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That last bit "Relying on the wealth of it’s minerals whilst allowing much of it industry and much experience to disappear and fly off overseas" is called trade. AKA globalisation. AKA trust with friendly neighbours.

Has any country ever been able to reverse the trend of economic modernisation? I'm no economist or historian - but it seems to go:-
  1. peasant farmers to industrial revolution. (Which is the industrialisation of both land and production.)
  2. manufacturing
  3. growth in wealth and productivity
  4. shift to a modern services and information and innovation economy as the manufacturing gets outsourced to developing countries with cheaper labour, salaries, and exchange rates

Australia had our experiment with tariffs. We got our fingers burnt back in the 1970's trying to defend a domestic electronics industry. We got colour TV a decade after everyone else and they were double the price!

Adam Smith recommended against tariffs in his "Wealth of nations". (Again - I'm no economist - I've heard this recently - not read it myself.)

I'm betting that if it's between a man diagnosed as a Malignant Narcissist by over 230 experts - and Adam Smith - I'm picking Adam Smith.

Trump defies all the normal 'laws' of a modern economy. He uses tariffs as a bartering tool in international diplomacy - when most nations tried to use other things and set up a rules based order in the WTC. He has even been accused of rigging the stock market by letting friends know before big announcements on relaxing tariffs - which saw big trade bets just BEFORE he announced a 90 day reprieve on tariffs.

Why are you guys allowing this? It's annoying all your allies - and it seems the President has nerfed the normal democratic protocols of CONGRESS being in charge of tariffs. When and why did that change? Why are you gradually allowing a President to become a King - and soak up all the powers - and judge international affairs by how well they've dished out his need for narcissistic supply and flattering his enormously insecure ego?
Eclipse when thinking upon President Trump and the experts. Well he keeps on defying the experts and proving them wrong. Their economy is booming and inflation be no more. You may call him narcissistic or a king if you so choose. But the reality seems to me that he be doing everything the American people voted for him to do. At least the ones that voted for him.
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Eclipse as to the AkA and the globalisation of friendly neighbours. Well charity firstly begins at home. How much of Australia really belongs to Australia or Australian's anymore ? As to the Australia in in the 70’s I guess when you had utopian dreamers like prime minister Goth Whitlam and globalists like prime minister Malcom Fraser running the show it wasn’t so much fun living in the Australia economically in the 70’s. You ask why you guys are allowing this. You say it’s annoying. Well me not one of those peoples up yonder. I be down under as you Maybe if little ambassador Kevin would have kept his mouth shut on what he thought of president Trump whilst he was out of office. Then Australia’s relationship might be some healthier. But I guess he went with the experts that President Trump would never again see White House status. A lesson to be learned from listening to all the so called experts I guess. Eclipse I do send greetings to us all here in down under land : )
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Eclipse when thinking upon President Trump and the experts. Well he keeps on defying the experts and proving them wrong. Their economy is booming and inflation be no more. You may call him narcissistic or a king if you so choose. But the reality seems to me that he be doing everything the American people voted for him to do.

With what evidence do you make these bizarre assertions? Manufacturing industry in green tech was FLOODING in under Biden's IRA - a big carrot enticing manufacturing back? EG: By 2030 America would have been manufacturing so many batteries that they could have (hypothetically) powered every new car as a 100% EV bought in the USA!

These batteries will however be split through different sectors - also - businesses don't know WHAT to invest in or do from day to day because of Trump's chaotic and ever changing tariffs.

I'm not sure what you are asking about? We are an interdependent country like most in the modern world. Human beings are social creates - and being a mature adult is not about independence like some lone wolf - but appropriate empowered interdependence. Adam Smith explained trade in similar terms - that we all get richer when we trade.

SURE - if there's even a hint of geopolitical concerns about trusting the supply lines - I say subsidise or even NATIONALISE the thing!
But generally speaking, democracies get along - and trade according to the WTO - and we all get a bit wealthier under this system. I'm a greenie and would LOVE to see faster action on climate, less trading of fossil fuels, etc. But generally - although not perfect - although often corrupted by this or that lobby group or agenda - generally speaking the system sort of works.

