And WHAT IS ACTS 16:15 SAYING. TO YOU. ??

Dan Perez · Jul 22, 2025

ACTS 16:15 reads , And when she and her household were BAPTIZED /. BAPTISO. , is in. the Aorist Tense , means it happened in. the past ,

is in the PASSIVE VOICE , MEANING Christ had a hand in verse 15

in the INDICATIVE MOOD , meaning you better believe it ,

and is in. the Singular , meaning it will. not happen again !

Your thoughts as to what , the BAPTISM is with Water or without Water

OR is it Baptism of the Holy Spirit ?

dan p

Hoping2 · Jul 22, 2025

Dan Perez said:
ACTS 16:15 reads , And when she and her household were BAPTIZED /. BAPTISO. , is in. the Aorist Tense , means it happened in. the past ,

is in the PASSIVE VOICE , MEANING Christ had a hand in verse 15

in the INDICATIVE MOOD , meaning you better believe it ,

and is in. the Singular , meaning it will. not happen again !

Your thoughts as to what , the BAPTISM is with Water or without Water

OR is it Baptism of the Holy Spirit ?

dan p

The household was baptized in the past, relative to the time it was written about.
If their repentance from sin was true, baptism won't need to happen again, as there will be no more sins to be cleansed of.
As the speaking in tongues wasn't mentioned, (a byproduct of the giving of the gift of the Holy Ghost), I would say it was baptism using water, in the name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of past sins.

Maria Billingsley · Jul 22, 2025

Dan Perez said:
ACTS 16:15 reads , And when she and her household were BAPTIZED /. BAPTISO. , is in. the Aorist Tense , means it happened in. the past ,

is in the PASSIVE VOICE , MEANING Christ had a hand in verse 15

in the INDICATIVE MOOD , meaning you better believe it ,

and is in. the Singular , meaning it will. not happen again !

Your thoughts as to what , the BAPTISM is with Water or without Water

OR is it Baptism of the Holy Spirit ?

dan p

She already possed faith so her next step was to receive His Holy Spirit and she and her household did.
Blessings

Fervent · Jul 23, 2025

Aorist tense only means a completed action, not necessarily past. Passive voice just means that the subject receives the action rather than perform it, indicative mood just means that its descriptive, and being in the singular refers to there being 1 subject.

None of that has anything to do with whether there was water, though since the word itself means to submerse the most natural way to understand it is with water when there is no further specification.

BelieveItOarKnot · Jul 23, 2025

Dan Perez said:
ACTS 16:15 reads , And when she and her household were BAPTIZED /. BAPTISO. , is in. the Aorist Tense , means it happened in. the past ,

is in the PASSIVE VOICE , MEANING Christ had a hand in verse 15

in the INDICATIVE MOOD , meaning you better believe it ,

and is in. the Singular , meaning it will. not happen again !

Your thoughts as to what , the BAPTISM is with Water or without Water

OR is it Baptism of the Holy Spirit ?

dan p

I believed. Instantly changed. Baptised by the Holy Spirit. No longer alone in my heart. The Spirit of Christ is "in me."

We may engage in various exercises after the fact, but those are certainly not meant to condemn anyone to hell for not doing it a certain way nor not doing it at all. That whole notion is utterly ridiculous, and a typical religious LIE.

And I'd say the same things about many of the notions that have crept into various congregations. They have turned into tools to divide and conquer and condemn. Ugly practices, all, if that's at the heart of any of it.

Not a single one of those actions justified anyone on the INSIDE.

God's Love changes us, and His Love never ends, nor does His Mercy ever end

Oooops, somebody did something wrong, a hair was not fully immersed! Boy, that's trouble huh? That person could go to hell!

Such petty games. We unfortunately end up in that game too. I was water baptised 3 times, just to make sure I had it right. Once as a child in the ALC, once when coverted to RCC, and once, fully immersed, in the charismatic arena.

In retrospect I was sorely misled, in at least 2 out of the 3 times. I don't think God condemned me before or after to start with.

How about you Dan? Do you use baptisO to condemn yourself or others? Does it make you fear? Or make you feel powerful, that you have it right?

bling · Jul 23, 2025

Dan Perez said:
ACTS 16:15 reads , And when she and her household were BAPTIZED /. BAPTISO. , is in. the Aorist Tense , means it happened in. the past ,

is in the PASSIVE VOICE , MEANING Christ had a hand in verse 15

in the INDICATIVE MOOD , meaning you better believe it ,

and is in. the Singular , meaning it will. not happen again !

