Do you agree with the President on border enforcement and illegal aliens?

DaisyDay · Monday at 2:45 PM

Always in His Presence said:
The very moment the left stops, I will also.

Name one thing from the left that add to drawing the party’s closer together.

The left hasn't tried to purge the ranks of civil service of Republicans. Obama even appointed Republicans to his administration.

ozso · Monday at 6:45 PM

Richard T said:
Here are more and probably some others that are not reported. International Students Status Revoked Over 950: What You Need to Know
I think the bigger problem is with the new wannabe students. Some are just giving up on visas altogether. Every time a visa holder arrives in the USA, even if they have a green card, there may be issues getting in. Here is the rise in the rejection of fiance visa applicants.

"New Boundless Report: Fiancé Visa Approvals Decrease By 66% Under Trump: New Boundless Report: Fiancé Visa Approvals Decrease By 66% Under Trump
So Trump marries two foreigners, and now he is cutting many other US citizens out from giving their fiance's a visa that will allow them to marry and ultimately live in the states. It's only a 90 day visa to begin with. Marry and you get to stay and pay again for a green card. Or marry abroad and wait over a year. Such time frames make family planning pretty difficult.

When the sources reporting a phenomenon are obscure publications, it veers into don't believe everything you read on the internet territory.

rjs330 · Monday at 10:36 PM

rambot said:
How can you be a criminal if you've never been adjudication as one?

800 of them did.

rambot said:
Is it because they're dirty brown people?

Huh?

rambot said:
60%. No criminal conviction.

What's that got to do with anything? Does the law say only those with criminal convictions can be deported?

800 of the 1500 did by the way.

rambot said:
You're still trying to kick them out for being criminals even when they aren't.

Just being here illegally makes them a criminal.

Sounds like Canada has considered cracking down on illegals.

What's in Canada's Immigration Bill, Why It's Causing Worry

Canada’s new immigration bill proposes sweeping changes in policy. And it's already prompting backlash.

time.com

rjs330 · Monday at 10:51 PM

DaisyDay said:
Apparently NOT ALWAYS - see "adverse possession". Also see "civil asset forfeiture".

Always. And I think asset forfeiture cans most certainly be considered theft in my opinion.

DaisyDay said:
Which leftists decided that?

Those thst wanted it or voted for it.

DaisyDay said:
But you are not "a felon" by most definitions until you've been convicted (and some claim not until you've been sentenced).

Im not a convicted felon. But istill stole your car. Should I be able to keep it?

DaisyDay said:
From what I've read, the state generally does not prosecute squatters as that is considered a civil matter. Generally, property owners have to obtain a court order and pay a marshal to get squatters removed. I've never heard of the state prosecuting squatters, but feel free to post evidence that this happens.

I believe that is wrong. They should prosecuted.

DaisyDay said:
In any case, that isn't the argument I have made, yet that is what you're arguing against. Why?

Then what argument are you making?

DaisyDay said:
Yes! That is what I, among others here, have argued about Trump's well-documented crimes - with a lot of pushback from some lovelies here.

Yup and you are entitled to your opinion. So am I.

Earthbear · Monday at 11:25 PM

Leviticus 19:9-10 talks about landowners leaving grapes or grain for the foreigners, the system has some leeway or grace for the poor or disenfranchised.

Some people don't speak well or understand the papers but they will work hard, tirelessly picking crops all day.

Some of the things that ICE are doing are not only very cruel and inhumane but they waste a lot of money, rounding these people up at random Home Depots or farms costs a lot in building detention centers, contracts which can be used for-profit prisons and it is expensive to deal with the legal liabilities of all the people (although some would argue they don't bother) and feeding them while they sit in small cages unproductive human capital.

For me personally I find the problem has to do with class, for the rich (and this is independant of race) we have rich Chinese landowners buying up apartments causing gentrification who don't even live in the US, we somehow believe that if we give the rich huge tax cuts and de-regulation that they would somehow have a proclivity towards extending mercy to the general public but this mindset is the opposite when it comes to poor migrants.

