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New study reveals crippling impact of California's minimum wage hike

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Isn't it dastardly that business' put profits over people? Capitalism has a long road to go before it changes its ways.
It isn't even real capitalism. All we see here is arguments about how tough it is for the poor employer, Nobody seems to know or care what actually happened to the layed-off workers or how the lives of the workers who were not layed off improved.
 
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A housewife in this case is a married woman who doesn't have to work to pay the bills.
Somehow, I doubt that someone who doesn't have to work to pay the bills would voluntarily choose to work in the fast food industry. Generally, if someone takes a job "for fun," it will be in an industry connected to a hobby or a personal interest. For example, if I was in that position, I'd probably go back to working at a bike shop.
 
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It isn't even real capitalism. All we see here is arguments about how tough it is for the poor employer, Nobody seems to know or care what actually happened to the layed-off workers or how the lives of the workers who were not layed off improved.
Just look at the upside. For a brief moment, those people have a use for some conservatives.
 
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The conservative position is that fast food jobs don't count as jobs, so they're not really a loss.
Never heard that. Jobs are jobs.
 
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let's not forget these jobs are summer jobs that are not meant for people to rely on for making a living.
Where did you get that from? Nothing in the article stating that these were summer jobs.
 
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Where did you get that from? Nothing in the article stating that these were summer jobs.
It's the implication made by the folks who argue that these jobs are for "high school kids and housewives."
 
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Right Wing talking points.
Not a right winger but you are just assuming something based on your right wing bias. There was nothing in the article about these jobs being summer jobs. You should stick to facts.
 
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It's the implication made by the folks who argue that these jobs are for "high school kids and housewives."
Yeah so why do they need to earn $20 an hour? Burgers are already expensive enough. Lol
 
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Yeah so why do they need to earn $20 an hour? Burgers are already expensive enough. Lol
Because it costs a lot to live in California. And if it costs a lot to live there, it costs a lot to provide labor there.
 
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Because that’s just the cost of labor in California.


Yes, along with everything else in this state. Labor is no exception.
Most blue states are quite expensive to live in.
 
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As opposed to the non-problematic mindset of not paying them enough to live when working.
Once again those hamburger flipper jobs were never intended for that. It was intended for young inexperienced workers or people just looking for part time or temp work.

In fact this has been harmful for people. Higher cost of food, loss of hours and more.

  • A study by the Berkeley Research Group found that menu prices have increased 14.5% due to the $20 wage hike;
  • After the implementation of the $20 minimum wage law, an EPI survey found that a majority of restaurants say they had raised menu prices (98%), reduced employee hours (89%), limited employee shift pick-up or overtime opportunities (73%) and reduced staff or consolidated positions (70%) as a result of the minimum wage law;
  • Additionally, a majority of restaurants surveyed said in 2025 they will have to continue to raise menu prices (93%), reduce employee hours (87%), reduce staff or consolidate positions (74%), and limit employee shift pick-up or overtime opportunities (71%).
Once again we have been proven to be right. $20 and hour sounds good until you get your hours cut and can no longer pick up extra shifts etc. And you have limited others feom.actually getting a job and gaining work experience which allows you to get better paying jobs.

Instead you'd rather cut people off, raise prices and limit their opportunities. Then you want to pay them for not working after you've put them in that position.
 
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As opposed to the narcissitic mindset that chooses to blame the failure of individuals, exclusively, upon the laziness of those individuals rather than upon the socio-economic model that places them in an untenable position.
What I said ONLY applies to those who are lazy and want to be paid for doing nothing. Which is what I was responding to.

A person is not going to get ahead unless they work. They will perpetually be in a bad position. We are speaking of people who are perpetually in that position and not people who fell on haed times and needed a little help while they work their way out of it.
 
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No and that’s not my point. Just that the consternation over these lost jobs rings kinda hollow from the crowd that doesn’t think too highly of these jobs to begin with.
Ah.. I see the issue here. Let me try and explain. These jobs are very valuable and very important. They are unskilled jobs that are vital for people. Vital in order to gain work experience for the young, provide part time work for those who only want part time work, they provide flexible work hours for those who need them and aren't looking for solid career jobs. We recognize rhe need for these jobs and are concerned that fewer people are getting the opportunities they need and seek. By removing these opportunities its actually harming the workforce in the long run and preventing people from gaining work experience needed to move upward to better things.

Just because we recognize the job itself isnt a skilled position doesn't mean the job isnt important to sections of our society.
Sure, 18,000 fewer jobs but there are over half a million fast food workers now making something a bit closer to a living wage. I’d say that’s a good trade.
No they aren't. Because they have had their hours and opportunities cut. Plus their food is now more expensive costing families more money out of their pockets to eat there.
 
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