Democrats clash with ICE over characterization of marijuana farm raid

rjs330 · Sunday at 5:02 PM

essentialsaltes said:
but there's apparently been only one indictment of a business for hiring illegals in 6 months.

Umm...

Perhaps this will help.

Trump similarly went after illegal employment at Mississippi chicken plants, a trailer manufacturer in Texas, and a meatpacker in Tennessee. Not only were Americans hired to fill these jobs, but the government managed to get indictments of managers in a number of cases, despite the difficulty in doing so due to the (intentional) wording of the statute."

Its like I've said. These cases are not easy to prove. Just having illegals on premises is NOT evidence of the crime. You have to prove the manager KNEW r
they were illegal. And if he lawyers up and won't admit it, then they have to go the paperwork route to try and prove it, interview others, look at IRS documents, see if any fake IDs were involved etc etc. All of it would be a long arduous process. They aren't able to just slap a charge on someone who has illegals in the business. But I suspect you know that and dont care.

essentialsaltes · Sunday at 5:43 PM

rjs330 said:
See Valettas article.

Check.

rjs330 said:
Says who? You have no idea who the DOJ is going after.

essentialsaltes said:
ICE is arresting migrants in worksite raids. Employers are largely escaping charges.
Since the start of the year, Immigration and Customs Enforcement has posted news releases regarding approximately two dozen raids on the “Worksite Enforcement” section of its website. Local news outlets have documented dozens more. The Washington Post was able to identify only one employer charged after the raids ICE has publicized. The Post reviewed court filings and searched for records involving individuals named in corporate records of businesses DHS has raided.

rjs330 · Sunday at 7:39 PM

essentialsaltes said:
Check.

A apparently the Post is mistaken and missed some charges. Can't blame them. Maybe they looked up the wrong names. Perhaps they ought to check with the DOJ.

rjs330 said:
Not only were Americans hired to fill these jobs, but the government managed to get indictments of managers in a number of cases, despite the difficulty in doing so due to the (intentional) wording of the statute."

Also, as noted it takes time to put a case together. Its a bit early in the process.

Valletta · Sunday at 8:46 PM

essentialsaltes said:
Says who?

That's not happening, generally, under Trump 2.0.

Fake IDs are a problem.

essentialsaltes · Sunday at 11:18 PM

rjs330 said:
A apparently the Post is mistaken and missed some charges.

No, they were counting charges for hiring illegals, not charges for child labor.

rjs330 · 2025-07-14T06:51:16-0500

essentialsaltes said:
No, they were counting charges for hiring illegals, not charges for child labor.

They missed some charges in some cases.

Not only were Americans hired to fill these jobs, but the government managed to get indictments of managers in a number of cases, despite the difficulty in doing so due to the (intentional) wording of the statute."

Thats not talking at all about child labor as you said. Thats talking about hiring illegals. Its more than just one case. They are working on it and due to the difficulties of the wordings the statute its not a qick process. I guess we'll find out what happens in this Marijuana farm case in a while. If child l abor laws were broken, and I suspect they were, hopefully we'll see some action on it. I think you agree.

essentialsaltes · 2025-07-14T08:26:25-0500

rjs330 said:
They missed some charges in some cases.

Not only were Americans hired to fill these jobs

This is talking about Trump 1.0. The article was written in 2021 to criticize the then-current Biden Administration from the previous Trump Administration.

Valletta said:
"Compare this to the efforts of the previous administration. In 2017, ICE conducted a mass audit of an industrial bakery in Chicago, ...
ICE under Trump similarly went after illegal employment at Mississippi chicken plants, a trailer manufacturer in Texas, and a meatpacker in Tennessee. Not only were

wing2000 · 2025-07-14T08:41:16-0500

Detaining an American, disabled veteran.
Classy move ICE.

Deatained on Thursday.
....not released until Sunday according to an update from the US attorney's office.

THIS IS TRUMP'S AMERICA. Arresting US citizens and detaining them for days based on their appearance.

AMARILLO, Calif. -- Concerned family members are desperate for answers after they say a disabled U.S. veteran and citizen was taken during a federal immigration raid at a cannabis farm in Camarillo, California.

George Retes, 25, works as a security guard at Glass House Farms, where the raid took place Thursday. His sister and wife told our sister station, ABC7 Eyewitness News in Los Angeles, that he was trying to leave the area as tensions escalated between federal agents and protesters.

"ICE thought he was probably part of the protest, but he wasn't, he was trying to reverse his car," said his sister, Destinee Majana. "They broke his window, they pepper-sprayed him, they grabbed him, threw him on the floor. They detained him."