Until Trump.


Maybe if little ambassador Kevin would have kept his mouth shut on what he thought of president Trump whilst he was out of office.
Nope. I'm with Malcolm Turnbull. One has to stand up to a bully. Trump sees himself as the 'big daddy' of the world - and is using tariffs to make sure every world leader flies over to 'kiss the ring'. They're really just giving him "Narcissistic Supply" - feeding his psychological disorder. He doesn't have friends - he has what psychiatrists call "Flying Monkey's" - those who serve the wicked witch! That's his team of "yes" men and women gathering around and applauding everything he says.

Even if Trump suddenly dies of a heart attack - the fact that America elected him repeatedly - and knowingly - means they have changed. Until such time as there is a profound cultural shift that disses crazy tinfoil hat stuff and respects the REALITY of climate change, Covid, long-term security arrangements, etc, Australia should trade with more reliable partners. And that also includes mutual defence pacts.

And after thinking about it deeply - I'm not sure we should join America if they defend Taiwan. I hate that China wants Taiwan. I hate that a democracy could fall! But unlike Putin - who has repeatedly stated he dreams of restoring the old USSR - China might actually stop with Taiwan. And with Trump being so 'America first' and 'no more overseas wars' - I wonder if China will mistake that for a green light to GO on Taiwan?

I certainly don't want a war with China - but feel we should continue to support Ukraine against the march across Europe.
 
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With what evidence do you make these bizarre assertions? Manufacturing industry in green tech was FLOODING in under Biden's IRA - a big carrot enticing manufacturing back? EG: By 2030 America would have been manufacturing so many batteries that they could have (hypothetically) powered every new car as a 100% EV bought in the USA!

These batteries will however be split through different sectors - also - businesses don't know WHAT to invest in or do from day to day because of Trump's chaotic and ever changing tariffs.

I'm not sure what you are asking about? We are an interdependent country like most in the modern world. Human beings are social creates - and being a mature adult is not about independence like some lone wolf - but appropriate empowered interdependence. Adam Smith explained trade in similar terms - that we all get richer when we trade.

SURE - if there's even a hint of geopolitical concerns about trusting the supply lines - I say subsidise or even NATIONALISE the thing!
But generally speaking, democracies get along - and trade according to the WTO - and we all get a bit wealthier under this system. I'm a greenie and would LOVE to see faster action on climate, less trading of fossil fuels, etc. But generally - although not perfect - although often corrupted by this or that lobby group or agenda - generally speaking the system sort of works.

Until Trump.



Nope. I'm with Malcolm Turnbull. One has to stand up to a bully. Trump sees himself as the 'big daddy' of the world - and is using tariffs to make sure every world leader flies over to 'kiss the ring'. They're really just giving him "Narcissistic Supply" - feeding his psychological disorder. He doesn't have friends - he has what psychiatrists call "Flying Monkey's" - those who serve the wicked witch! That's his team of "yes" men and women gathering around and applauding everything he says.

Even if Trump suddenly dies of a heart attack - the fact that America elected him repeatedly - and knowingly - means they have changed. Until such time as there is a profound cultural shift that disses crazy tinfoil hat stuff and respects the REALITY of climate change, Covid, long-term security arrangements, etc, Australia should trade with more reliable partners. And that also includes mutual defence pacts.

And after thinking about it deeply - I'm not sure we should join America if they defend Taiwan. I hate that China wants Taiwan. I hate that a democracy could fall! But unlike Putin - who has repeatedly stated he dreams of restoring the old USSR - China might actually stop with Taiwan. And with Trump being so 'America first' and 'no more overseas wars' - I wonder if China will mistake that for a green light to GO on Taiwan?

