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You are right about the death part. However, The Law of Sin is our slavery to Sin. That is what those who are in Christ Jesus have been set free from. Read the following with that in mind.
Hmmm. Romans 8:2 says we have been set free from "the law of sin and death". The nexus between "sin" and "death" does not go away because of things said about "the law of sin" in chapter 7. On the contrary, the nexus between sin and death is there on purpose because it is one of the main themes of the entire book of Romans. And the main theme of Romans is that the nexus between sin and death is broken by God sending His Son to die on a cross for our sins so that we would not face His wrath if we placed our trust in Him. That is also the point of Romans 8:2.
If you still don't see, we will show you.
Who is "we"? SDA? Your arguments sound like theirs.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Romans 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Romans 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Romans 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Romans 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Romans 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Romans 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
 
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What is an "entity class"?
Jesus, on nearly every page of the Gospels, revealed Satan and devils within people. He engaged them within people. Revealed them in people. Castigated them in people. Cast them out of people. And commanded them in people.

I honestly don't know how anyone can read His Words and miss this critical point quite honestly.

But for years after I was saved, and probably read Mark 4:15 hundreds or more times, never once did it occur to me that Mark 4:15 happened to me as well as everyone else.

And we all, at least initially, fail to account for that "other entity class" in our theology positions.

Therefore, God in Christ loves all people, without exception.

and

God HATES the devil and his messengers, and WILL send them to eternal forever and ever HELLFIRE at the end of this wicked age.

All captives GO FREE by no merit of their own. This is the Gospel message. We proclaim it to reconcile people to the fact. But every last one of us is also carrying these vile things to their ultimate damnation final judgment and serve God in the process. Even though the majority are blind to it.

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

The evil within NO ONE can comply to the laws of God, any of them. Therefore everyone who claims to be legally obedient is blissfully unaware of their own internal deceit. Jer. 17:9 is REAL for everyone, believer and unbeliever.
 
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Jesus, on nearly every page of the Gospels, revealed Satan and devils within people. He engaged them within people. Revealed them in people. Castigated them in people. Cast them out of people. And commanded them in people.

I honestly don't know how anyone can read His Words and miss this critical point quite honestly.

But for years after I was saved, and probably read Mark 4:15 hundreds or more times, never once did it occur to me that Mark 4:15 happened to me as well as everyone else.

And we all, at least initially, fail to account for that "other entity class" in our theology positions.

Therefore, God in Christ loves all people, without exception.

and

God HATES the devil and his messengers, and WILL send them to eternal forever and ever HELLFIRE at the end of this wicked age.

All captives GO FREE by no merit of their own. This is the Gospel message. We proclaim it to reconcile people to the fact. But every last one of us is also carrying these vile things to their ultimate damnation final judgment and serve God in the process. Even though the majority are blind to it.

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

The evil within NO ONE can comply to the laws of God, any of them. Therefore everyone who claims to be legally obedient is blissfully unaware of their own internal deceit. Jer. 17:9 is REAL for everyone, believer and unbeliever.
Thank you for your reply. This is my first interraction with a Universalist. It conjurs up a whole different set of Scriptures than my usual arguments on works, election, sinless perfection, etc. But honestly, I have no desire to engage on this topic. I wish you the best.
 
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Thank you for your reply. This is my first interraction with a Universalist. It conjurs up a whole different set of Scriptures than my usual arguments on works, election, sinless perfection, etc. But honestly, I have no desire to engage on this topic. I wish you the best.
If believers need to believe their unsaved neighbors are going to burn alive forever I consider it the darkest part of the heart being trotted out for view, Jer. 17:9. Doesn't change post salvation.

Good luck with that. Nothing personal. God will save you regardless

1 John 4:
7 Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.
 
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Hmmm. Romans 8:2 says we have been set free from "the law of sin and death". The nexus between "sin" and "death" does not go away because of things said about "the law of sin" in chapter 7. On the contrary, the nexus between sin and death is there on purpose because it is one of the main themes of the entire book of Romans. And the main theme of Romans is that the nexus between sin and death is broken by God sending His Son to die on a cross for our sins so that we would not face His wrath if we placed our trust in Him. That is also the point of Romans 8:2.



