Trump Demands Washington Commanders Return To Original Name 'Immediately'

The Barbarian · Sunday at 9:52 AM

Donald Trump demanded that the Washington Commanders return to their former, more controversial name "immediately," in a Sunday morning Truth Social Post.

Trump said there is a "big clamoring" for the team to be renamed the "Washington Redskins Football Team." He also called for the Cleveland Guardians to revert their name back to the Cleveland Indians."

"Our great Indian people, in massive numbers, want this to happen. Their heritage and prestige is systematically being taken away from them.

Trump demands Washington Commanders return to original name 'immediately'

President Donald Trump has demanded that the Washington Commanders return to their former, more controversial name "immediately," in a Sunday morning Truth Social Post.

www.newsweek.com

He seems to think that, as king, he is entitled to tell private companies what to do, as well as being entitled to speak for Native Americans.

Gregory Thompson · Sunday at 10:05 AM

I'm waiting for a re-confirmation that pizza is a vegetable.

public hermit · Sunday at 3:08 PM

This dude loves to major in the minors. It is pretty hilarious that he thinks he's doing native people a favor because, you know, they love having sports teams named after them.

seeking.IAM · Sunday at 7:20 PM

I think the naming of sports teams is unworthy of the attention of the President of the United States who probably ought to spend his energy on more important matters critical to the country. The world is laughing at us and questioning what we have done. This is not a pathway to make America great again.

Maria Billingsley · Sunday at 7:39 PM

The Barbarian said:
Donald Trump demanded that the Washington Commanders return to their former, more controversial name "immediately," in a Sunday morning Truth Social Post.

Trump said there is a "big clamoring" for the team to be renamed the "Washington Redskins Football Team." He also called for the Cleveland Guardians to revert their name back to the Cleveland Indians."

"Our great Indian people, in massive numbers, want this to happen. Their heritage and prestige is systematically being taken away from them.

Trump demands Washington Commanders return to original name 'immediately'

President Donald Trump has demanded that the Washington Commanders return to their former, more controversial name "immediately," in a Sunday morning Truth Social Post.

www.newsweek.com

He seems to think that, as king, he is entitled to tell private companies what to do, as well as being entitled to speak for Native Americans.

He does live in an alternate universe!

The Barbarian · Sunday at 8:31 PM

Maria Billingsley said:
He does live in an alternate universe!

I don't get why he thinks it's O.K. to use racial slurs for some ethnic groups by not others. Yes, he is increasingly showing signs of ongoing dementia, but still, thinking he has the power to control professional football teams is more than a little delusional.

If I was the Commanders' owner, I'd troll him by threatening to name them something commonly used to slur white people.

ozso · Sunday at 11:28 PM

There was a time when no one, including Indians, were offended by it. Back then it was all just Americana. Offence had to be created and stoked. There are probably complaints about "Washington" being in the name too, because they'll say George Washington committed whatever racist offences. There's probably quite an extensive list of words/names on the "this is racist because" list.

The Barbarian · 2025-07-21T03:43:05-0500

There was a time when most black people didn't complain about segregation. There was a time when Jewish people didn't complain about being excluded from clubs and events. "That's just the way it is."

Which doesn't mean they weren't offended. How about just calling people what they want to be called?

ozso · 2025-07-21T05:05:01-0500

The Barbarian said:
There was a time when most black people didn't complain about segregation. There was a time when Jewish people didn't complain about being excluded from clubs and events. "That's just the way it is."

Which doesn't mean they weren't offended. How about just calling people what they want to be called?

Indians always referred to themselves as Indians and didn’t ask to be called anything else. It was white liberalism political correctness that decided Indians was a slur and "Native Americans" must be used instead.

Akita Suggagaki · 2025-07-21T09:12:48-0500

ozso said:
Indians always referred to themselves as Indians and didn’t ask to be called anything else. It was white liberalism political correctness that decided Indians was a slur and "Native Americans" must be used instead.

After the way they were treated do you think they would want to make waves about how ignorant insensitive people refer to them?

The various nations, tribes, and bands of Indigenous peoples of the Americas have differing preferences in terminology for themselves. While there are regional and generational variations in which umbrella terms are preferred for Indigenous peoples as a whole, in general, most Indigenous peoples prefer to be identified by the name of their specific nation, tribe, or band.