I certainly don't want a war with China - but feel we should continue to support Ukraine against the march across Europe.
You ask from where I make these bizarre assertions ? You then mention Biden’s green tech miracle flooding the viecle
With what evidence do you make these bizarre assertions? Manufacturing industry in green tech was FLOODING in under Biden's IRA - a big carrot enticing manufacturing back? EG: By 2030 America would have been manufacturing so many batteries that they could have (hypothetically) powered every new car as a 100% EV bought in the USA!

These batteries will however be split through different sectors - also - businesses don't know WHAT to invest in or do from day to day because of Trump's chaotic and ever changing tariffs.

I'm not sure what you are asking about? We are an interdependent country like most in the modern world. Human beings are social creates - and being a mature adult is not about independence like some lone wolf - but appropriate empowered interdependence. Adam Smith explained trade in similar terms - that we all get richer when we trade.

SURE - if there's even a hint of geopolitical concerns about trusting the supply lines - I say subsidise or even NATIONALISE the thing!
But generally speaking, democracies get along - and trade according to the WTO - and we all get a bit wealthier under this system. I'm a greenie and would LOVE to see faster action on climate, less trading of fossil fuels, etc. But generally - although not perfect - although often corrupted by this or that lobby group or agenda - generally speaking the system sort of works.

Until Trump.



Nope. I'm with Malcolm Turnbull. One has to stand up to a bully. Trump sees himself as the 'big daddy' of the world - and is using tariffs to make sure every world leader flies over to 'kiss the ring'. They're really just giving him "Narcissistic Supply" - feeding his psychological disorder. He doesn't have friends - he has what psychiatrists call "Flying Monkey's" - those who serve the wicked witch! That's his team of "yes" men and women gathering around and applauding everything he says.

Even if Trump suddenly dies of a heart attack - the fact that America elected him repeatedly - and knowingly - means they have changed. Until such time as there is a profound cultural shift that disses crazy tinfoil hat stuff and respects the REALITY of climate change, Covid, long-term security arrangements, etc, Australia should trade with more reliable partners. And that also includes mutual defence pacts.

And after thinking about it deeply - I'm not sure we should join America if they defend Taiwan. I hate that China wants Taiwan. I hate that a democracy could fall! But unlike Putin - who has repeatedly stated he dreams of restoring the old USSR - China might actually stop with Taiwan. And with Trump being so 'America first' and 'no more overseas wars' - I wonder if China will mistake that for a green light to GO on Taiwan?

