New study reveals crippling impact of California's minimum wage hike

iluvatar5150 said:

This is such nonsense. Fast food was never primarily an entry-level job for high schoolers.

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You left out the rest if my sentence. I wonder why. It most certainly was and is. When I worked at McDonalds and Burger King 95% of the workers were part time workers. College kids, high schoolers and some adults who just needed some extra money.

I dont know if that was the intent when McDonalds was created, but its been that way for a VERY long time. The only people who worked full time were the managers.

70% of fast food workers are part time.

iluvatar5150 said:

Under your theory,

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Its not a theory. 70% of fast food workers are 16-24. The young demographic I have been talking about.

All which match my observations. Perhaps you ought to get out more.

rjs330 said:

Once again those hamburger flipper jobs were never intended for that. It was intended for young inexperienced workers or people just looking for part time or temp work.

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No, they're not. They're intended to be a tool for the owner to generate profit. That's it. They're no different than any other job in that regard.

rjs330 said:

Instead you'd rather cut people off, raise prices and limit their opportunities. Then you want to pay them for not working after you've put them in that position.

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Working them longer and paying them less for it also limits their opportunities.

BCP1928 said:

Still no numbers, no actual data, just magical thinking.

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See post 99.

rjs330 said:

You left out the rest if my sentence.

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lol, no I did not. This is your entire post:

rjs330 said:

It still is. Do you believe that those employees at $20 an hour are all full timers?

Thats 18,000 fewer jobs to be had for t he temporary workers, the teens and college students to have.

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I wonder why.

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Because you're failing to follow along and read what both of us actually wrote.

rjs330 said:

It most certainly was and is. When I worked at McDonalds and Burger King 95% of the workers were part time workers. College kids, high schoolers and some adults who just needed some extra money.

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How long ago was with? 40 years? 50?

The notion that full-time students can be the majority of staff a fast-food restaurant is ludicrous and was never true unless these folks were taking night classes.

70% of fast food workers are part time.

Its not a theory. 70% of fast food workers are 16-24. The young demographic I have been talking about.

All which match my observations. Perhaps you ought to get out more.

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You're moving the goalposts.

I never said the workers weren't predominantly young or part-time. Of course they are. I was rebutting the notion that they were students.

I'll also point out that, of that 16-24 demographic, the overwhelming majority of them are adults. Is there something about a 19yo adult that warrants them being paid less than a 25yo adult or a 35yo adult in that job?

iluvatar5150 said:

No, they're not. They're intended to be a tool for the owner to generate profit. That's it. They're no different than any other job in that regard.

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You are just trying to be obstinate here. I think you know good and well what I'm talking about. We've had these discussions enough.

iluvatar5150 said:

Working them longer and paying them less for it also limits their opportunities.

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Now rhe worker just has to work more jobs and travel to more places to make up the difference they could have had just by staying there. And they are paying more money for their food. Yeah, it didnt help. In fact it hurt 18000 people. And more.

The good idea fairy doesnt always work out.

rjs330 said:

You are just trying to be obstinate here. I think you know good and well what I'm talking about. We've had these discussions enough.

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I'm not being obstinate. I'm trying to point out how you're filtering these jobs through your own biases of what you want them to be, not what they are.

What fast food owner cares about whether his workers are young or old, poor or independently wealthy, working full-time or otherwise unemployed? None of them, as long as they're able and available to do the work he needs done. He needs bodies. He's not creating jobs FOR the young. He's creating jobs that appeal to the young because they have a low barrier to entry and because the nature of the workload is amenable to part-time shiftwork. But the same could be said about all sorts of jobs that are more traditionally thought of as for "adults."

Now rhe worker just has to work more jobs and travel to more places to make up the difference they could have had just by staying there. And they are paying more money for their food. Yeah, it didnt help. In fact it hurt 18000 people. And more.

The good idea fairy doesnt always work out.

