the Latin versus the Teutonic Brain

Ligurian · 2025-07-20T19:51:10-0500

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
What's impossible is getting you to cite anything written in the last half century or even this century.

Modern scholarship bases what they write on what they believe to be true...

"Unfortunately, all these scholars assumed that Herodotus knew where the source of the Danube lay—something the Romans did not discover until 15 BC (Strabo, Geography 7.1.5). The focus of both passages in Herodotus (Histories 2.33 and 4.4) is the immeasurable length of the Nile and its alleged symmetry with the Danube, which supposedly flowed through the whole of Europe to the Black Sea, starting from the land of the Celts, ‘the westernmost people of Europe except for the Cynetes’, and the ‘city’ (polis) of Pyrene. In the first passage Herodotus added that the Celts lived ‘beyond the Pillars of Hercules’ (the Strait of Gibraltar)—something that was certainly true of the Cynetes, who dwelt in the Portuguese Algarve."
--Patrick Sims-Williams, An Alternative to Celtic from the East and Celtic from the West, 2020

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/340388012_An_Alternative_to_'Celtic_from_the_East'_and_'Celtic_from_the_West'

And the Celtic from the West people are now assuming the Celtic-speakers are those "Facing the Ocean" as Cunliffe says. But the Celts according to Caesar were tall red-heads, not the short people with dark eyes and hair... as found by the Welsh blood-group analysis done in 1965, which proved the miners to still be what you'd expect them to be: the small dark people described by Tacitus and by cave-hunting Dawkins as Welsh... (their supervisors were the tall pale Nordics) and their big chests would certainly help them to hew rocks:

"Although the Welsh were the shortest of the 30,000 soldiers emanating from the British Isles, averaging only 5 ft. 6 in. in height, they nevertheless possessed the greatest mean circumference of chest."
--Watkins, The Welsh Element in the South Wales Coalfield, 1965

"The swarthy complexion and curled hair of the Silures, together with their situation opposite to Spain, render it probable that a colony of the ancient Iberi possessed themselves of that territory."
--Tacitus, Agricola

Some author (I forget who) said the Ligurians were known to "hew rocks" because they farmed the hills above the Nemeton destroyed by the Romans.

Ligurian · 2025-07-20T19:57:40-0500

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Hans Blaster said:
Heinrich Schliemann? All I know about him is that he had the obsession to find Troy and the money to dig when he found it and that he was an amateur who caused a lot of destruction that would not occur in a modern excavation.

The Rothschilds and Schliemann in the California the Gold Rush. Wonder when Troy was first called Troy? Wonder even more why it was placed in a too-small area... And Ithaca was also renamed and never even pretended to fit the description given by Homer. It'd be like finding an old copy of the Bible written in the local language and expecting to find Jerusalem ruins on the small hill in your own back 40.

AV1611VET · 2025-07-20T20:07:52-0500

Ligurian said:
I would hate to see a gang of Archaeologists show up at the cemetery where my ancestors are buried and start taking sculls and jewelry to display in museums.

I've referred to archaeologists many times here as "grave robbers".

AV1611VET said:
How would you like it if grave robbers dug your great grandparents up and sold them to the highest bidder?

Luke 24:5b Why seek ye the living among the dead?

AV1611VET · 2025-07-20T20:13:33-0500

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
Why do you refuse to use any book written in the last half century?
Celtic Researchs is from 1804. Why is that more trustworthy to you than anything written in the 1990s or the 2000s?

That's rich, in light of those who tell me they went looking for evidence of the Flood 150 years ago and never found any, thus there is no evidence of the Flood.

Nithavela · 2025-07-20T22:28:13-0500

Ligurian said:
Agreed.

If only the Romans and Monks hadn't destroyed the histories and historians of those they conquered. Don't forget the "stone-breakers". If Stonehenge hadn't been too huge for the common man to completely haul off, then all of the farmlands in Britain would have sacred stones in their foundations. People who say the farmers did it because they needed these stones must never have seen nor done any plowing.

And anyway, misplaced histories often show up pasted onto another landscape entirely. It's not for nothing that several nationalistic writers claimed Troy for their very own, because if the landscape doesn't match the text, then "something is rotten in Denmark". But these same authors serve the purpose of making the curious dig around for themselves.

Me too. I take my inspiration where I find it... and never stop looking. The more effort that's been done to bury the truth, the more valuable it must be to someone. (And sometimes finding the bury-er is worth the effort, all on its own. ;-) )

"They don't tell me nothing, so I find out all I can"-- Phil Collins, Take Me Home.

No one knows who they were or what they were doing,
but their legacy remains hewn into the living rock of Stonehenge.

