As Texas Flood Deaths Rise, Officials Blast Faulty Forecast by National Weather Service

essentialsaltes · Wednesday at 2:38 PM

essentialsaltes said:
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FEMA Didn’t Answer Thousands of Calls From Flood Survivors, Documents Show

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"Internal e-mails even show that officials knew they were failing at their task and needed the secretary to extend the call center contracts. 'We still do not have a decision, waiver or signature from the DHS secretary,' one FEMA employee wrote in a July 8 e-mail to colleagues. Leaving disaster victims on hold isn’t governmental efficiency. It's heartless."

essentialsaltes · Wednesday at 3:33 PM

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That's what happens when political correctness actually takes over. Not just someone wagging a finger at you for saying 'Oriental', but research into 'taboo' areas being eliminated and defunded.

Trump administration says it won’t publish major climate change reports on NASA website as promised

On July 3, NASA put out a statement that said, “All preexisting reports will be hosted on the NASA website, ensuring continuity of reporting.”

Now the globalwatch website (where the taxpayer funded reports were originally hosted) is gone and NASA will not be hosting the reports.

SimplyMe · 2025-07-17T08:43:18-0500

Chesterton said:
Don't know where you got your info, but it's wrong. The wet months in that part of Texas are in the spring, April and/or May. The local joke is that TV weathermen should get the whole summer off like schoolteachers, because the forecast is the same every day from June through August - "hot and dry".

Take it up with Sabbath Blessings. She is the one that claimed, "In Texas you can't schedule anything like painting your house in the summer or really anytime, because it could be hailing, it could start off sunny and 5 minutes start later start pouring down rain. If you do not understand this, chances are you never lived in Texas." As I mentioned, it really depends on where you live in Texas but my recollection is similar to yours -- the summer forecast was always high 90s, humid, and sunny. April and June you got the rain, and they tended to be these huge thunderstorms with rain that killed visibility and caused localized flooding, looking like a white sheet of water as you looked out, and winds high enough that they destroyed umbrellas.

wing2000 · 2025-07-17T08:56:51-0500

We know the oceans and the atmosphere are getting warmer. We know a warmer atmosphere holds more moisture. We know weather systems will produce more precipitation.

Today, the heaviest rainstorms in Texas drop about 20% more water than they did in the late 1950s, when the planet was significantly cooler, according to the National Climate Assessment. And extreme rain in Texas is expected to get much more frequent in the coming decade, as the climate warms even more, according to a 2024 report by the Texas state climatologist.

The challenge is predicting how much rain any particular thunderstorm system will produced in these warmer conditions. Hence, the NWS predicted up to 5" of rain in some areas of Texas. Instead, up to 12" fell in some areas.

https://www.npr.org/2025/07/07/nx-s1-5459755/texas-floods-climate-change

BNR32FAN · 2025-07-17T11:29:07-0500

essentialsaltes said:
That may be how you experience it, but the NWS does not call for evacuations. Only local officials can do so.

Oh you’re going to quote just a portion of my statement so you can respond out of context.

BNR32FAN said:
In my experience a flash flood warning is always a call for evacuating low lands especially drainage canals, creeks, and riverbeds every single time. Flash flood warnings typically specifically tell people to avoid these areas.

Yeah it’s not at all surprising that you would intentionally omit part of my post so that you can intentionally misrepresent what I said and pretend that your position is warranted.

essentialsaltes · 2025-07-17T11:34:39-0500

BNR32FAN said:
Oh you’re going to quote just a portion of my statement so you can respond out of context.

Yeah it’s not at all surprising that you would intentionally omit part of my post so that you can intentionally misrepresent what I said and pretend that your position is warranted.

Not sure what you're grinding your gears about. Even supposing the NWS alerts said 'avoid the area' [did they?] that's not the same as evacuate.

BNR32FAN · 2025-07-17T11:34:43-0500

Say it aint so said:
??? That areas warning coordinator, where that is his specific job, was budget cut retired and not replaced.

And it doesn’t matter since EVERYONE WAS WARNED THE DAY BEFORE THE INCIDENT. But no you think they have to be warned by someone special as if to say BUT SIMON DIDN’T SAY SO. Bottom line is the adults were complete morons for sheltering in place on a river bank during a flash flood.

BNR32FAN · 2025-07-17T11:36:28-0500

essentialsaltes said:
Not sure what you're grinding your gears about. Even supposing the NWS alerts said 'avoid the area' [did they?] that's not the same as evacuate.

Ahh so saying don’t stay in those areas doesn’t mean to get out. Thats some really genius logic ya got there. :oldthumbsup:

JosephZ · 2025-07-17T11:44:31-0500

BNR32FAN said:
And it doesn’t matter since EVERYONE WAS WARNED THE DAY BEFORE THE INCIDENT. But no you think they have to be warned by someone special as if to say BUT SIMON DIDN’T SAY SO. Bottom line is the adults were complete morons for sheltering in place on a river bank during a flash flood.