Eclipse you state from what evidence do I make these bizarre claims ??? Well Eclipse perhaps you should seek closer to home in Australia on that matter. Where you actually have a kingship . You know like the king of the British commonwealth and maybe leave it there than following the mere mindless assumptions of mad hatters thinking that president Trump would ever want to be a king. Yes leave those thoughts where they belong. And that being In ga ga land . That’s all I say.
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Eclipse you then mention Biden’s green tech industry pouring in with the possibility of having every vehicle powered by battery by 2030. Perhaps a persons choice what they desire would have been a better option. I just luv the feel of a gear stick at full throttle and the reliability of juice injected power to hit the spot namely with what is know as fuel to get me from A to B. When thinking upon battery driven cars they have their place . But to have the entire American economy run by battery powered vehicles by 2030 would be an impossibility. Considering the infrastructure required for such a endeavour with charging stations and how long it takes to recharge a vehicle. And of course there was the reliability of the very few charging stations that they did complete. Quite a number failed to deliver what they claimed . If the policy had been followed to completion and had not been changed by the present government . Than the American economy would have ceased to function.
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As to trade. Well there is nothing wrong with trade within itself. But at the same time you don’t give up your essential industries Now Eclipse where is the Australian car manufacturing industry today. Gone forever it seems. Ford Australia and Holden be no more . BHP is no longer Australian owned but majority foreign owned. A portion of our waterways and dams are foreign owned such as the Murray Darling basin. And even our good old Commo bank now be foreign owned that’s all I say when thinking upon trade and ownership and sovereignty of one’s own nation . So you be a admirer of the Malcom Turnbull. Ok. Malcom’s dislike of Trump is well known. And you also claim that President Trump be mentally ill too. On the other hand it seems to me that you may suffer from Trump derangement syndrome also. Seems Trump derangement syndrome is not immune from Australia. As to president Trump being daddy that is what others claim of him. Trump has never claimed that of himself As to climate change . Eclipse climate change happens everyday. Mother Earth has her ways . Humanity dosnt really get to have a opinion on that. That be in the hands of God. But if you want go with all Al Gores predictions of doom and gloom we should have been all toasted some 15 yrs ago . And what of the the expanding holes in the ozone layer that they all screamed about it in the 80s blaming humanity’s pollution once more for the deed ? It turned out as truth eventually caught up with the lie that it was a natural reoccurring yearly event where both poles expanding or decreasing at different times of the year. You now hear nothing of the matter today . So I would be more careful with what the environmental movement and greenies claim all in the name of the environment. Manufacturing climate is a big business. Something to think about. As to Trump setting off a war. Seems to me he has done everything to prevent war although his outlook on the Gaza situation does leave much to be desired and one has many reservations. How much leeway does Israel get considering 50 thousand Palestinians now lay dead with all their infrastructure destroyed compared to Israel’s some 1300 dead . How much blood does Israel demand ?
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You do mention the question of Taiwan. Is it a acceptable sacrifice to make and cede Taiwan to the communists to preserve peace. Firstly Taiwan is not as Hong Kong under a 99 yr lease given unto the British after the opium wars with China commencing in 1898 and transpiring in 1997 . The Taiwan situation is entirely different. They be the remnant of the Chinese nationalist people they never surrendered and refused communist rule . If we take that path then why not give up my ancestral homeland of South Korea to communism rule too. That all me write for now . I do wish you a pleasant Saturday evening in your Sydney. Regards Kathleen
 
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You ask from where I make these bizarre assertions ? You then mention Biden’s green tech miracle flooding the viecle
I don't really know how that relates to any of my points before - and what your position is - and what you're really saying.
 
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I don't really know how that relates to any of my points before - and what your position is - and what you're really saying.
Well Eclipse I’ll leave it at that . Seems that no one can relate to your points all except you.
 
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And what of the the expanding holes in the ozone layer that they all screamed about it in the 80s blaming humanity’s pollution once more for the deed ? It turned out as truth eventually caught up with the lie that it was a natural reoccurring yearly event where both poles expanding or decreasing at different times of the year. You now hear nothing of the matter today .

The hole in the ozone layer?

1. It wasn't a lie. The satellite data is comprehensive. Yes, the ozone layer hole grew/shrank through the year. But, we knew about that oscillation at the time (satellite monitoring began in the late 1970s). The issue was that humans were causing the hole to grow exponentially. Arguing the human-induced ozone layer is a "lie" is like arguing global warming isn't happening, or the world is flat.

2. The reason you don't hear about it anymore is that the hole is in the process of closing (NASA has a monitoring site HERE). The expectation is that the ozone layer should recover from almost all of the human-caused damage done to it 2040 to 2045 (UN/EU/NASA 2022 assessment HERE).

What happened is that the world got together in the early 1980s, signed the Montreal Protocol in 1987, followed through with it with additional measures and reduced global CFC and HFC use by more than 95%. It took ~15 years, plenty of lobbying, more than a little international pressure and some major changes to industrial processes, but we got it done.


I only wish we had the same success with climate change. As it's going at the moment, we're on for a record or near-record year for temperatures, while solar activity continues to decrease. I had to read the OPEC oil outlook out to 2050 for work today and it was bloody depressing. Coal consumption down ~30 million bpd (energy equivalents) over the forecast period, but oil to grow 15-20 million and LNG about the same.
 
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The hole in the ozone layer?

1. It wasn't a lie. The satellite data is comprehensive. Yes, the ozone layer hole grew/shrank through the year. But, we knew about that oscillation at the time (satellite monitoring began in the late 1970s). The issue was that humans were causing the hole to grow exponentially. Arguing the human-induced ozone layer is a "lie" is like arguing global warming isn't happening, or the world is flat.