No one said any different. We are set from our bondage to sin, which is the law of sin. And we are set free from the consequences of our sin, death.

Your intial post to which instigated this conversation only spelled out being set free from the consequences.
Not in so many words. But Romans comes very close...

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. (Ro 8:2)
We have been set free from having to pay the wages of sin (which is eternal death) because by the Spirit we have received new life in Christ Jesus. This is the good news of the gospel, and we should all be able to rejoice in that. Amen?

Who is "we"? SDA? Your arguments sound like theirs.
No it doesn't.
 
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No one said any different. We are set from our bondage to sin, which is the law of sin. And we are set free from the consequences of our sin, death. Your intial post to which instigated this conversation only spelled out being set free from the consequences.
Yes, you are right. Both are true.

So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin. (Ro 7:25–8:1)​
No it doesn't.
I had second thoughts as soon as I sent it, but I was hoping you would give me the correct answer anyway.
 
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I had second thoughts as soon as I sent it, but I was hoping you would give me the correct answer anyway.
Correct answer? The following verse contain the correct answer ideally. This applies to all.

John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Colossians 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Colossians 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
Colossians 1:29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.
 
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Correct answer? The following verse contain the correct answer ideally. This applies to all.

John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Colossians 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Colossians 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
Colossians 1:29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.
Yeah, I was wondering who the "we" is when you said, "If you still don't see, we will show you." I was hoping you would clarify that part of the statement.
 
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In respect to Christ now living vicariously through and with Paul, Paul continues to say if righteousness is of the Law and not of this faith, then Christ died for nothing.
Yes, faith is what first bonds us to God, so, "not of faith" means not of God: it means I'm trying to obey the law on my own apart from Him-and that is impossible. But with Him all things asre possible, including becoming who we were created to be, not sinners. It's a process because becoming "perfected in love" is a process and love is what overcomes sin, thereby fulfilling the law. It's the righteousness that the law and the prophets testify to but could never accomplish. To know and love God-and neighbor-is man's very purpose.
 
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Yes, faith is what first bonds us to God, so, "not of faith" means not of God: it means I'm trying to obey the law on my own apart from Him-and that is impossible. But with Him all things asre possible, including becoming who we were created to be, not sinners.
And this non-sinning ability through Christ is key to understanding a lot of Paul’s writings to us. Galatians in particular.
 
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Circumcision and All the holy days accept the Sabbath of Creation were instituted because of the fall in the Garden of Eden.
This is an unsubstantiated claim and I would say flawed reasoning.

The creation account itself is a redemptive metaphor showing light being spoken into darkness that starts a process which ends in rest. We would be remiss not to mention that light being spoken into darkness is one of the strongest images used in the bible to convey redemption through Christ that is repeated throughout the bible, noteably John 1 showing that Word is the light and the light shines in the darkness and an intention allusion of the creation account, John 8 where Christ calls himself "the light of the world", 2 Cor 3:6 is more explict and it reaffirms this metaphor of Christ being the light of creation (to name a few off hand). This shows us that post-fall redemption is baked into the creation account by design, and this includes the 7th day as the goal of the redeption process.

the 4th commandment is given in the context to heads of households as the charge is not just ceasing work for yourself but your whole household including your servants/slaves and even animals. Anyone under authority can not do something unless they are permitted to do so by one with authority. the 4th commandment sees the heads of the household charged with ensuring rest is kept through a hierarchical structure, with those at the bottom having little to no authority at all (the animals). The thing with work animals is they cannot take rest themselves (otherwise they will be whipped into submission or sent to market) so they must be given rest by one with authority in order to have it. This is a powerful salvation metaphor showing the mechanism of salvation/rest through one with authority in a post-fall redeptive plan.

the 7th day itself ultimately points not to physical rest but to spiritual rest, and it points to the one who can give us this spiritual rest. But without the fall does this mean we don't need a saviour because we have no need for redemption? this is a flawed way of approaching redemption. It doesn't matter how you view the literalness of the account; abstractly, Adam needed Christ as much as he did before the fall as he did after the fall. light is spoken into darkness before man was ever created but it is designed for man not inspite of him, showing that this system was made as a redemptive plan for fallen man since the beginning. The account of the fall shows us an irreversible need for redemption, that "all have sinned" without argument; Moses to Adam is about 2500 years, this is an intentional large gap to show an ancient people group their need for redemption. it's not there to show that stuff post-fall are driven by our redeptive need and stuff pre-fall have different goals in mind. it all there as a part of a redemptive plan.

