother. I went to a Catholic school through most of my elementary and high school life I can still sing Latin and understand the Latin masses.

I left the church in my late teens and became an agnostic. If there was a God, I was not sure, but I was scared to say there wasn't in case I was wrong. Graduated High School and college, spent time with the DOD and towards the end of that assignment I had a one on one encounter with Jesus Christ that completely changed my life.

I tried going back to the Roman Catholic church because it was my roots, but it was lifeless to me. I found an Assemblies of God Church and WOW! What a difference. Fast forward 40 years and I am an Ordained minister - Assemblies of God pastor and I minister in Europe and the Middle East, training ministers.

Without bashing or tearing down the RCC - what difference have you experienced since you left.

With me - the biggest is the intimacy with Christ.

Thoughts?
My story was much like your’s including the encounter and the AOG church, looking for that life, that real faith that would unapologetically manifest itself in the works of the Holy Spirit. And I didn’t find it there; I found little more than an aspiration for it, but not the real thing. My journey would take me further on, to a Catholic Bible study as a replacement for a family member who had dropped out. I was going to evangelize these sleepers in their own home! But I began to find something I hadn’t expected; I began to see and appreciate a quieter and humbler faith that I hadn’t recognized before in these Catholics. And, very much to my surprise, I began to find myself more interested in the CC and to studying its teachings for myself. I began attending Catholic Charismatic meetings which served as sort of a temporary bridge between Pentecostalism and Catholicism but in the end it was the basic teachings, backed up by history, especially the ECFs, that impressed me. I couldn’t turn away, and ultimately found myself full circle back to the doors of the church that I’d left behind some 25 years earlier, now excited by the treasure of the teachings that were received and preserved and proclaimed, sometimes better, sometimes worse, for the previous 2 millennia. It didn’t matter whether or not the worship was less exciting; I wasn’t there to be entertained. You got me on the Latin, however, as I couldn’t much remember it even tho I served as an altar boy pre Vat II.

Anyway, it’s a much longer story and I’m not meaning to offend-that was just my story.
 
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Your experience sounds very much like that of Jeff Cavins.
Who is that?
My story was much like your’s including the encounter and the AOG church, looking for that life, that real faith that would unapologetically manifest itself in the works of the Holy Spirit. And I didn’t find it there; I found little more than an aspiration for it, but not the real thing. My journey would take me further on, to a Catholic Bible study as a replacement for a family member who had dropped out. I was going to evangelize these sleepers in their own home! But I began to find something I hadn’t expected; I began to see and appreciate a quieter and humbler faith that I hadn’t recognized before in these Catholics. And, very much to my surprise, I began to find myself more interested in the CC and to studying its teachings for myself. I began attending Catholic Charismatic meetings which served as sort of a temporary bridge between Pentecostalism and Catholicism but in the end it was the basic teachings, backed up by history, especially the ECFs, that impressed me. I couldn’t turn away, and ultimately found myself full circle back to the doors of the church that I’d left behind some 25 years earlier, now excited by the treasure of the teachings that were received and preserved and proclaimed, sometimes better, sometimes worse, for the previous 2 millennia. It didn’t matter whether or not the worship was less exciting; I wasn’t there to be entertained. You got me on the Latin, however, as I couldn’t much remember it even tho I served as an altar boy pre Vat II.

Anyway, it’s a much longer story and I’m not meaning to offend-that was just my story.
no offence taken - thanks for sharing!
 
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Without bashing or tearing down the RCC - what difference have you experienced since you left.

Shortly after drifting away from Catholicism in the early '70s, I physically relocated and began hearing the Word of God spoken on Christian radio, on Christian television, in Christian music, from new persons I was encountering. (This was now the early '80s, when solid Biblical teaching was still plentiful on the airwaves.) I began reading the Bible for myself. The Scriptures ... the Bible ... the Word of God ... became *alive* to me. And I was born again.
 
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I was raised in as traditional Roman Catholic as I think you could get.

My father was a seminary graduate, spoke Latin and German - could read Hebrew. The only reason he didn't become a priest is that he fell in love with my mother. I went to a Catholic school through most of my elementary and high school life I can still sing Latin and understand the Latin masses.

I left the church in my late teens and became an agnostic. If there was a God, I was not sure, but I was scared to say there wasn't in case I was wrong. Graduated High School and college, spent time with the DOD and towards the end of that assignment I had a one on one encounter with Jesus Christ that completely changed my life.
Thanks for sharing your testimony. I love hearing testimonies of what God has done in a person's life.
May God continue to bless!
 
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Since this is a thread "For those who have left the Catholic Church" ...

I wonder how many left the RCC, and then tried to return, only to leave again?