2. The reason you don't hear about it anymore is that the hole is in the process of closing (NASA has a monitoring site HERE). The expectation is that the ozone layer should recover from almost all of the human-caused damage done to it 2040 to 2045 (UN/EU/NASA 2022 assessment HERE).

What happened is that the world got together in the early 1980s, signed the Montreal Protocol in 1987, followed through with it with additional measures and reduced global CFC and HFC use by more than 95%. It took ~15 years, plenty of lobbying, more than a little international pressure and some major changes to industrial processes, but we got it done.


I only wish we had the same success with climate change. As it's going at the moment, we're on for a record or near-record year for temperatures, while solar activity continues to decrease. I had to read the OPEC oil outlook out to 2050 for work today and it was bloody depressing. Coal consumption down ~30 million bpd (energy equivalents) over the forecast period, but oil to grow 15-20 million and LNG about the same.
The holes in the ozone are a natural occurrence . I never said they weren’t real. Only that all the climate change propaganda saying that humanity was the cause of it all with all of humanity’s pollution that was the lie . And again the holes increase and decrease as they please. Do remember climate change is a big business and also a way to control society.
 
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The holes in the ozone are a natural occurrence . I never said they weren’t real. Only that all the climate change propaganda saying that humanity was the cause of it all with all of humanity’s pollution that was the lie . And again the holes increase and decrease as they please. Do remember climate change is a big business and also a way to control society.
Conspiracy theory forum is down that way....
And way to misrepresent what's actually said.
 
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Conspiracy theory forum is down that way....
And way to misrepresent what's actually said.
Really. Conspiracies happen anywhere any time. Just minus the theory in this regard. By the way many of those so called conspiracy theories often turn out to be true . But you’re entitled to your opinion. But with me. You know what you can do with your opinion
 
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Really. Conspiracies happen anywhere any time. Just minus the theory in this regard. By the way many of those so called conspiracy theories often turn out to be true . But you’re entitled to your opinion. But with me. You know what you can do with your opinion
"Many". List some. There are more false than those who end up having even a hint of truth to them, and in those cases it's easy to see them because those ones have something concrete to back them up. But complaining that climate change is propaganda and about ozone holes, is akin to saying that pot holes occure naturally while wielding a sledgehammer and smacking the concrete. And the conspiracy part is the "way to control society" part especially of your statement.
 
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The holes in the ozone are a natural occurrence . I never said they weren’t real. Only that all the climate change propaganda saying that humanity was the cause of it all with all of humanity’s pollution that was the lie . And again the holes increase and decrease as they please. Do remember climate change is a big business and also a way to control society.


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I'm sorry but I think you got that back to front!

Climate scientists might earn $100k a year - but a Big Oil CEO probably earns that in their lunchbreak. Tell me - who has more motivation to lie?

Who has been CAUGHT lying? Exxon scientists predicted global warming with 'shocking skill and accuracy,' Harvard researchers say

Climate scientists are data driven people analysing tough questions in a slow and methodical and laborious way, trying to help the human race. Yet they get death threats from the foaming-at-the-mouth alt right for this valuable work? What has them so outraged? Ah - they perceive there are those who want to "control society". You said you believe in conspiracy theories? The link above proves one!

Also, climate change IS a thing. It's almost backyard science - indeed - Mythbusters proved the basic physics. In 1856 Eunice Foote put identical thermometers in identical glass jars in identical sunlight and filled them with different gases. Lo and behold! The CO2 jar was hot - and the methane jar even hotter! Imagine! Science works! Basically - this was old, settled physics before our grandparents even went to kindergarten.

Other points to consider:-

Why own an EV?
CHEAPER! Electricity as a fuel is cheaper than oil, and EV’s have no engine to service. Over the life of the vehicle they are cheaper. Soon they’ll be cheaper to buy outright!