There happens to be no sabbath law pre-fall (or in the entire book of Genesis), and one could rebut the commandment itself is still a post-fall interpretation and would fall under your post-fall rule (which is still a flawed way to approach it). if we are to look at creation in a vacuum (which is never a good idea) the only commandment that stands is the commandment to multiply but there is no sabbath commandment. Multiplication is indeed an active part of the redemptive metaphor that still holds today, but I don't see you talking about the only commandment that is confirmed pre-fall which shows me you're less interested in you're own logic of this universal golden pre-fall rule and are more interested in finding a way to bolster the sabbath commandment.

here's a hint in terms of biblical exegesis, It's all part of the redemptive plan and nothing escapes this, including the creation account of Gen 1 which is a gospel account in it's own right and the sabbath absolutely is about a redemptive plan by design that would be foolish to protest. The biblical accounts all have a post-fall audience so are motivated by post-fall circumstances and about a redeptive plan for us in our post-fall state. Sabbath, and certainly sabbath law, was designed for this post-fall state.
 
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To much “I” in your response. Not here to debate you about what you think.
misdirection and avoidance. I've shown how scripture supports a post-fall redemptive plan of God baked into creation and by extension, the 7th day, you've chosen to ignore this and accuse me of being too opinion driven. Anyone can say that, I can just fire it right back you but it's the neglect of support that exposes baseless opinion, where I instead showed scriptural support not merely unsubstantiated claims.

Your claim is "Circumcision and All the holy days accept [sic] the Sabbath of Creation were instituted because of the fall in the Garden of Eden." Where is your support that shows the 7th day does not include a post-redeemptive plan so we know what we can judge as mere opinion or not?
 
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The Sabbath was blessed and sanctified since the first 7th day. Because (for) in 6 days God made heaven and earth,and the sea and all things in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the seventh day, and hallowed it. And because He blessed and hallowed it we are keep it so and rest. On it thou shalt do no work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy servant nor thy maidservant, thine ox nor thine ass, nor any cattle of thine, nor the stranger that sojourns with thee. For, BECAUSE in six days the Lord made the heaven and the earth, and the sea and all things in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the seventh day, and hallowed it.

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Exod 20:8 Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy.
Exod 20:9 Six days thou shalt labour, and shalt perform all thy work.
Exod 20:10 But on the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God; on it thou shalt do no work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy servant nor thy maidservant, thine ox nor thine ass, nor any cattle of thine, nor the stranger that sojourns with thee.
Exod 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heaven and the earth, and the sea and all things in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the seventh day, and hallowed it.
 
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merely saying something is false without support is avoidence or else you're trolling, both lack maturity.
You made a claim that you supported what you think with scripture, and it was stated you haven't. Your post is nothing but conjecture supported by your opinion which is subjective at best.
Sadly with all that was said in the OP all you could do after reading it was come out with an argument in respect to the Sabbath. When in reality the post has nothing to do with the Sabbath.

And by the way, Your baiting comments towards me don't support anything either. So let us stop that okay.


This post below is to you also. It is response to you in respect to what was said in the OP. It said, "Circumcision and All the holy days accept the Sabbath of Creation were instituted because of the fall in the Garden of Eden."

To that you said
This is an unsubstantiated claim and I would say flawed reasoning.
Here is the response to your comment.

The Sabbath was blessed and sanctified since the first 7th day. Because (for) in 6 days God made heaven and earth,and the sea and all things in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the seventh day, and hallowed it. And because He blessed and hallowed it we are keep it so and rest. On it thou shalt do no work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy servant nor thy maidservant, thine ox nor thine ass, nor any cattle of thine, nor the stranger that sojourns with thee. For, BECAUSE in six days the Lord made the heaven and the earth, and the sea and all things in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the seventh day, and hallowed it.