Your thoughts as to what , the BAPTISM is with Water or without Water

OR is it Baptism of the Holy Spirit ?

dan p

This all happens in the context of: Acts 16: 31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.” 32 Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house. 33 At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his household were baptized.

Looking at the Jailer and his household experience we find first: “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household”. After that we have Paul preaching to both Jailer and all the others in his household. The Jailer responds with an act of Loving kindness after the sermon and then they are all baptized, but which baptism was that?

They were baptized at the time and not previously.

Lydia invited them the stay at her house after she and her household were baptized, but what baptism was that?

Both Lydia and the river and the jailer washing Paul and Silas had water available to them.

Lydia and the Jailer showed no signs of miraculous powers from the Spirit, so how could Paul know they were baptized by the Spirit if that is the baptism being talked about?

Dan Perez · Tuesday at 3:34 PM

Fervent said:
Aorist tense only means a completed action, not necessarily past. Passive voice just means that the subject receives the action rather than perform it, indicative mood just means that its descriptive, and being in the singular refers to there being 1 subject.

None of that has anything to do with whether there was water, though since the word itself means to submerse the most natural way to understand it is with water when there is no further specification.

And anyone can google what the Aorist Tense means and the Greek Water /. HYDOR is not in. the Greek Text !!

dan. p

Fervent · Tuesday at 11:12 PM

Dan Perez said:
And anyone can google what the Aorist Tense means and the Greek Water /. HYDOR is not in. the Greek Text !!

dan. p

It doesn't need to be.

Dan Perez · Wednesday at 4:52 PM

Fervent said:
It doesn't need to be.

And , then the. Holy Spirit. does not need to BE . there Also , when. ever I say so. !!\

dan p

Fervent · Wednesday at 4:55 PM

Dan Perez said:
And , then the. Holy Spirit. does not need to BE . there Also , when. ever I say so. !!\

dan p

WOrds depend on context, and the word "baptizo" indicates a substance, particularly water, where it is present with no need for there to be a special statement about water. It is implied, because of the nature of the word.

Dan Perez · Wednesday at 7:55 PM

Fervent said:
WOrds depend on context, and the word "baptizo" indicates a substance, particularly water, where it is present with no need for there to be a special statement about water. It is implied, because of the nature of the word.

Just one more time , In Rom 6:3 reads , Or are you IGNORANT , that as many as were BAPTIZED into Christ

were BAPTIZED into His Death. !!

I do not see the Greek word for WATER /. HYDOR !!

What does BAPTIZED mean. here ?? And remember that Acts 1:5 says that John indeed Baptized with WATER / HYDOR

and remember that the words BAPTIZED with WATER is in the AORIST TENSE , means happened in. the past time

and is NOW GONE !!

dan p

Fervent · Wednesday at 8:59 PM

Dan Perez said:
Just one more time , In Rom 6:3 reads , Or are you IGNORANT , that as many as were BAPTIZED into Christ

were BAPTIZED into His Death. !!

I do not see the Greek word for WATER /. HYDOR !!

What does BAPTIZED mean. here ?? And remember that Acts 1:5 says that John indeed Baptized with WATER / HYDOR

and remember that the words BAPTIZED with WATER is in the AORIST TENSE , means happened in. the past time

and is NOW GONE !!

dan p

And what, exactly, do you think baptized means?

Dan Perez · Wednesday at 9:52 PM

Fervent said:
And what, exactly, do you think baptized means?

AND the Greek word BAP[TISMA means Holy Spirit 22 times from Matt 3:7---1 Peter 3:21

And Bapto means to DIP

And BAPTIMOS IN Heb 6:2 refers to. Washing and Cleansing

And in 1 Cor 10:2 BAPTIZED. means PLACED

And I'm Eph 4:5 , means HOLY SPIRIT

And in Rom 6:3 Baptism , means PLACED

And in Rom 6:4 Baptism , means Baptisma and mens PLACED into Christ Death

The best I can. do , and also Acts 1:5 where BAPTISM is in. the AORIST Tense and other in. Acts BAPTISM OF

Holy Spirit.