PATRIOTIC
If we remain dependent on oil, we prop up the oil price so Petro-Tyrants like Russia and various Middle East types make extra profits. If the price lowers, we bankrupt our enemies.

POLLUTION COSTS MORE THAN THE SOLUTION!
4 universities studied global fossil fuel pollution: it kills 8 million people a year - that’s 1 in 5 deaths in 2018.
Deaths from fossil fuel emissions higher than previously thought
The EXTRA health costs to the world is $5 TRILLION a year.
Stop funding pollution
IEA estimates we only need to spend $4 Trillion a year on the Energy Transition. https://www.iea.org/reports/net-zero-by-2050
The sooner we do this, the sooner it pays for itself!

OIL IS FINITE
Oil does not run out any time soon - maybe in 50 years or so. But that's not what is important. Peak oil means after decades of ramping up a field is at its peak - and then starts to decline. GLOBAL peak oil means global oil output will peak - and then start to decline. Imagine the price? Imagine the geopolitical tensions - when it takes 10 calories of energy to grow 1 calorie of food?
At current rates - Oil RUNS OUT in about 50-ish years. Gas is less, and even COAL just over a century.
Years of fossil fuel reserves left

QUESTION: considering Japan bombed pear harbour because they were under an energy embargo - can you see any potential downsides to NOT preparing for peak oil? It takes a decent amount of energy to mine and refine the various metals for batteries. The long term goal is to not use any fossil fuels - and recycle all these metals we've mined into the new EV's. But the first generation is going to take some oil to get there! How about we prepare BEFORE some kind of peak oil Armageddon? Sounds like an idea to me! Peak oil - Wikipedia
 
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I'm sorry but I think you got that back to front!

Climate scientists might earn $100k a year - but a Big Oil CEO probably earns that in their lunchbreak. Tell me - who has more motivation to lie?

Who has been CAUGHT lying? Exxon scientists predicted global warming with 'shocking skill and accuracy,' Harvard researchers say

Climate scientists are data driven people analysing tough questions in a slow and methodical and laborious way, trying to help the human race. Yet they get death threats from the foaming-at-the-mouth alt right for this valuable work? What has them so outraged? Ah - they perceive there are those who want to "control society". You said you believe in conspiracy theories? The link above proves one!

Also, climate change IS a thing. It's almost backyard science - indeed - Mythbusters proved the basic physics. In 1856 Eunice Foote put identical thermometers in identical glass jars in identical sunlight and filled them with different gases. Lo and behold! The CO2 jar was hot - and the methane jar even hotter! Imagine! Science works! Basically - this was old, settled physics before our grandparents even went to kindergarten.

Other points to consider:-

Why own an EV?
CHEAPER! Electricity as a fuel is cheaper than oil, and EV’s have no engine to service. Over the life of the vehicle they are cheaper. Soon they’ll be cheaper to buy outright!

PATRIOTIC
If we remain dependent on oil, we prop up the oil price so Petro-Tyrants like Russia and various Middle East types make extra profits. If the price lowers, we bankrupt our enemies.

POLLUTION COSTS MORE THAN THE SOLUTION!
4 universities studied global fossil fuel pollution: it kills 8 million people a year - that’s 1 in 5 deaths in 2018.
Deaths from fossil fuel emissions higher than previously thought
The EXTRA health costs to the world is $5 TRILLION a year.
Stop funding pollution
IEA estimates we only need to spend $4 Trillion a year on the Energy Transition. https://www.iea.org/reports/net-zero-by-2050
The sooner we do this, the sooner it pays for itself!