Hans Blaster · 2025-07-20T22:56:29-0500

Ligurian said:
The Rothschilds and Schliemann in the California the Gold Rush.

OK. They aren't that important in the history of the Gold Rush or later history like Stanford or a certain bank clerk...

Ligurian said:
Wonder when Troy was first called Troy?

Shortly after the discovery of the ancient city in Upstate NY after which it was named.

Ligurian said:
Wonder even more why it was placed in a too-small area...

I cannot say what the founders of the city of Wilusa were thinking.

Ligurian said:
And Ithaca was also renamed and never even pretended to fit the description given by Homer.

D'Oh! Another attempt to steal the glory of old Cornell.

Ligurian said:
It'd be like finding an old copy of the Bible written in the local language and expecting to find Jerusalem ruins on the small hill in your own back 40.

That also seems to have happened in Upstate New York on a hill called Camorra.

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2025-07-20T23:04:02-0500

AV1611VET said:
That's rich, in light of those who tell me they went looking for evidence of the Flood 150 years ago and never found any, thus there is no evidence of the Flood.

Are you that starved for attention?

AV1611VET · 2025-07-20T23:08:28-0500

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
Are you that starved for attention?

I'm hungry enough to make good points.

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2025-07-20T23:22:27-0500

AV1611VET said:
I'm hungry enough to make good points.

Only in you own mind do you think you're making a point.

Kathleen30 · 2025-07-21T01:12:09-0500

Ligurian said:
Removing landmarks used to be illegal. But then, so was grave-robbing. Makes the locals hate the whole nation that does and allows this theft. Seems like I read about the modern-day efforts at repatriation... the robbed countries want their "artifacts" back, and rightfully so, IMO. I would hate to see a gang of Archaeologists show up at the cemetery where my ancestors are buried and start taking sculls and jewelry to display in museums.

If we go with what you say. Then much of our known past history would remain in the ground unknown to this present day. As to what gets given back from the museums across the world to their original geographical location . It happens sometimes but that be entirely up to the good will of the nation that holds them.

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2025-07-21T05:44:11-0500

Ligurian said:
From whom are the newer books getting their histories if not the ancient historians? I always go to the source, when possible. I don't want to know what someone thinks about what someone thinks about what someone thinks, etc ad nauseam. If I ever go to someplace like Wikipedia, I'm looking for the references, not their take on what the references have to say. It may be unusual to conclude for oneself, but if you're wrong you can always go back to the beginning, correct the conclusion, and thereby learn from the experience. Taking a fully-baked conclusion as fact dismisses the opportunity to learn a truth which may not have been apparent to the conclusion-writer.

But why are the ancient authors, writers who did have a full and clear picture of the world and knew significantly less about the world than we do today, held in more esteem by you than current authors?

Like, all I'm seeing from you is the single strangest version of the appeal to authority and confirmation bias imaginable.

You clearly know how to do referencing, which is the only positive that can be given to this whole thread, but come on! We have learnt so much about the world since the Ancients, that to ignore what everyone has written after them is just... it's ludicrous.

Ligurian said:
Modern scholarship bases what they write on what they believe to be true...

And the ancient writers didn't?! Hyperborian isn't a real place.

Ophiolite · 2025-07-21T13:14:44-0500

Ligurian said:
The so-called metal "Ages" happened at different times in different places. The Druids may have been spoken of by that name during the time of the Roman Empire, but that doesn't mean they "originated" in that time

Of course the transition from one Age to another differed depending upon location. Neverthelss, around 500 BCE is a fair approximation for the appearance of the Druids. By all means push it back 100 years if you prefer. These authorities would agree with you on that detail:

“By the later sixth century BCE in Gaul—and by extension in the closely related communities of Britain—there is clear evidence for a specialized class of religious intermediaries whose role, status and exclusive privileges correspond to what classical authors later called Druids.”
– Barry Cunliffe, The Ancient Celts, 2nd ed., Oxford University Press, 1997, p. 183.
“The social differentiation that gives rise to the Druidic order appears in the archaeological record of Britain in the early Iron Age—around 600–500 BCE—when we first see evidence for a distinct elite who oversaw sanctuaries, ritual sites and the transmission of esoteric knowledge.”
– Miranda J. Green, The World of the Druids, Thames & Hudson, 1997, pp. 35–37.

Sir Barry Cunliffe was an expert on the Celts and was knighted for his services to archaeology. Green was also an expert on the Celts and latterly Professor of Archaeology at Cardiff University. Feel free to offer some more current expert views that contradict their informed and evidence based assertions.

Since the remainder of your posts appear to be appeals to long discounted opinions, I see no need to address them further.

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