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The only thing I can garner from what they are asserting is the known, real threats of cyberspace attacks of other countries to interfere in the 2016 was contrived to by Obama himself to, I guess, keep Trump from winning 2016? Kind of like what Mueller laid out in his report:

In March 2016, the GRU began hacking the email accounts of Clinton Campaign volunteers and employees, including campaign chairman John Podesta. In April 2016, the GRU hacked into the computer networks of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) and the Democratic National Committee (DNC). The GRU stole hundreds of thousands of documents from the compromised email accounts and networks. Around the time that the DNC announced in mid-June 2016 the Russian government's role in hacking its network, the GRU began disseminating stolen materials through the fictitious online personas 'DCLeaks' and 'Guccifer 2.0'. The GRU later released additional materials through the organization WikiLeaks."

Honestly, I just don't get it.
 
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Summary of Whistleblower Reports and Allegations

1. Clinton Annex (July 2025):

• Context: On July 20, 2025, Senator Grassley, as Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman, released a declassified appendix to the DOJ Inspector General’s 2018 report, known as the “Clinton Annex.” This document critiqued the FBI’s handling of Hillary Clinton’s private email server investigation but also touched on broader investigative failures during the Obama administration.

• Whistleblower Claims: The annex, supported by whistleblower disclosures, revealed that the FBI failed to investigate thumb drives containing sensitive emails, including potential communications involving Obama, related to Clinton’s server. These thumb drives were allegedly exfiltrated from U.S. government agencies, raising questions about oversight and potential cover-ups.

• Link to Russian Collusion: While the annex primarily addresses the Clinton email probe, X posts (e.g., @holonabove, July 21, 2025) and some sources suggest it implies Obama’s complicity in a broader “Deep State” effort to shield Clinton and target Trump, including through the Russian collusion narrative. However, the annex itself does not directly tie Obama to the Crossfire Hurricane investigation or explicitly allege his involvement in manufacturing collusion evidence.

2. Tulsi Gabbard’s Declassified Documents (July 2025):

• Context: On July 18, 2025, Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard released declassified documents claiming “overwhelming evidence” that Obama and his national security team, including James Clapper, John Brennan, and James Comey, “manufactured and politicized intelligence” to create the Trump-Russia collusion narrative after Trump’s 2016 election win. These documents were turned over to the DOJ for criminal referral.

• Whistleblower and Intelligence Claims:

• The documents, reportedly supported by whistleblower accounts, allege that pre-election intelligence assessments (e.g., December 7, 2016, talking points for Clapper) stated Russia was “probably not trying” to influence the 2016 election via cyberattacks. Post-election, Obama allegedly ordered a new Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA) on December 6, 2016, to be completed before Trump’s inauguration, claiming Russia favored Trump. This ICA relied on unverified sources like the Steele dossier, a Clinton campaign-funded opposition research project.

• Gabbard claimed this was a “treasonous conspiracy” to “usurp” Trump and subvert the American electorate, accusing Obama of directing the effort. The documents suggest Obama’s team ignored earlier intelligence, rushed the ICA, and sidelined standard interagency review processes, raising concerns about politicization.

• Specific Allegations Against Obama:

• A December 9, 2016, meeting, convened by Obama with Clapper, Brennan, Comey, and FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, allegedly ordered a new ICA to perpetuate the collusion narrative, contradicting a Presidential Daily Brief (PDB) that found no evidence of Russian vote manipulation.

• A January 5, 2017, meeting, memorialized by Susan Rice in an inauguration-day email, reportedly involved Obama directing officials to withhold information from the Trump transition team, ensuring the collusion probe continued.

• Supporting Whistleblower Evidence: While Gabbard’s release cites “over 100 documents,” specific whistleblower identities or their direct testimonies remain classified or undisclosed. The claims rely on internal intelligence community reviews and declassified memos, such as a CIA report ordered by Director John Ratcliffe, which criticized the 2017 ICA’s rushed timeline and reliance on the Steele dossier.

3. CIA Report by John Ratcliffe (July 2025):

• Context: A declassified CIA memo, released July 2, 2025, under CIA Director John Ratcliffe, reviewed the 2017 ICA on Russian interference. It criticized the assessment’s rushed timeline and inclusion of the Steele dossier, which analysts knew was unverified.

• Whistleblower Input: The report, based partly on whistleblower accounts, alleged that Obama’s directive for a rapid ICA completion before Trump’s inauguration created a “politically charged environment.” It claimed Brennan and Clapper pressured analysts to elevate the dossier’s credibility, though it was only included as an appendix with caveats. The report does not directly state Obama ordered falsification but implies his timeline and oversight influenced the process.

• Obama’s Role: X posts (e.g., @ProfMJCleveland, July 7, 2025) and sources like The Federalist assert Obama was the “ringleader,” directing Brennan, Clapper, and Comey to push a false narrative. However, the CIA report itself focuses on procedural flaws and does not provide direct evidence of Obama’s intent to fabricate collusion.

Critical Examination

• Evidence and Limitations:

• The whistleblower reports, as cited in Gabbard’s and Ratcliffe’s documents, provide circumstantial evidence of Obama’s involvement through meeting records and directives (e.g., December 6, 2016, ICA order). However, they lack direct proof, such as communications from Obama explicitly instructing fabrication of evidence.

• The Steele dossier’s inclusion in the ICA, even as an appendix, is a key point of contention. Critics argue it was known to be unreliable, yet FBI leadership pushed for its use, potentially under Obama’s broader directive. However, the dossier did not initiate Crossfire Hurricane, which began in July 2016 based on Trump aide George Papadopoulos’s contacts with Russian intermediaries.
 