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Exod 20:8 Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy.
Exod 20:9 Six days thou shalt labour, and shalt perform all thy work.
Exod 20:10 But on the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God; on it thou shalt do no work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy servant nor thy maidservant, thine ox nor thine ass, nor any cattle of thine, nor the stranger that sojourns with thee.
Exod 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heaven and the earth, and the sea and all things in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the seventh day, and hallowed it.
 
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You made a claim that you supported what you think with scripture, and it was stated you haven't. Your post is nothing but conjecture supported by your opinion which is subjective at best.
Sadly with all that was said in the OP all you could do after reading it was come out with an argument in respect to the Sabbath. When in reality the post has nothing to do with the Sabbath.

And by the way, Your baiting comments towards me don't support anything either. So let us stop that okay.


This post below is to you also. It is response to you in respect to what was said in the OP. It said, "Circumcision and All the holy days accept the Sabbath of Creation were instituted because of the fall in the Garden of Eden."

To that you said

Here is the response to your comment
My post was more than a line, and what I said I scripturally addressed which you're leaving uncommented. Please don't misunderstand my tone, I'm trying to have a meaningful and critical discussion. I missed your response as it was not a formal reply or didn't list my username but the post does not address why the 7th day is outside of a post-fall redemptive plan or pre-fall rule you seem to be suggesting.

You've stated "Circumcision and All the holy days accept [sic] the Sabbath of Creation were instituted because of the fall in the Garden of Eden."

You will have to flesh this out more if I have misunderstood it because to me it suggests the 7th day is excluded from a post-fall redemptive plan that circumcision and all the other holy days are about. If you think this then I would have to disagree, light being spoken into darkness is one of the greatest redemptive metaphors used in the Bible but spoken before man was even created and foundational to setting up the 7th day. The overall context of the Bible is all about a post-fall redemptive plan that includes the 7th day/sabbath as a part of its plan and no book/chapter/verse escapes this. A redemptive plan is inseparable from from the 7th day design.

I'm simply calling out this special pre-fall rule logic as incompatible with Biblical revelation as the 7th and the Sabbath absolutely are about a post fall redemptive plan and it would be counter gospel to say they are not. Your Sabbath conclusions are not what I'm calling out here, it's what your using to support them, so let's keep the discussion in context.
 
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In Galatians 2:19 Paul states that He is dead to the Law in context to the topic of circumcision and new converts not having to be circumcised anymore physically. Circumcision is of the Book of the Law. There is a spiritual circumcision made without hands. But what we are speaking of is physically keeping the Law.
The death to the Law Paul mentions in verse 2:19 is said in context to Paul being dead and Living spiritually through Christ living in Him and Christ's faith being manifested.
In respect to Christ now living vicariously through and with Paul, Paul continues to say if righteousness is of the Law and not of this faith, then Christ died for nothing.
A distinction is made which is missed by most and is extremely important in relation to what we speak. It is said In context to Christ living in and through us and us not having to be circumcised anymore which is of the Law. If while we are in this state we are found to be sinners, is Christ the minister of sin, since He is living in and through us? God forbid Paul continues, if we build again the things we destroyed we make ourselves transgressors!
In this we see at least two things that need to be noted. For one sin is still sin. And as Paul states in Rom.3 and 7, we would not know sin but by the Law, for by the Law is the knowledge of sin. And the secondly, circumcision is not part of this sin to which we can be found in. This work of the Law has been and is being fulfilled in us through Christ and the physical work of this Law is not needed. There has been a change in the Book of Law in respect to how it is manifested. Christ now lives vicariously through through and with us and we have been circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in the putting of the body of sin. For we who have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Know you not that we who have been baptized into Christ have been baptized into His death and are risen with Him that the Body of sin be destroyed, That henceforth we do not serve sin. For He that is dead is dead to sin is therefore freed from sin and alive unto God through Christ.

