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If there was anything against Trump in the Epstein files, it would have been leaked

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Are we honestly supposed to believe that Trump did not know his best friend was sex trafficking? Was he that clueless? That naïve,? That stupid?

This "genius"? This best president ever? This "very smart" man?

or did he at least collude with his silence? This anointed one of the Religious Right.
 
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Seriously - this guy makes me ill.

From whining and whining about "Obamna" (some mental health experts fear his slurred speech indicates accelerating dementia) stealing his election (are you sure Donald? Which one? Wasn't that Biden?) to "Obamna" inventing the Epstein files - NOW "Obamna" has the hide to commit TREASON.

Trump claimed the DOJ was politicized when they were just trying to follow the due process of the law in investigating HIS OWN DOCUMENTED and caught on tape interference with the 2020 elections. But then he installs his own "Belief Bureau" in charge of all the top Agencies and Bureaus in the land - and gets them to hold Voldemort like purges of any "Muggle-born" in their ranks!

What's the next diversion from the Epstein files? Start a war?
 
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Are we honestly supposed to believe that Trump did not know his best friend was sex trafficking? Was he that clueless? That naïve,? That stupid?

This "genius"? This best president ever? This "very smart" man?

or did he at least collude with his silence? This anointed one of the Religious Right.
Considering how many Church clergy have been discovered to have been doing abhorrent things with children without anyone, including other clergy, being aware, apparently it happens. Or it's other clergy was aware, but keept it under wraps. Wasn't a certain Archbishop Joseph Ratzinger said to be one of the former?
 
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Considering how many Church clergy have been discovered to have been doing abhorrent things with children without anyone, including other clergy, being aware, apparently it happens. Or it's other clergy was aware, but keept it under wraps. Wasn't a certain Archbishop Joseph Ratzinger said to be one of the former?
Bad analogy.

Back in the day the clergy were the last people we would have expected this from. Now we know better. Decades ago I worked in child protection work - and had to investigate the plausibility of various excuses for child abuse etc. I've also done children's ministry in the Anglican church - and I completely endorse the very practical Safe Ministry training all leaders get once every 2 years. We're talking about not just doing the right thing, but being seen to be doing the right thing. Doors open when counselling someone distressed - 2 leaders in the car until all children are dropped home - that sort of thing.

Let's just say Trump doesn't pass the sniff test with Epstein over this. There was never anything 'clergy' about either of them.

Their combined documented behaviour and foul-mouthed gags over the decades are now being rehearsed by Jon Stewart's Daily Show. If you're embarrassed by how crude Jon Stewart can go because of Trump's own behaviour - you should be embarrassed to have Trump as your President. Why am I bringing it up on Jon Stewart and not documenting all the source material directly? 1. I need the humour to cope with this. 2. It's all so old it's part of the common western culture. That he did and said these things is not contestable. It is why the saner parts of the western world gagged when Trump was elected the first time - let alone the second.

I've timed it to after the expo of the "Wonderful Secret" letter - which is bad enough. This is where Jon summarises their history for the context to read the "Wonderful Secret" letter. Starts here. There is so much more - but these 2 are bad enough! This is the sort of evidence that could one day be entered into a court as part of the historical context leading up to whatever is in the Epstein files.
 
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Bad analogy.

Back in the day the clergy were the last people we would have expected this from. Now we know better. Decades ago I worked in child protection work - and had to investigate the plausibility of various excuses for child abuse etc. I've also done children's ministry in the Anglican church - and I completely endorse the very practical Safe Ministry training all leaders get once every 2 years. We're talking about not just doing the right thing, but being seen to be doing the right thing. Doors open when counselling someone distressed - 2 leaders in the car until all children are dropped home - that sort of thing.

Let's just say Trump doesn't pass the sniff test with Epstein over this. There was never anything 'clergy' about either of them.