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Subject to the King of NY and in all irony an executive order extending the date. Live by the EO, get convicted by EO.
What EO? Did Trump sign an EO during his first term removing statute of limitations in New York?
 
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"Their goal was to usurp President Trump and subvert the will of the American people," Gabbard had posted to X on Friday regarding the criminal referral. "No matter how powerful, every person involved in this conspiracy must be investigated and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The integrity of our democratic republic depends on it. We are turning over all documents to the DOJ for criminal referral."
Kash Patel and crew? Their behavior and history is 110% untrustworthy.
Things like this will make the critical mass of voters realize they're off the rails. 2026 can't come soon enough.
 
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So exactly what fake evidence did Obama manufacture?
Mueller couldn't find it. Mueller found the real criminal... Even in the redacted edition.
 
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Which has more credibility, the Russian Collusion (which proved to be a hoax) or this documentation? It's interesting to see that those who were so ready to buy into the Russian Collusion Hoax are now poo-pooing this release of information.
 
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Which has more credibility, the Russian Collusion (which proved to be a hoax)
It wasn't a hoax when Trump's people confessed to colluding with Russia under oath. Only Trump's pardon kept his hired criminals out of prison.
 
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The topic as far as I can see is that Gabbert has fallen out of favor with Trump and is trying to find a suitable sacrifice whose head she can put on a platter and hand to him. I believe in the Mueller report. I believe that only Trump's presidency kept him from being indicted due to the evidence there, and it was very interesting that Mueller said they should keep all those records in case they could be used in the future.
 
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Sorry, strawmen and red herrings wont work on me. This has nothing to do with voter machines and everything to do with Obama abusing his powers to dig up dirt on Trump only to just make things up when they couldn't find anything for the sole purpose of keeping Trump out of the White house. That is clear and blatant election subversion and interference. Bigger than Watergate in my opinion.

lol, "in your opinion"?

And on what, exactly, is that opinion based, because you apparently didn't read much beyond the headlines. If you're claiming that this had "nothing to do with voter machines", you clearly didn't even bother to read Gabbard's 11 page memo.

It's funny that you say that "strawmen... won't work on you", because that's exactly what Gabbard's repeated conflations of hacking threats with other threats are: strawmen. So, not only is it apparently true that they do, in fact, work on you; but even when I call them out, you push back in a way that suggests that you want them to continue working on you.
 
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you clearly didn't even bother to read Gabbard's 11 page memo
Nope. I am more concerned about the "hundreds of documents" mentioned in the OP article. Have you reviewed all of them?
 
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Of course you didn’t. That much was obvious from all the overly confident nonsense you wrote in your last post, accusing me of logical fallacies without even knowing what I was talking about.


I am more concerned about the "hundreds of documents" mentioned in the OP article. Have you reviewed all of them?
I’ve skimmed them, which I bet is a lot more than you’ve done.
 
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Which has more credibility, the Russian Collusion (which proved to be a hoax) or this documentation? It's interesting to see that those who were so ready to buy into the Russian Collusion Hoax are now poo-pooing this release of information.
This document says the exact same thing we have been saying about Russia's efforts in the 2016 election for ... 7-8 years.
 
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What EO? Did Trump sign an EO during his first term removing statute of limitations in New York?
While that would likely apply only to the former President, legal experts tell CNN that prosecutors also benefit from an executive order that New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo issued last March that paused the clock on the statute of limitations to address the coronavirus pandemic’s impact on the New York court system. The executive order could give prosecutors another several months’ worth of conduct by the Trump Organization and its employees to investigate.
 
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Also as a side note to this charade that it is, what does one do with the SCOTUS Presidential Immunity ruling?

Chief Justice Roberts determines that “official conduct,” which garners presumptive immunity under the Court’s framework, may not be used as evidence of other crimes when prosecuting former presidents. The majority writes that permitting the examination of official conduct in the prosecution of a former president would defeat the purpose of the Court’s provision of immunity for this same conduct. According to Roberts, “Use of evidence about [official] conduct, even when an indictment alleges only unofficial conduct, would thereby heighten the prospect that the President’s official decision making will be distorted.”
 
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Also as a side note to this charade that it is, what does one do with the SCOTUS Presidential Immunity ruling?

Chief Justice Roberts determines that “official conduct,” which garners presumptive immunity under the Court’s framework, may not be used as evidence of other crimes when prosecuting former presidents. The majority writes that permitting the examination of official conduct in the prosecution of a former president would defeat the purpose of the Court’s provision of immunity for this same conduct. According to Roberts, “Use of evidence about [official] conduct, even when an indictment alleges only unofficial conduct, would thereby heighten the prospect that the President’s official decision making will be distorted.”
I am sure that many of us know exactly what we would do with the Supreme Court decision on immunity. I would go so far as to say that the judges who affirmed such a misguided decision committed an impeachable offense. They have done incalculable damage to our democracy in their foolishness.
 
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From Grok:

The primary source for these documents is the ODNI’s official website, www.dni.gov, where they were reportedly made available. Specifically, a press release from July 19, 2025, on the ODNI site details the release, stating that Gabbard provided the documents to the Department of Justice for criminal referral. Additionally, posts on X mention the release, with one user (@808constituent) referencing a link to the documents, though the specific URL (https://t.co/hZlJEo7rSL) is a shortened X link that cannot be directly accessed without further resolution.
Grok the MechaHitler?
 
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