That brings us to another note worthy of our attention. Through the Faith OF Christ We are dead to sin and we are dead to the Law as Galatians and Romans puts forth. How so? The old man, the Body of sin has been destroyed. It is no longer I, but Christ Jesus. And the Life we now live in the flesh we live by the Faith OF the Son of God who Gave Himself for Us. So sin is to be out of the equation for us who are in Christ and He in us that the world might believe. Paul is showing us we do not live by the Book of the Law any more but by Christ and His Spirit. So He, we are dead to the Law. Manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ, Written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward. Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency [is] of God; Who also hath made us able ministers of the New Testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

This is brought even clearer to us to verses 2-5 in chapter 3 in Galatians where we see the Spirit is mentioned in respect to the hearing of faith. If we are now dead but alive and it is Christ living in us and we now live by the Faith OF the Son of God who gave Himself for us we have His Spirit and have begun in the Spirit and are hearing the Faith that we are now living by that is OF Christ. We are not made perfect by the flesh, justified by the works of the Law but by listening to the Spirit, hearkening unto the hearing of the Faith of Christ.

This hearing of faith, hearkening unto the Spirit of Christ is said in Context to verse 6. Where it states as a direct comparison, EVEN AS, JUST AS Abraham believed God.

Abraham heard God and believed and acted. So we of the Faith of Christ Hear God believe and Act. We as He have the hearing of Faith. Not because of the Law, but because of Christ, His Spirit, Faith in us. Being dead, but alive in and through Christ We do because of who we are in Christ not because of the Book of the Law, and external source. But because of the changed heart through Christ. We are a new creature. All is new and of God. His Word is in our heart that we do it. That is the word of Faith in which we preach. As God has said. He will put His Law in our hearts and iin our minds. And our sins and iniquities will no longer be brought to His remembrance.

Now one might of forgot that physical circumcision is no longer a requirement and by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified as chapter 2 plainly stated. And say if the Law, His Word is in our hearts we will keep God's Holy days and if we do not we are sinning. That is a problem. Circumcision and All the holy days accept the Sabbath of Creation were instituted because of the fall in the Garden of Eden. Every last one of them. And every last one of them Paul states He is dead to in chapter 2 when he states he is dead to the Law and not Justified by doing it. Mind you sin still exists (prayerfully not in us) and is defined by the Law. But as was stated by Paul, circumcision is not one of those laws that defines sin. Therefore we do not have to do it. And as we progress here we will see that the days months, times and years are indeed those written in the Book of the Law instituted after and because of the Fall in the Garden of Eden. and Are also of the works of the Law in which we do not have to do, because they justified no one.

As chapter 3 stated, We are not made perfect by the works of the Law, For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. This works of the Law is being said in respect to verse 2:16 where Paul had said that we know that we are not Justified by the works of the Law if not through faith of Jesus. To be of the Law, the Book of the Law that Paul stated that he was dead to meant that you did the works of it to be justified. The Law has made no one righteous, not one. For all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God. Through the Law, the Book of the Law is the knowledge of sin. Therefore it was our schoolmaster, tutor to bring us UNTO Christ, the Heir according to the promise. We are now the children of Abraham partakers of the promised blessedness through Christ. For we who have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, male nor female, bond or freeman. We Are All One in Christ and of Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise.

There is neither Jew nor Gentile. This takes us spiritually back to the time of Abraham before Sinai and the giving of the Law. We are to walk with God through believing Him, hearing the faith and hearkening unto it through Christ. Christ, The promised land, flowing with milk and honey, through the veil, that is to say Christ's flesh. Mind you we do not make the void the Law which gives us the knowledge of sin through Faith. Neigh in no way! For through Christ the Word is in our hearts. We are changed and walk with God through faith and We establish the law. We are a new creature. Be a doer of the word in your heart and not a hearer only deceiving your own selves. Look into the reflection. Do not forget what manner of man we now are in Christ. Sons of God with the Spirit, Faith of His Son crying in our hearts, Abba, Father. Redeemed from under the Law, the elements, first principles of this world. How can we Turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, first principles? Whereunto ye desire AGAIN to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? One Abraham had two sons, one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. But he [who was] of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman [was] by promise. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. Brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free. Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage, that of Sinia. Be led of the Spirit, and not under the law, bondage of Sinai. Walk in the faith of Abraham, Christ Jesus with God. Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. Let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

Glory in the Lord and in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto us, and we unto the world. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. Behold all is new and of God. He is faithful and will not suffer us to be tempted above that we are able to bear. He has given us all things that pertain to life and godliness. He in us, us in Him that the world might believe. Amen
Dear beloved in Christ,
Grace and peace to you from God our Father and our Lord Jesus Christ!