James 2:2-4 says we would discriminate among ourselves and have evil thoughts if we showed favoritism to the rich.

ICE has not only been affecting poor brown people though, rich attractive white Canadian women for example have reported being detained by ICE for trying to establish business, they took her phone, shuffled through her possessions, I think it is creepy and a violation of women as well.

I feel that we are not going down a good path as a country simply because most of the primary fuel for ICE is due to hatred or resentment without realizing it is in fact the rich that are dragging us to court, exploiting us and causing problems (James 2:6)

If the US government had implemented these things fairly and also cared for citizen's rights then I would be more inclined to agree but as it stands now, I see many human rights being eroded by the current administration. Donald Trump in the past has bankrupted casinos at the expense of his shareholders while tacking on his personal debt on top of failing business endeavors. Casinos in theory should be extremely easy to manage, the house always wins.

What I am saying is I really think the country needs a lot of prayer and support, there are a lot of problems in America right now but none of them are too big for God to solve.

Always in His Presence · Tuesday at 3:52 AM

DaisyDay said:
The left hasn't tried to purge the ranks of civil service of Republicans. Obama even appointed Republicans to his administration.

Yeah I remember Obama

Quote: We don’t mind the Republicans joining us. They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back.”

Btw Trump has Democrats in his administration

Always in His Presence · Tuesday at 4:26 AM

Fervent said:
You seem to have missed the stuff about caring for the foreigner in your midst and remembering that you were once foreigners and slaves. Putting laws above the humanitarian issues smacks of pharisaical obstinance, especially when those laws involve human designated borders. Rule of law and order are important, but not more important than human dignity and an obligation to care for the needy.

I am the son of a legal immigrant. Break the law coat the price.

BCP1928 said:
Yet you are in favor of deporting people who did come into the country legally and have committed no other crime while here.

Nope. Never said such a thing. I have only addressed. Illegal aliens.

DaisyDay · Tuesday at 6:10 AM

rjs330 said:
Always. And I think asset forfeiture cans most certainly be considered theft in my opinion.

Oh, I see - always to you, but not always universally as shown by laws and legislation. Sure, your opinion is your opinion - no argument with that.

rjs330 said:
Those thst wanted it or voted for it.

Ah, the mysterious them!

"It" being "if a homeless person takes your property its okay" - I don't know anyone who fits your description of them, but perhaps this rests in what you mean by "okay".

rjs330 said:
Im not a convicted felon. But istill stole your car. Should I be able to keep it?

No.

rjs330 said:
I believe that is wrong. They should prosecuted.

Yes, you've made it clear. I have not said otherwise about what should be done, only what is done.

rjs330 said:
Then what argument are you making?

None that involve your idea that I be raped. I don't know why you would even bring that into a discussion of laws concerning squatters.

The argument I am making was made in Post #57. Note that I said what is, not what ought to be.

rjs330 said:
Yup and you are entitled to your opinion. So am I.

DaisyDay · Tuesday at 6:33 AM

Always in His Presence said:
Yeah I remember Obama

Quote: We don’t mind the Republicans joining us. They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back.”

Contrast that with "I hate Democrats"

Always in His Presence said:
Btw Trump has Democrats in his administration

Not by his own choice. He has not appointed any Democrats.

rambot · Tuesday at 6:54 AM

ozso said:
When the sources reporting a phenomenon are obscure publications, it veers into don't believe everything you read on the internet territory.

Great. So you can't trust the msm.
And you can't trust small publications when they tell you something you don't like.

It's kind of like a child proudly pretending to be rational.

I heard those same stories being interviewed on This American Life. They are real and they are true.

ozso · Tuesday at 7:43 AM

rambot said:
Great. So you can't trust the msm.
And you can't trust small publications when they tell you something you don't like.