Indigenous historical trauma (IHT) is the trauma that can accumulate across generations and develop as a result of the historical ramifications of colonazation and is linked to mental and physical health hardships and population decline. IHT affects many different people in a multitude of ways because the Indigenous community and their history are diverse.

Indigenous peoples of the Americas - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Barbarian · 2025-07-21T09:16:16-0500

ozso said:
Indians always referred to themselves as Indians and didn’t ask to be called anything else.

Can't think of one culture of Native Americans, who didn't want to be called by their correct name. But it's a comforting story for Whites to tell each other. Why not just call them what they want to be called?

ozso said:
It was white liberalism political correctness that decided Indians was a slur

Actually, "Indians" was a misnomer. There are Indians, who are proud of India. "Native Americans" is what they are culturally. "Redskins" was always a slur.

When I was in college, a nearby college had the name "The Fighting Indians." One of their intramural basketball teams was formed by a group of Ojibwe, who called their team "The Fighting Norwegians." Because "Indians" was just wrong, and not a slur, I supposed they avoided "Norskie" or "Mountain Monkey."

Imagine the outrage for Trump and his supporters, if the Washington team became the Washington Crackers. There's a comedian who had a performance titled "What sports teams would be called if the Indians had won." Can't be printed here, but was basically a collection of slurs for various European nationalities.

It's not such a big deal; there was a cultural dust-up over the issue. You guys lost. Doesn't hurt you.

ozso · 2025-07-21T09:39:02-0500

The Barbarian said:
Can't think of one culture of Native Americans, who didn't want to be called by their correct name. But it's a comforting story for Whites to tell each other. Why not just call them what they want to be called?

I've heard what I said from Indians. "Native American" wasn't their idea.

The Barbarian said:
Actually, "Indians" was a misnomer. "Native Americans" is what they are culturally. "Redskins" was always a slur.

When I was in college, a nearby college had the name "The Fighting Indians." One of their intramural basketball teams was formed by a group of Ojibwe, who called their team "The Fighting Norwegians." Because "Indians" was just wrong, and not a slur, I supposed they avoided "Norskie" or "Mountain Monkey."

Imagine the outrage for Trump and his supporters, if the Washington team became the Washington Crackers. There's a comedian who had a performance titled "What sports teams would be called if the Indians had won." Can't be printed here, but was basically a collection of slurs for various European nationalities.

It's not such a big deal; there was a cultural dust-up over the issue. You guys lost. Doesn't hurt you.

Just as long as it's clear that it comes from you guys and not them.

ozso · 2025-07-21T09:42:00-0500

Akita Suggagaki said:
After the way they were treated do you think they would want to make waves about how ignorant insensitive people refer to them?

The various nations, tribes, and bands of Indigenous peoples of the Americas have differing preferences in terminology for themselves. While there are regional and generational variations in which umbrella terms are preferred for Indigenous peoples as a whole, in general, most Indigenous peoples prefer to be identified by the name of their specific nation, tribe, or band.

Indigenous historical trauma (IHT) is the trauma that can accumulate across generations and develop as a result of the historical ramifications of colonazation and is linked to mental and physical health hardships and population decline. IHT affects many different people in a multitude of ways because the Indigenous community and their history are diverse.

Indigenous peoples of the Americas - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

They refer to themselves collectively as Indians.

ozso · 2025-07-21T09:48:02-0500

Misconception: “Redskins / Redmen is Racist”

90% of Native Americans disagree with you/that statement.

Redskins / Redmen is a Native American iconic name and is revered by the vast majority of Native Americans and general public alike. Redskins / Redmen represents honor, respect and pride for Native American culture. Redskins / Redmen is and has been a self-identifying term for Natives since the early 1800s

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Misconception: Redskins is Racist | NAGA Guardians

90% of Native Americans disagree. Redskins is a Native iconic name and is revered by the vast majority of Native & general public alike. Redskins represents honor, respect & pride for Native American culture. Redskins is a self-identifying term for Natives since 1812. Context & intent matter.

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The Barbarian · 2025-07-21T10:09:00-0500

ozso said:
I've heard what I said from Indians. "Native American" wasn't their idea.

I don't think actual Indians care what Native Americans want to be called. India has nothing to do with this. Most real Native Americans identify with a specific tribe or nation.