By the way , the Aorist Tense means that BAPTISM of John in. Acts 1. :5 was CANCELED by. the APORIST Tense.

dan p

Fervent · Wednesday at 10:11 PM

Dan Perez said:
AND the Greek word BAP[TISMA means Holy Spirit 22 times from Matt 3:7---1 Peter 3:21

And Bapto means to DIP

And BAPTIMOS IN Heb 6:2 refers to. Washing and Cleansing

And in 1 Cor 10:2 BAPTIZED. means PLACED

And I'm Eph 4:5 , means HOLY SPIRIT

And in Rom 6:3 Baptism , means PLACED

And in Rom 6:4 Baptism , means Baptisma and mens PLACED into Christ Death

The best I can. do , and also Acts 1:5 where BAPTISM is in. the AORIST Tense and other in. Acts BAPTISM OF

Holy Spirit.

By the way , the Aorist Tense means that BAPTISM of John in. Acts 1. :5 was CANCELED by. the APORIST Tense.

dan p

Spirit is pneuma, not any form of baptize. The Greek word for baptize means submerse.

Dan Perez · Thursday at 5:57 PM

Fervent said:
Spirit is pneuma, not any form of baptize. The Greek word for baptize means submerse.

And in. Acts 1:5 reads , For. John indeed Baptized with water But you will be BAPTIZED / BAPTIZO , with WATER / HYDOR

But you will be BAPTIZED / BAPTIZO. , ( NO WATER / HYDOR HERE ). With Holy Spirit , not many of these days after .

And the Greek word BAPTIZED / BAPTIZO , is in. the Aorist Tense , inbbthe Active Voice , in the Indicative Mood ,

and the words , will be Baptized is in. the Greek Future Tense , in. the Passive Voice .

And. I believe that Baptism with Holy Spirit is VERY RIGHT ON. !

dan p

Fervent · Thursday at 6:23 PM

Dan Perez said:
And in. Acts 1:5 reads , For. John indeed Baptized with water But you will be BAPTIZED / BAPTIZO , with WATER / HYDOR

But you will be BAPTIZED / BAPTIZO. , ( NO WATER / HYDOR HERE ). With Holy Spirit , not many of these days after .

And the Greek word BAPTIZED / BAPTIZO , is in. the Aorist Tense , inbbthe Active Voice , in the Indicative Mood ,

and the words , will be Baptized is in. the Greek Future Tense , in. the Passive Voice .

And. I believe that Baptism with Holy Spirit is VERY RIGHT ON. !

dan p

Yes, in Acts 1:5 baptism is being used metaphorically. But it's not the form of baptism that indicates baptism in the spirit but because the word "pneuma" is present. But the word 'baptizo" doesn't require the presence of a word for water to be about water, it requires some alternative be present to indicate the alternative. Where it is unqualified, it's with water.

Dan Perez · Thursday at 7:02 PM

Fervent said:
Yes, in Acts 1:5 baptism is being used metaphorically. But it's not the form of baptism that indicates baptism in the spirit but because the word "pneuma" is present. But the word 'baptizo" doesn't require the presence of a word for water to be about water, it requires some alternative be present to indicate the alternative. Where it is unqualified, it's with water.

AND what you are. saying that Acts 1:5 does not means what. the Greek text is really Metaphorically and that will be and answer to any response to ALL , is just metaphorically , thanks for a good answer ??

dan p

Fervent · Thursday at 7:07 PM

Dan Perez said:
AND what you are. saying that Acts 1:5 does not means what. the Greek text is really Metaphorically and that will be and answer to any response to ALL , is just metaphorically , thanks for a good answer ??

dan p

No, I'm not disputing Acts 1:5. But it is the presence of pneumati that makes it baptism in the Holy Spirit, while places without specification carry the implication of water being used. Baptism in Acts 1:5 is an analogy/metaphor because the pouring out of the Spirit at Pentacost was akin to being submersed. Using acts normatively is highly questionable, because it is a descriptive book so we can't generalize in a straightforward manner.

Dan Perez · 2025-08-03T20:44:09-0500

Fervent said:
No, I'm not disputing Acts 1:5. But it is the presence of pneumati that makes it baptism in the Holy Spirit, while places without specification carry the implication of water being used. Baptism in Acts 1:5 is an analogy/metaphor because the pouring out of the Spirit at Pentacost was akin to being submersed. Using acts normatively is highly questionable, because it is a descriptive book so we can't generalize in a straightforward manner.

And it seems more like Your answer is Eristic !!

dan p

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