Their combined documented behaviour and foul-mouthed gags over the decades are now being rehearsed by Jon Stewart's Daily Show. If you're embarrassed by how crude Jon Stewart can go because of Trump's own behaviour - you should be embarrassed to have Trump as your President. Why am I bringing it up on Jon Stewart and not documenting all the source material directly? 1. I need the humour to cope with this. 2. It's all so old it's part of the common western culture. That he did and said these things is not contestable. It is why the saner parts of the western world gagged when Trump was elected the first time - let alone the second.

I've timed it to after the expo of the "Wonderful Secret" letter - which is bad enough. This is where Jon summarises their history for the context to read the "Wonderful Secret" letter. Starts here. There is so much more - but these 2 are bad enough! This is the sort of evidence that could one day be entered into a court as part of the historical context leading up to whatever is in the Epstein files.
There's a ton of people who knew Epstein, who didn't know anything about the sex trafficking he was involved in. And those who constantly vilify Trump are of course going to insist that he was intimately involved in all of it.
 
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More specifically the alleged so-called client list. Which apparently never existed. And if that's the case, it seems likely that Donald is having fun with it.
Having fun? He seems enraged.
 
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I'm not talking about a president leaking it - but a member of the jury - or anyone in records management.

And it's just not going away.

The best one can say about Trump is he’s a sex offender. The worst thing one can say is he might be a pedophile, too.
 
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Having fun? He seems enraged.
He usually has some sort of plan going. So hard to say if he's really outraged or just playing along to achieve a particular outcome.
The best one can say about Trump is he’s a sex offender. The worst thing one can say is he might be a pedophile, too.
Well let's hope so, cause that will destroy him for sure! :pray:
 
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The best one can say about Trump is he’s a sex offender. The worst thing one can say is he might be a pedophile, too.
I just can’t believe there are still actually people loyal to him.
 
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I just can’t believe there are still actually people loyal to him.
It's time to move past the Epstein issue. This week, the HOT conspiracy theory is that President Obama tried to influence the 2016 election and that his administration released all Russian documents after the election.

President Obama's admin released all Russia hoax documents in December 2016, hoping Americans would read them and travel back in time in November 2016 and vote for Clinton.

Finally Kenyan born illegitimate president will be punished! This is why God saved President Trump in Pennsylvania!
 
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It's time to move past the Epstein issue. This week, the HOT conspiracy theory is that President Obama tried to influence the 2016 election and that his administration released all Russian documents after the election.

President Obama's admin released all Russia hoax documents in December 2016, hoping Americans would read them and travel back in time in November 2016 and vote for Clinton.

Finally Kenyan born illegitimate president will be punished! This is why God saved President Trump in Pennsylvania!

You really have swallowed the administration's talking points. The distraction is now the main event?

ETA: Wait, wait, I just realized that was sarcasm. Sorry! :help:
 
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Considering how many Church clergy have been discovered to have been doing abhorrent things with children without anyone, including other clergy, being aware, apparently it happens. Or it's other clergy was aware, but keept it under wraps. Wasn't a certain Archbishop Joseph Ratzinger said to be one of the former?
You are trying to give him a pass with obfuscation. STOP IT!
 
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You are trying to give him a pass with obfuscation. STOP IT!
I'm simply saying not everyone who knew or was friends with someone who did abhorrent things in secret, knew about it or was involved in it.
 
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I'm simply saying not everyone who knew or was friends with someone who did abhorrent things in secret, knew about it or was involved in it.
Clueless? Naïve,? stupid? or complicit?
 
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I'm simply saying not everyone who knew or was friends with someone who did abhorrent things in secret, knew about it or was involved in it.
While that may be generally true, the thing is, we know many things about Trump that clearly indicate he does not deserve to get the benefit of the doubt here. For example, we know he's bragged about grabbing women by certain body parts and he thinks certain famous people are "entitled" to do so; we know he's walked in on the dressing rooms of at least a couple of different beauty pageants he ran, and we know, for a fact, that he defamed E. Jean Carroll repeatedly after she claimed he sexually assaulted her, and he was found to have committed sexual assault in that case.

So, can we trust Trump if he says he knew nothing about Epstein's sexual misconduct?

Uh....no.

-- A2SG, but if you feel otherwise, you're free to trust him to babysit your teenage daughter, if you like.....
 
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