Thank you for your thoughtful and theologically rich reflection. It's clear that you’ve given deep meditation to Galatians and Romans, and I appreciate your desire to glorify Christ and exalt the work of the Spirit over the Law. You’re absolutely right that in Christ, we are made new, and the Law no longer justifies us. Paul’s epistles are filled with the glorious truth of our liberty in Christ.

But I’d like to offer some pastoral clarification on a few key objections and interpretations you’ve raised not to argue, but to edify and build up, as iron sharpens iron (Proverbs 27:17).

Objection #1: “Paul is only referring to circumcision and physical works of the Law.”


You emphasized Galatians 2:19 in the context of circumcision, suggesting that Paul’s death to the Law refers specifically to that ceremonial requirement. You also distinguish this from what you call "sin-defining laws."

However, Paul doesn't limit his "death to the Law" to just circumcision. In fact, the phrase "I died to the Law so that I might live to God" (Galatians 2:19) signals a complete transfer of allegiance from the old system of Law to the new life in Christ.

Romans 7:4 says clearly:
“You also died to the Law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.”

This includes the entire Mosaic system ceremonial, civil, and moral not just circumcision. Why? Because the Law is an indivisible unit. James 2:10 teaches:

“Whoever keeps the whole Law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.”

Objection #2: “The Law is still needed because it defines sin.”

You rightly quote Romans 3:20:
“Through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.”

Amen, it was through the Law that sin was made known. But notice Paul does not say "through the Law comes sanctification". In fact, the Law was never given to make us holy but to expose our need for a Savior (Galatians 3:24). Now that Christ has come, we are no longer under a tutor (Galatians 3:25).

Paul says in Romans 6:14:
“For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under Law, but under grace.”

If we live by grace and by the indwelling Holy Spirit, then sin has no dominion over us not because of Law, but because of the Spirit of Christ living in us.

Romans 8:3-4 makes this crystal clear:
“For what the Law was powerless to do... God did by sending His own Son... in order that the righteous requirement of the Law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.”

Objection #3: “We are still required to observe God’s Holy Days (except circumcision).”

Brother, I humbly but firmly disagree here. Paul actually groups days, months, seasons, and years into the very bondage Christ freed us from.

Galatians 4:9-11 says:
“But now that you have come to know God... how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles...? You observe days and months and seasons and years. I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain.”

Paul is not just talking about pagan rituals here but Jewish religious observances, including Sabbaths, feasts, and festivals (Colossians 2:16–17).
“These are a shadow of things to come; the reality is found in Christ.”

These things are fulfilled in Christ. The Law, including its calendar, served a temporary function. Now that we are in the Light, why return to the shadows?

What Does “Dead to the Law” Really Mean?

You powerfully quoted Galatians 2:20:
“It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me...”
And amen! That is the heart of the Gospel. To be “dead to the Law” is to say:
  • I no longer relate to God based on rule-keeping, but on faith in Jesus.
  • I do not pursue righteousness through external commands, but through the internal work of the Spirit.
  • I am not striving to be accepted by God, I’m already accepted in the Beloved (Ephesians 1:6).
So, while the Law is holy, just, and good (Romans 7:12), it was never meant to save or sanctify. That role belongs only to Christ and His Spirit.

Dear Brother, Walk in the Spirit, Not in the Law​


Brother, I truly sense your zeal to walk righteously and that is beautiful. But the Spirit doesn’t call us back to Sinai; He calls us forward to Zion, the city of the living God (Hebrews 12:22).

So I echo Paul’s words in Galatians 5:1:
“It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.”

Let’s not confuse moral living with Law-living. The Spirit produces fruit (Galatians 5:22–23) that exceeds what the Law could ever command because it flows from the inside out.

Let us not forget: “If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.” (Galatians 5:18)

May we walk as children of promise, not of the bondwoman but of the free. May we glory in the cross of Christ, not in external observances. May we be known not for our rule keeping, but for our Spirit-filled lives that reflect Jesus Himself.

As Paul declared:
“God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ...” (Galatians 6:14)

Stay free. Stay Spirit-led. Stay rooted in Christ.
Your brother in Christ and fellow servant,
Pastor Waris,
 
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