It's kind of like a child proudly pretending to be rational.

No, it's simply a matter of the less media coverage a report has, the less credibility it has.

rambot said:
I heard those same stories being interviewed on This American Life. They are real and they are true.

How can stories be interviewed?

essentialsaltes · Tuesday at 10:31 AM

ozso said:
No, it's simply a matter of the less media coverage a report has, the less credibility it has.

Rich coming from someone who complains that people are unaware of things because the mainstream media doesn't cover it.

Maybe they shouldn't know about these stories, because the less media coverage a report has, the less credibility it has.

ozso · Tuesday at 11:03 AM

essentialsaltes said:
Rich coming from someone who complains that people are unaware of things because the mainstream media doesn't cover it.

I don't recall ever making such a complaint.

essentialsaltes said:
Maybe they shouldn't know about these stories, because the less media coverage a report has, the less credibility it has.

Maybe they should take a report with a grain of salt if said report can only be found from one or two obscure sources. For instance if someone posts as news story from an obscure source about escaped giraffes running around Time's Square, and that report can't be found anywhere else, one might, just maybe, question the veracity of that report.

essentialsaltes · Tuesday at 11:38 AM

ozso said:
I don't recall ever making such a complaint.

ozso said:
Most people probably don't know about the incident since most of mainstream media didn't cover it.

ozso said:
The problem when it comes to left-wing mainstream news sources, is this is the sort of thing they don't say anything about.

ozso · Tuesday at 12:06 PM

ozso said:
No, it's simply a matter of the less media coverage a report has, the less credibility it has.

essentialsaltes said:
Rich coming from someone who complains that people are unaware of things because the mainstream media doesn't cover it.

ozso said:
I don't recall ever making such a complaint.

ozso said:
Most people probably don't know about the incident since most of mainstream media didn't cover it.

ozso said:
The problem when it comes to left-wing mainstream news sources, is this is the sort of thing they don't say anything about.

It's no surprise I don't remember those posts since they were made so long ago. You remembering them is rather strange to me.

However when it comes to a report that left-wing mainstream media would cover, but is only coming from one or two obscure sources instead, makes it questionable in my opinion. The same goes for a report that right-wing mainstream media would cover, only coming from an obscure source. My question that case would be, why isn't Fox and Sky News etc saying anything about it?

Fervent · Tuesday at 12:33 PM

Always in His Presence said:
I am the son of a legal immigrant. Break the law coat the price.

To paraphrase Jesus, the law is made for the man not the man for the law.

Pommer · Tuesday at 12:35 PM

Always in His Presence said:
Break the law coat the price.

I am totally unfamiliar with this idiom.

Always in His Presence · Tuesday at 2:01 PM

DaisyDay said:
Contrast that with "I hate Democrats"

Not by his own choice. He has not appointed any Democrats.

???? He didn't appoint RFK a life long Democrat from a family of Democrats? News to me.

Tulsi Gabbard?

Stein???

Surely you jest - or will complaint that they are not real Democrats - and oft used objection. But completely inaccurate in this circumstance.

rjs330 · Tuesday at 3:07 PM

DaisyDay said:
None that involve your idea that I be raped. I don't know why you would even bring that into a discussion of laws concerning squatters.

This was about the response that someone is not a criminal unless convicted of it. I asked if you were raped and the state couldn't prove the case against the person that did it, did that mean you weren't raped. After all he wasn't convicted.

By the way I had a sister who was robbed and raped. They never caught the guy. But if he wasnt convicted in my estimation he was still a criminal.

Anyway, I'm done with this point of discussion.

rambot · Tuesday at 3:11 PM

ozso said:
No, it's simply a matter of the less media coverage a report has, the less credibility it has.

Unless it's in the mainstream media, then it ALSO can't be believed.

ozso said:
How can stories be interviewed?

I humbly apologize for mistyping.

A "human person" was interviewed and her "story" was shared.
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