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What's the quality of life for the people who are still working these jobs? Are they better off now? Do you have that data?

iluvatar5150 said:

lol, no I did not. This is your entire post:

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Nope here is what you wrote:

This is such nonsense. Fast food was never primarily an entry-level job for high schoolers.

Now here is what I wrote:

Thats 18,000 fewer jobs to be had for t he temporary workers, the teens and college students to have.

See the difference now? You left out temporary workers and college students. I will admit that temporary workers needs clarification so you know what I'm talking g about. Its those who are working there temporarily until they get something else. It also woild include those who just want a part time job for a while.

iluvatar5150 said:

Because you're failing to follow along and read what both of us actually wrote.

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So apparently you didnt follow along with what I actually wrote.

iluvatar5150 said:

How long ago was with? 40 years? 50?

The notion that full-time students can be the majority of staff a fast-food restaurant is ludicrous and was never true unless these folks were taking night classes.

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Please take note of post 99. Thats TODAY.

I also didnt specifically say students either. I said teenagers. In previous conversations I mentioned young people. Which includes teenagers. Its a fact that most fast food workers are young people and include teens. Which also happen to include students who work after school and on weekends or during the summer.

If you want to quibble about a specific age then I'm out. Its young people and young adults.

And now because of Democrats 18000 of them have fewer opportunities. And people looking for part time work can't get it.

Screw you jack I got mine didnt used to be a Democrat position.

iluvatar5150 said:

I'm not being obstinate. I'm trying to point out how you're filtering these jobs through your own biases of what you want them to be, not what they are.

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No you are being obstinate. You knew what I was talking about.

iluvatar5150 said:

He's creating jobs that appeal to the young because they have a low barrier to entry and because the nature of the workload is amenable to part-time shiftwork.

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Now you get it. I knew you did.

iluvatar5150 said:

What's the quality of life for the people who are still working these jobs? Are they better off now? Do you have that data?

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Do you? All I know for a fact is that these people had their hours cut from part time to more part time and now have to to find more work at other places. There also are 18000 fewer job opportunities for those looking for them.

rjs330 said:

Nope here is what you wrote:

This is such nonsense. Fast food was never primarily an entry-level job for high schoolers.

Now here is what I wrote:

Thats 18,000 fewer jobs to be had for t he temporary workers, the teens and college students to have.

See the difference now? You left out temporary workers and college students. I will admit that temporary workers needs clarification so you know what I'm talking g about. Its those who are working there temporarily until they get something else. It also woild include those who just want a part time job for a while.

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In case you missed it, I quoted both you and another person at the same time. I was responding to both of you.

College students aren't substantially different than high school student in terms of their availability, so I don't really see what difference that makes. They have some more breaks, but often not enough more that it makes a significant difference to someone doing the scheduling for a burger joint.

rjs330 said:

I also didnt specifically say students either.

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The other poster I quoted did.

rjs330 said:

If you want to quibble about a specific age then I'm out. Its young people and young adults.

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I'm not quibbling about anything. I'm pointing out how bogus it is to conflate a high schooler living at home (which is the description used by the other poster I quoted at the same time) with a 24yo adult, which is what your age brackets do. A 24yo and a 17yo are in vastly different situations.

rjs330 said:

And now because of Democrats 18000 of them have fewer opportunities.

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And the ones still in those positions get paid more. But that doesn't seem to matter to you.

iluvatar5150 said:

And the ones still in those positions get paid more. But that doesn't seem to matter to you.

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They did? Maybe our hour, but they got their hours cut. And there were those who LOST their jobs and many more who aren't going to have one. That doesn't seem to matter to you.

iluvatar5150 said:

A 24yo and a 17yo are in vastly different situations.

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And yet they get paid the same. Also, that 24 year old had their hours cut and his food got more expensive.

These are the consequences we warned of. But in the name of good deeds the actual outcome doesn't matter.

This is the problem with so many leftist ideas. In the name of compassion they institute government policies that actually cause more problems. But as long as it makes them feel better short term, the other consequences are irrelevant.

Hentenza said:

Biden created fast food jobs?

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You say it like it's a bad thing.