A flash flood watch was issued the day before, that isn't the same as a warning. Warnings weren't issued until flooding was actually occuring, giving people along the river only an hour or two to react.

Flash Flood Watch

A Flash Flood Watch is issued when conditions are favorable for rapidly rising water to poses an immediate hazard to life and property. It does not mean that flash flooding will occur, but it is possible.

Flash Flood Warning

A Flash Flood Warning is issued when rapidly rising water poses an immediate hazard to life and property.

3:06 a.m. Friday, July 4: NWS posted on X that a “very dangerous flash flooding event is ongoing across south-central Kerr County into northwest Bandera County”
3:19 a.m. Friday, July 4: A River Flood Warning was issued for the Guadalupe River at Hunt
Approximately 3:28 a.m. Friday, July 4: A Downstream River Flood Warning was issued for the Guadalupe River in Kerrville
Approximately 3:36 a.m. Friday, July 4: A Flash Flood Warning was issued for south-central Kerr and northwest Bandera Counties
Approximately 3:56 a.m. Friday, July 4: A new River Forecast Warning was issued for the Guadalupe River at Hunt
Approximately 4:04 a.m. Friday, July 4: A Flash Flood Emergency was issued
4:23 a.m. Friday, July 4: NWS posted on X that “a PARTICULARLY DANGEROUS SITUATION and a Flash Flood EMERGENCY is in effect”
5:34 a.m. Friday, July 4: A Flash Flood Emergency for the Guadalupe River from Hunt through Kerrville and down to Center Point was issued

Timeline: When the warnings began for Kerr County before catastrophic flooding

As families and search crews sift through debris, mangled trees and toppled vehicles in Kerr County after the catastrophic Fourth of July flooding, authorities are facing growing questions about whether enough warnings were issued.

www.ksat.com

wing2000 · 2025-07-17T11:52:23-0500

JosephZ said:
A flash flood watch was issued the day before, that isn't the same as a warning. Warnings weren't issued until flooding was actually occuring, giving people along the river only an hour or two to react.

Flash Flood Watch

A Flash Flood Watch is issued when conditions are favorable for rapidly rising water to poses an immediate hazard to life and property. It does not mean that flash flooding will occur, but it is possible.

Flash Flood Warning

A Flash Flood Warning is issued when rapidly rising water poses an immediate hazard to life and property.

3:06 a.m. Friday, July 4: NWS posted on X that a “very dangerous flash flooding event is ongoing across south-central Kerr County into northwest Bandera County”

3:19 a.m. Friday, July 4: A River Flood Warning was issued for the Guadalupe River at Hunt

Approximately 3:28 a.m. Friday, July 4: A Downstream River Flood Warning was issued for the Guadalupe River in Kerrville

Approximately 3:36 a.m. Friday, July 4: A Flash Flood Warning was issued for south-central Kerr and northwest Bandera Counties

Approximately 3:56 a.m. Friday, July 4: A new River Forecast Warning was issued for the Guadalupe River at Hunt

Approximately 4:04 a.m. Friday, July 4: A Flash Flood Emergency was issued

4:23 a.m. Friday, July 4: NWS posted on X that “a PARTICULARLY DANGEROUS SITUATION and a Flash Flood EMERGENCY is in effect”

5:34 a.m. Friday, July 4: A Flash Flood Emergency for the Guadalupe River from Hunt through Kerrville and down to Center Point was issued

Timeline: When the warnings began for Kerr County before catastrophic flooding

As families and search crews sift through debris, mangled trees and toppled vehicles in Kerr County after the catastrophic Fourth of July flooding, authorities are facing growing questions about whether enough warnings were issued.

www.ksat.com

...and two key prior warnings:

5:47 p.m. Wednesday, July 2: Texas Division of Emergency Management (TDEM) announced the agency activated state emergency response resources in anticipation of flooding in West and Central Texas
Morning of Thursday, July 3: National Water Center issues Flood Hazard Outlook, identifying flash flood potential for Kerrville and surrounding areas, according to the Department of Homeland Security

What plan, if any, did Kerr County implement? County officials knew there were thousands of people along the river for the July 4th celebrations. They also knew there was no river monitoring in place thanks to their own decisions....

Say it aint so · 2025-07-17T12:05:35-0500

BNR32FAN said:
And it doesn’t matter since EVERYONE WAS WARNED THE DAY BEFORE THE INCIDENT. But no you think they have to be warned by someone special as if to say BUT SIMON DIDN’T SAY SO. Bottom line is the adults were complete morons for sheltering in place on a river bank during a flash flood.

It's a text message notice. It's not like an Amber alert and one has to sign up for it. The first warning was a flood risk about 12 hrs prior. And yes, a "warning coordination meteorologist" with local officials is a special assignment. That person wasn't replaced. Look, when cuts are made and people are fired or retired without replacement because of those cuts, then as everyone under the sun has warned, expect agencies not to function as well.