The Barbarian · 2025-07-21T10:19:51-0500

ozso said:
Native American Guardian's Association

They have an interesting story. Their first president:

The "Redskins" name controversy has played out all over America for years now, in precincts high and low. It's now turned up, though, in the last place you'd expect—Lancaster, N.Y. Some of the same spurious Indians defending the NFL team's name jumped in the small-town fray this week.

The sports teams at Lancaster High have been called the Redskins since the early 1950s. But enough locals have asked for a name change that the school district organized a meeting of interested parties on Tuesday night.

Mark Yancey was among those who packed the school cafeteria, and at least one Indian at the gathering let him know he was regarded as a carpetbagging phony. Yancey, who told the locals he'd traveled from Connecticut for the assembly, was there to claim he was a Native American and that he took pride in any team with that name, professional or otherwise. He's been delivering that spiel to anybody who'd listen since last summer. Yancey became a front man in the debate (and got VIP status at the Washington Redskins training camp in Richmond) when he showed up at the NFL team's workouts wearing an Indian-looking ensemble with a red bandana, a Westernish necklace, and a cap with turkey feathers. He told reporters his name was Mark One Wolf, and that he had founded a support group called Native American Redskins Fans that would lead the fight to keep the name. Soon enough Yancey was given a starring role in a short film titled Redskins Is a Powerful Name. That pro-name PSA was produced by another clique called Redskins Facts, and was initially billed as a grass roots fan effort. Alas, Redskins Facts was eventually exposed as a team-funded propaganda project concocted by hired guns at public relations behemoth Burson-Marsteller.

Deadspin | New Fake Indian Joins Old Fake Indian In NY High School's R-Word Fight

deadspin.com

ozso · 2025-07-21T10:50:08-0500

The Barbarian said:
I don't think actual Indians care what Native Americans want to be called. India has nothing to do with this. Most real Native Americans identify with a specific tribe or nation.

What you think doesn't matter. What they themselves say is what matters. Yes, of course they belong to individual tribes and nations. But collectively they call themselves Indians.

The Barbarian said:
They have an interesting story. Their first president:

The "Redskins" name controversy has played out all over America for years now, in precincts high and low. It's now turned up, though, in the last place you'd expect—Lancaster, N.Y. Some of the same spurious Indians defending the NFL team's name jumped in the small-town fray this week.

The sports teams at Lancaster High have been called the Redskins since the early 1950s. But enough locals have asked for a name change that the school district organized a meeting of interested parties on Tuesday night.

Mark Yancey was among those who packed the school cafeteria, and at least one Indian at the gathering let him know he was regarded as a carpetbagging phony. Yancey, who told the locals he'd traveled from Connecticut for the assembly, was there to claim he was a Native American and that he took pride in any team with that name, professional or otherwise. He's been delivering that spiel to anybody who'd listen since last summer. Yancey became a front man in the debate (and got VIP status at the Washington Redskins training camp in Richmond) when he showed up at the NFL team's workouts wearing an Indian-looking ensemble with a red bandana, a Westernish necklace, and a cap with turkey feathers. He told reporters his name was Mark One Wolf, and that he had founded a support group called Native American Redskins Fans that would lead the fight to keep the name. Soon enough Yancey was given a starring role in a short film titled Redskins Is a Powerful Name. That pro-name PSA was produced by another clique called Redskins Facts, and was initially billed as a grass roots fan effort. Alas, Redskins Facts was eventually exposed as a team-funded propaganda project concocted by hired guns at public relations behemoth Burson-Marsteller.

Deadspin | New Fake Indian Joins Old Fake Indian In NY High School's R-Word Fight

Deadspin | New Fake Indian Joins Old Fake Indian In NY High School's R-Word Fight

deadspin.com

Is "Deadspin" run by Native Americans? Is Dave McKenna a Native American? This just looks like more of the white man's take, rather than going to the source.

The Barbarian · 2025-07-21T11:11:50-0500

ozso said:
What you think doesn't matter. What they themselves say is what matters. Yes, of course they belong to individual tribes and nations. But collectively they call themselves Indians.

At this point, presuming to speak for them (like the astroturf group you cited) is useless.

They have an interesting story. Their first president:

The "Redskins" name controversy has played out all over America for years now, in precincts high and low. It's now turned up, though, in the last place you'd expect—Lancaster, N.Y. Some of the same spurious Indians defending the NFL team's name jumped in the small-town fray this week.