For myself, I genuinely tried twice to return after my born again experience. I mentally and emotionally worked really hard (studied Catholicism) to do the returns because I had such fond memories of the Traditional RCC. Emotionally, I really wanted to make it work. But when I got there both times, I found I just didn't 'fit in' there anymore. I had spiritually been changed much more than I realized or fully understood.

So, no more returns for me either.
 
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The difference is, I will not be returning.
Well, never say never, as they say. For myself it took many years, and some surprises along the way. And, once I understood something of the history of the Church and its basic teachings it was very difficult to entertain Protestant theology as being reformative in any relevant or necessary way.

And I wasn't trying to return and wasn't particularly impressed by anything Catholic; I was quite anti-Catholic at the time, in fact.
 
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Well, never say never, as they say. For myself it took many years, and some surprises along the way. And, once I understood something of the history of the Church and its basic teachings it was very difficult to entertain Protestant theology as being reformative in any relevant or necessary way.

And I wasn't trying to return and wasn't particularly impressed by anything Catholic; I was quite anti-Catholic at the time, in fact.
I am not anti-Catholic in anyway shape or form. But after 40 years two masters degrees being a pastor and helping plant 3500 Pentecostal churches on three continents I don’t think there’s anything that could drive me back to the Catholic Church too busy right now.
 
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To 'leave' does not make one anti-Catholic. It is a mistake to assume so.

To leave just makes one to be following the Lord's direction for their life, and not the pope's.
 
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I am not anti-Catholic in anyway shape or form. But after 40 years two masters degrees being a pastor and helping plant 3500 Pentecostal churches on three continents I don’t think there’s anything that could drive me back to the Catholic Church too busy right now.
Ok, and there are plenty of highly credentialed scholars on all sides of the various theological divides, of course-and I'm admittedly not one of them. In any case I believe a study of historical church understanding and teachings is one of the most valuable undertakings anyone can embark upon.
 
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To 'leave' does not make one anti-Catholic. It is a mistake to assume so.

To leave just makes one to be following the Lord's direction for their life, and not the pope's.
Or...to return might be following the Lord's direction for their life, and not anyone else's.
 
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Or...to return might be following the Lord's direction for their life, and not anyone else's.
No argument there.

I give you no argument, for following what you believe to be the Lord's direction for your life.
And I respect your decision to do so.
 
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No argument there.

I give you no argument, for following what you believe to be the Lord's direction for your life.
And I respect your decision to do so.
Thank you-and yes, I agree, we're bound to follow our consciences on these matters, both as a right and a duty.
 
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Ok, and there are plenty of highly credentialed scholars on all sides of the various theological divides, of course-and I'm admittedly not one of them. In any case I believe a study of historical church understanding and teachings is one of the most valauble undertakings anyone can embark upon.
Very happy for you.

Hope the feeling is mutual
 
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Very happy for you.

Hope the feeling is mutual
Yes, of course it is. I love the freedom we have, to think for ourselves, to seek the truth wherever it might lead. And because I appreciate the struggle that goes with this, I also appreciate and honor anyone who's seriously set off on that journey, which, in a sense, should be never-ending.
 
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As someone who went the other way - Protestant to Catholic - I stick with the RCC because I think it's closest to the truth.

It may not always have the liveliest worship services; there may be too much emphasis on aspects of liturgy; and priests might be a mixed bag, but I thiink it's the original.

My old Protesant pastor was getting fed up with Protestant divisions in his later years. A few years after he died and after I'd become Catholic, he turned up in one vision one night and said 'The Catholic Church is closest to the truth" with a distinct emphasis on the word 'closest'. Then he just diapppeared again.

He had predicted I'd become Catholic when I was still in his church, and he also warned me prior to his death way back in 1992 that he thought after I'd become Catholic there would be news of pedophile cases in the church, adding "... and I think there's going to be a lot of them!"

Of course he was accurate in that. At least I wasn't surprised when the news started to hit the fan. But the fact there was a small minority of pedophile priests (with most priests having nothing to do with it) does not negate the church's authority, granted by Christ via Peter and the Apostles. I also believe there are a handful of Popes in hell, but that doesn't negate the authority of the papal office any more than Watergate negated the authority of the US Presidency. The authority comes from the office announced by Christ - not the man who happens to be in the chair.

So I just keep plodding on, and won't be moving to the Protestants or Orthodox.
 
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I might have joined the RCC as I was considering it when two things happened that caused me to become Orthodox when my traditionalist friend Fr. Steven retired from the Episcopal Church, namely, the unexpected retirement of Pope Benedict XVI, memory eternal, and the abduction of the Syriac Orthodox Archbishop and the Antiochian Orthodox Metropolitan of Aleppo while the two were riding back from Lebanon in a car. I had always been fascinated with Orthodoxy, and had grieved for the Serbian Orthodox and Allbanian Orthodox Christians in Kosovo who were persecuted over a decade previously, and during the siege of the Church of the Nativity in 2002 I was greatly upset, and in my youth the Soviet Union and its repression of Orthodox and other Christians was very much in my mind, and the subsequent suffering of those same Christians in the economic collapse that followed the political collapse of the Soviet regime.