BNR32FAN · 2025-07-17T12:13:05-0500

Say it aint so said:
It's a text message notice. It's not like an Amber alert and one has to sign up for it. The first warning was a flood risk about 12 hrs prior. And yes, a "warning coordination meteorologist" with local officials is a special assignment. That person wasn't replaced. Look, when cuts are made and people are fired or retired with replacement because of those cuts, then as everyone under the sun has warned, expect agencies not to function as well.

No not everyone under the sun, just people who want to misrepresent the facts to push their political agenda.

Say it aint so · 2025-07-17T12:46:45-0500

BNR32FAN said:
No not everyone under the sun, just people who want to misrepresent the facts to push their political agenda.

Yes, you man like these people:

These are people who do this for a living. People who make this their lifelong work. And they are warning you.
But you keep on with your science denying political agenda "What's the Matter with Kansas"

Pommer · 2025-07-17T14:52:03-0500

probinson said:
Did anyone rise to say, "let's not take the money because if we do, the government will force us to get COVID shots?" That was your original claim.

Try the comments of Ronald Campbell starting @39:23 of the posted video.

probinson · 2025-07-17T16:45:18-0500

Pommer said:
Try the comments of Ronald Campbell starting @39:23 of the posted video.

Thanks. So it would seem one random resident made a passing mention of COVID vaccine mandates.

Your original statement was:

The “blame” falls on those who vehemently opposed using Federal monies to build a siren-based warning system for their (own) county, because they had fears that if they had accepted the monies, the Feds, (Biden Administration, at the time) could come into the county and make them take COVID shots.

Certainly you're not blaming Rondal Cambell, are you? I mean, that's a gross mischaracterization of what happened. In reality, the ARPA funds were approved and used for other safety projects. To reiterate what was reported in the article I posted earlier, "it’s not clear if residents or the commissioners understood at the time they could have applied the funds to a warning system"

So it is not accurate (to say the least) to place the "blame" on one, lone person who made a passing mention of COVID vaccine mandates.

BNR32FAN · 2025-07-17T19:05:56-0500

Say it aint so said:
Yes, you man like these people:

These are people who do this for a living. People who make this their lifelong work. And they are warning you.
But you keep on with your science denying political agenda "What's the Matter with Kansas"

And yet so far we haven’t had any problems with being warned of any dangerous weather approaching. Probably because we have weather instruments scattered all over the country as well as all over the coasts and dangerous storms are typically massive in size. They don’t usually tend to sneak up on us without us knowing about them. And let’s just get right down to the very heart of the problem here. The only reason you have a problem with this is because you’re a democrat and are completely opposed to anything Trump does. I mean all we have to do is look at your content to see that. It’s nothing but anti Trump anti Trump anti Trump over and over and over and over. It’s ridiculous. When I look at your threads that’s literally all I see. 4 pages of nothing but smearing republicans and Trump. That’s literally the ONLY THREADS YOU’VE EVER POSTED HERE IN CF SINCE 2022. Prove me wrong.

Pommer · 2025-07-17T22:55:09-0500

probinson said:
Thanks. So it would seem one random resident made a passing mention of COVID vaccine mandates.

Your original statement was:

The “blame” falls on those who vehemently opposed using Federal monies to build a siren-based warning system for their (own) county, because they had fears that if they had accepted the monies, the Feds, (Biden Administration, at the time) could come into the county and make them take COVID shots.

Certainly you're not blaming Rondal Cambell, are you? I mean, that's a gross mischaracterization of what happened. In reality, the ARPA funds were approved and used for other safety projects. To reiterate what was reported in the article I posted earlier, "it’s not clear if residents or the commissioners understood at the time they could have applied the funds to a warning system"

So it is not accurate (to say the least) to place the "blame" on one, lone person who made a passing mention of COVID vaccine mandates.

Did you miss one of the commissioners, (the transcript doesn’t say, but the audio sounds like “Commissioner Luen”) saying that he didn’t trust the Feds (Biden Administration) and argued to send the funds back to DC? His opinionations started @9:50.

And while my characterization may have been off a bit, the sentiment is there, he didn’t trust the government and was afraid that the tax payers of Kerry country could be on the hook (for paying back the money) or “endure a ‘mandate’”.

If you wanna nitpick this some more, I’m here all week.

Pommer · 2025-07-17T22:58:34-0500

BNR32FAN said:
When I look at your threads that’s literally all I see. 4 pages of nothing but smearing republicans and Trump. That’s literally the ONLY THREADS YOU’VE EVER POSTED HERE IN CF SINCE 2022. Prove me wrong.

We each have our own bailiwicks, why is it a problem that our good friend has a point-of-view that seems to oppose all things Trump?

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