The sports teams at Lancaster High have been called the Redskins since the early 1950s. But enough locals have asked for a name change that the school district organized a meeting of interested parties on Tuesday night.

Mark Yancey was among those who packed the school cafeteria, and at least one Indian at the gathering let him know he was regarded as a carpetbagging phony. Yancey, who told the locals he'd traveled from Connecticut for the assembly, was there to claim he was a Native American and that he took pride in any team with that name, professional or otherwise. He's been delivering that spiel to anybody who'd listen since last summer. Yancey became a front man in the debate (and got VIP status at the Washington Redskins training camp in Richmond) when he showed up at the NFL team's workouts wearing an Indian-looking ensemble with a red bandana, a Westernish necklace, and a cap with turkey feathers. He told reporters his name was Mark One Wolf, and that he had founded a support group called Native American Redskins Fans that would lead the fight to keep the name. Soon enough Yancey was given a starring role in a short film titled Redskins Is a Powerful Name. That pro-name PSA was produced by another clique called Redskins Facts, and was initially billed as a grass roots fan effort. Alas, Redskins Facts was eventually exposed as a team-funded propaganda project concocted by hired guns at public relations behemoth Burson-Marsteller.

ozso said:
Is "Deadspin" run by Native Americans?

I'm pretty sure Burson-Marsteller isn't. And this was their show. Neither is their "real Indian":

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/10/10/report-indian-booster-for-washington-redskins-is-not-an-indian/

ozso said:
This just looks like more of the white man's take, rather than going to the source.

Yep. But not the way you thought.

ozso · 2025-07-21T12:01:36-0500

The Barbarian said:
At this point, presuming to speak for them (like the astroturf group you cited) is useless.

They have an interesting story. Their first president:

The "Redskins" name controversy has played out all over America for years now, in precincts high and low. It's now turned up, though, in the last place you'd expect—Lancaster, N.Y. Some of the same spurious Indians defending the NFL team's name jumped in the small-town fray this week.

The sports teams at Lancaster High have been called the Redskins since the early 1950s. But enough locals have asked for a name change that the school district organized a meeting of interested parties on Tuesday night.

Mark Yancey was among those who packed the school cafeteria, and at least one Indian at the gathering let him know he was regarded as a carpetbagging phony. Yancey, who told the locals he'd traveled from Connecticut for the assembly, was there to claim he was a Native American and that he took pride in any team with that name, professional or otherwise. He's been delivering that spiel to anybody who'd listen since last summer. Yancey became a front man in the debate (and got VIP status at the Washington Redskins training camp in Richmond) when he showed up at the NFL team's workouts wearing an Indian-looking ensemble with a red bandana, a Westernish necklace, and a cap with turkey feathers. He told reporters his name was Mark One Wolf, and that he had founded a support group called Native American Redskins Fans that would lead the fight to keep the name. Soon enough Yancey was given a starring role in a short film titled Redskins Is a Powerful Name. That pro-name PSA was produced by another clique called Redskins Facts, and was initially billed as a grass roots fan effort. Alas, Redskins Facts was eventually exposed as a team-funded propaganda project concocted by hired guns at public relations behemoth Burson-Marsteller.

I'm pretty sure Burson-Marsteller isn't. And this was their show. Neither is their "real Indian":

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/10/10/report-indian-booster-for-washington-redskins-is-not-an-indian/

Yep. But not the way you thought.

My sources are American Indian, yours are not.

Who decided for us that we should be called "Native Americans?"

It was the mainstream media of course. One day a reporter was interviewing an East Coast Indian and the reporter said, "Indian" and the East Coast Indian said, "No, we don’t like to be called Indians because we got that name when Columbus thought he landed in India: We prefer to be called Native Americans."

"Well," the reporter replied, "I am of Irish descent but I was born in America so therefore I also am a Native American." And so when the story was published the Indian people were labeled as Native Americans. The white media had finally pulled one over the indigenous people.

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The Barbarian · 2025-07-21T12:33:26-0500

ozso said:
My sources are American Indian, yours are not.

See above, He's a fake. Funded by a PR firm for the owners.

"Redskin" as you have conceded. is a racist slur; "indian" is merely a misnomer.

Again, why is it so hard for you to just call people what they want to be called? "Redskin" is a racial slur. No way to get around it.

Indian booster for Washington Redskins is not an Indian

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/10/10/report-indian-booster-for-washington-redskins-is-not-an-indian/

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