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Catholics have always had a place for the miraculous. So too the Orthodox.
That IS an issue.
Not just Pentecostals would think that.
The event that preceded the Azusa Revival was a world-wide Catholic novena to the Holy Spirit led by the pope. Which makes me think God has a rich sense of humor. Today a very alive portion of the Catholic Church is charismatic. Maybe not aligned with the strangest stuff in Pentecostalism, but more aligned with someone like Bob Mumford.
Signs and wonders should be seen as indicators and not by themselves as proofs. It was so with the miracles of Jesus.
That too. But also healings, driving out demons, apparitions, private revelations, and tongues. There is a healthy skepticism which accepts some of that, but rejects some of it too.
Agree with all of Jesus warnings, including His warnings through the Apostles. Let's not sweep blasphemy against the Holy Spririt too far from this context. Are you saying my verses in the above could lead to demonic activity?
Be careful when you read something not to read into it. It’s very often done with people even with written scripture…. What I wrote was start to finish a complete thought I had concerning all this. I do find it telling that you did not answer the question I put forth…. Just saying….
Really? Then in your desperation to defend the cessationist's position, you are not retaining what you read.
It is the Spirit who teaches the way of soundness when ALL HIS WARNINGS are brought to the table. The reason I asked if those two instances are among those that lead to demonic activity (which you did not answer), is to see if you are trying to promote soundness, or refusal.
I have no reason to believe that any of us in this discussion are novices in the word. Problems occur after some error of bias occurs and we accept a condition (cessation) which is why you could not bring yourself to answer my question of your treatment of (Mk 16:17) and (Gal 3:5). You wish there was an instance in the epistles that says after their passing all signs and wonders will cease, but there isn't. There is only one thing the Apostle said would cease and that is un-interruption of soundness (Acts 20:29).
Correction, complete promotion. Else, if it were soundness you had in mind you would have defended it with a refusal to tamper with the spirit of those two references' possibility to cite and encourage a blasphemous possibility.
True Pentecostalism holds well to this warning (Heb 12:2). How does Gal 3:5 operate in a world of ''false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders'', when it so closely resembles the other, these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues? I just told you (Heb 12:2), I just told you only one thing was mentioned to cease for a time, soundness. We always give thanks for everything He has given us to live victoriously yet, with contentment with such things as we have. If you cannot attest in the affirmative to these things, then you are still held atop a pinnacle of promotion of man's longstanding imagination.