OIL IS FINITE
Oil does not run out any time soon - maybe in 50 years or so. But that's not what is important. Peak oil means after decades of ramping up a field is at its peak - and then starts to decline. GLOBAL peak oil means global oil output will peak - and then start to decline. Imagine the price? Imagine the geopolitical tensions - when it takes 10 calories of energy to grow 1 calorie of food?
At current rates - Oil RUNS OUT in about 50-ish years. Gas is less, and even COAL just over a century.
Years of fossil fuel reserves left

QUESTION: considering Japan bombed pear harbour because they were under an energy embargo - can you see any potential downsides to NOT preparing for peak oil? It takes a decent amount of energy to mine and refine the various metals for batteries. The long term goal is to not use any fossil fuels - and recycle all these metals we've mined into the new EV's. But the first generation is going to take some oil to get there! How about we prepare BEFORE some kind of peak oil Armageddon? Sounds like an idea to me! Peak oil - Wikipedia
Eclipse what a climate scientist makes and an oil executive makes really has no bearing. Big business invests in both. It suits them just fine with all the climate mongering. They invest both ways. Either way oil prices are kept a whole lot higher than they should be and we pay through the teeth both ways. Be it by oil and fuel exploitation or by climate infrastructure exploitation . It’s always the everyday person that is milked and who has to foot the bill.
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As to climate scientists all being data driven. Well all scientists do claim the same. At the same time data can be manipulated and doctored to promote a political view or economic advantage such as with cigarettes when many a good doctor used to promote the well being of the cigarette to one’s soul back in the 40s to the 60s from what I have read. Fraud even promoted a dab of cocaine to his clients and so much more be it from the many claims of the specialist fields .
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Again you mention petro tyrants. Some amusing : ) there also climo tyrants too. They often have their fingers in both pies. Now again when thinking upon climate change l. I have no problem with climate change. As I said it happens everyday in various ways. What I have a problem is the political influence upon climate change as with the ozone layer and its holes which is now fully realised that they expand and decrease it’s a natural phenomenon and never really anything to do with aerosols. Far from It . More so when we consider what Mother Earth unleashes into our atmosphere on a daily basis like the gasses from volcanos even more so when they erupt along with various other things like forest fires. Car pollutions may be unhealthy to humanity but certainly not be to our vegetation for vegetation plants and trees thrive on it.. Now the arguments for and against ozone holes be a plenty. Our veiw points will probably never agree.
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Eclipse as to our oil production peaking and then declining there is always the matter of financial manipulation to consider . Some say fossil fuel is just a term used to make oil seem limited and precious. But considering the vast untapped oil resources in Alaska and many other places throughout the world not to mention that there be the strange habit of many oil wells that have run dry. But when checked in later yrs are now full to the max again. Seems to be a ever lasting abundance oil than what is claimed.
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Now you mention the Death toll from industrial pollution and vehicles. Your statistics from the universities are some 8 million deaths per year. Let’s say it’s correct. What are our alternatives. To suddenly ban all petrol driven cars and than to ban all coal fired powered stations as many environmentalists demand . What than ? The what then would be a death toll far exceeding the death toll you mention perhaps 20 fold more perhaps even more . Battery driven cars are not logical when it comes to travelling long distances and the infrastructure with power battery chargers is still problematic. And as to alternative energy filling the void replacing coal and gas via solar or wind power the alternative energy cannot be relied upon for immediate power nor constant reliable power for it depends on the good graces of the weather. It would be a economic disaster not to mention the well being of humanity for many of us without a reliable source of power.
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And finally Eclipse as we consider alternative energies we must always consider the well being of our human race. Have we found a better alternative energy that functions more cost effective and is a reliable source of energy other than the coal gas or nuclear that we have with us today. Not as yet or perhaps we have Eclipse perhaps there hidden away lovked under lock and key within the mind and thoughts of Nikola Tesla of clean and cheap energy within the boundaries of earths electrical fields that surround our planet. Me does think between all the religious fanatics and climate fanatics bidding for our final demise and destruction every year . It be a close run contest for first place between the both. One does think upon Georgia Guide Stones. I much happy that someone blew the nasty little stones up for promoting such a population diversity of only 1 billion people. Thankfully it be the God that has the final authority of when the earth shall end and not the science or dictates of men. Nor of anyone else that claims to determine the end. Yours Kathleen.
 

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