But I think Orthodox Catholic - Roman Catholic reconciliation is extremely important, although first I believe that the reunification of the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox, which is in progress, but naturally takes a long time and is not helped by the inaccurate information about the OOs posted by schismatic Old Calendarists on sites like orthodoxinfo.com (they are unaware that ancient Monophysitism is extinct, and the beliefs of the Oriental Orthodox as demonstrated through their worship is the same as ours, indeed, the hymn Ho Monogenes was most likely written by St. Severus of Antioch and added to the liturgy by Emperor Justinian, who married a Syriac Orthodox woman, St. Theodora, venerated in both communions (the Eastern Orthodox venerate her for her piety and the Oriental Orthodox venerate her for advising St. Jacob bar Addai that the Imperial authorities were arresting and perhaps executing all of the Miaphysite bishops of Antioch, of whom he alone survived or remained free, and ordained hundreds of bishops acting sola, which is allowed in emergency conditions, which made it impossible for the Syriac church to be decapitated. The belief that St. Athanasius wrote Ho Monogenes is most likely of Armenian origin, as the Armenians rival the Copts and Ethiopians for their veneration of St. Athanasius, and had a schism with the Syriac Orthodox and apparently are the only Oriental Orthodox church where St. Severus is not widely venerated (and was for a time regarded as heterodox).

However, it seems possible that Roman Catholic - Assyrian, or rather I should say Chaldean Catholic - Assyrian relations could begin sooner; an initial advance was rebuffed by the Holy Synod of the Assyrian Church of the East because of concerns that it would mean the end of their autocephalous status, which they have enjoyed de facto since the evangelization of the Ephesus to Kerala, India trade route by Saints Thomas, Addai and Mari in the first century (as an autonomous church under the Patriarch of Antioch, and later as a fully independent and autocephalous church responsible for all territories beyond the Eastern border of the Roman Empire, streching to Socotra off the coast of Yemen in the Southwest, Urmia and Merv in the Northwest, and to Mongolia in the Northeast, and Tibet in the Southeast, with major population centers in the Nineveh Plains, Seleucia-Cstesiphon, near Old Babylon and modern day Baghdad, and Kerala. Indeed the Chaldean Catholics are members of an Assyrian tribe, the Chaldinaya, Arabic speaking Assyrians chiefly in the city of Baghdad.

Thus we have the question of preserving the autocephalous status our churches are assured under Canons 6 and 7 of the Council of Nicaea in the case of Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem, and other canons in the case of Cyprus and constantinople, and by extension, all other autocephalous churches (since if Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem and Constantinople have the same authority as Rome in their jurisidictions, that includes the authority to organize new autonomous and autocephalous churches, although lately the current Greek Orthodox Archbishop of North America became notorious as Metropolitan of Bursa (which under his tenure went from an actual Metropolis with one church to a titular Metropolis with no churches, which is unfortunate since Bursa is approximately where Chalcedon was, and there were 15 or so members at the remaining Orthodox church there), by claiming that only the Ecumenical Patriarchate has the power to grant, and even more controversly, to revoke, autocephaly (indeed the controversial tomos of autocephaly granted to the OCU in 2018 appears to give the EP this ability), but it is the case that Constantinople refuses to recognize the autocephalous status of the Orthodox Church in America, despite the OCA having been granted autocephaly in 1970 by the MP.

There is also the important question of the liturgy - from an Orthodox perspective the Novus Ordo Missae comes across as being a bit too close to the liturgies of the mainline churches, often lacking the elements of the ars celebrandi which some dismiss as “bells and smells” which characterize the Traditional Latin Mass and contibute so much to the liturgical beauty of the Orthodox churches and indeed most of the Eastern Rite Catholics, with the exception of the Maronites and some of the Mar Thoma churches (indeed I have even seen celebration versus populum in a Chaldean Catholic church, which would not be something the Assyrians would want to see). Among Byzantine Rite Catholics, paradoxically, in North America the Ukrainian Greek Catholics have liturgy that is less Latinized and in some cases closer to the Ukrainian Orthodox liturgy of the UOC and the UOC-KP than the worship of the OCU, which has adopted the Byzantine style phelonion (a cope-like chasuble) instead of the high-cut Athonite phelonions traditionally used in Ukraine (one of the three main varieties, along with the Athonite phelonion used on Mount Athos and in Russia, Belarus, the Church of Finland (also under the EP) and the Slavonic parishes of the OCA, and the Byzantine Phelonion which lacks the raised collar and is draped over the shoulders like the Western cope, the Gothic-style chasuble or the Syriac Orthodox phayno (and its Maronite equivalent).
 
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