Disabled veteran who is a US citizen was taken during SoCal immigration raid, family says

Concerned family members are desperate for answers after they say a disabled U.S. veteran and citizen was taken during a federal immigration raid at a cannabis farm in Southern California.

abc7chicago.com

ICE Disappears American Citizen Disabled Veteran (Edit: Recent Updates)

ICE has disappeared an American citizen and disabled veteran. His name is George Retes. He works as a security guard in Camarillo California. You may have heard about Thursday ICE raid on a legal marijuana farm in that area that detained over 200...

www.dailykos.com

Valletta · 2025-07-14T15:22:16-0500

wing2000 said:
Detaining an American, disabled veteran.
Classy move ICE.

Deatained on Thursday.
....not released until Sunday according to an update from the US attorney's office.

THIS IS TRUMP'S AMERICA. Arresting US citizens and detaining them for days based on their appearance.

AMARILLO, Calif. -- Concerned family members are desperate for answers after they say a disabled U.S. veteran and citizen was taken during a federal immigration raid at a cannabis farm in Camarillo, California.

George Retes, 25, works as a security guard at Glass House Farms, where the raid took place Thursday. His sister and wife told our sister station, ABC7 Eyewitness News in Los Angeles, that he was trying to leave the area as tensions escalated between federal agents and protesters.

"ICE thought he was probably part of the protest, but he wasn't, he was trying to reverse his car," said his sister, Destinee Majana. "They broke his window, they pepper-sprayed him, they grabbed him, threw him on the floor. They detained him."

Disabled veteran who is a US citizen was taken during SoCal immigration raid, family says

Concerned family members are desperate for answers after they say a disabled U.S. veteran and citizen was taken during a federal immigration raid at a cannabis farm in Southern California.

abc7chicago.com

ICE Disappears American Citizen Disabled Veteran (Edit: Recent Updates)

ICE has disappeared an American citizen and disabled veteran. His name is George Retes. He works as a security guard in Camarillo California. You may have heard about Thursday ICE raid on a legal marijuana farm in that area that detained over 200...

www.dailykos.com

Despite warnings from conservatives that their actions endanger people, Democrat leaders have refused to tone down the violent rhetoric and are egging violent protesters on. Now innocent people are getting hurt. I think at this point I think there should be civil lawsuits against the mayor of Los Angeles and others who call for the violence. Additionally fines for them and for the actual protesters who refuse to follow police orders. They need to be hit in their pocketbooks.

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-07-14T15:29:11-0500

Valletta said:
Despite warnings from conservatives that their actions endanger people, Democrat leaders have refused to tone down the violent rhetoric and are egging violent protesters on. Now innocent people are getting hurt. I think at this point I think there should be civil lawsuits against the mayor of Los Angeles and others who call for the violence. Additionally fines for them and for the actual protesters who refuse to follow police orders. They need to be hit in their pocketbooks.

lol. Nobody has called for violence. Please quote the mayor.

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-07-14T15:35:44-0500

rjs330 said:
Do you work with a bunch of illegals?

I don’t know. I don’t make it a point to ask people about their immigration status.

rjs330 said:
If not then why are you do worried?

Because so many of you aren’t. That’s what’s so concerning.

Hans Blaster · 2025-07-14T15:38:16-0500

Valletta said:
Despite warnings from conservatives that their actions endanger people, Democrat leaders have refused to tone down the violent rhetoric and are egging violent protesters on. Now innocent people are getting hurt. I think at this point I think there should be civil lawsuits against the mayor of Los Angeles and others who call for the violence. Additionally fines for them and for the actual protesters who refuse to follow police orders. They need to be hit in their pocketbooks.

How is violence by overzealous law enforcement on "protestors" a consequence of anti-ICE/anti-raid "rhetoric"? Did the ICE boys hurt their feelings and now they need to take it out on someone?

Pommer · 2025-07-14T15:39:06-0500

Valletta said:
Despite warnings from conservatives that their actions endanger people, Democrat leaders have refused to tone down the violent rhetoric and are egging violent protesters on. Now innocent people are getting hurt. I think at this point I think there should be civil lawsuits against the mayor of Los Angeles and others who call for the violence. Additionally fines for them and for the actual protesters who refuse to follow police orders. They need to be hit in their pocketbooks.

Where. Are. The. Children?

wing2000 · 2025-07-14T16:38:09-0500

Valletta said:
Despite warnings from conservatives that their actions endanger people, Democrat leaders have refused to tone down the violent rhetoric and are egging violent protesters on. Now innocent people are getting hurt. I think at this point I think there should be civil lawsuits against the mayor of Los Angeles and others who call for the violence. Additionally fines for them and for the actual protesters who refuse to follow police orders. They need to be hit in their pocketbooks.

"Democrat leaders" are not detaining American citizens.

Valletta · 2025-07-14T16:45:43-0500

GoldenBoy89 said:
lol. Nobody has called for violence. Please quote the mayor.

It's evolving into a situation similar to the Confederacy, where states did not want to be subject to federal law or authority.

Hans Blaster · 2025-07-14T16:48:01-0500

Valletta said:
It's evolving into a situation similar to the Confederacy, where states did not want to be subject to federal law or authority.

No. It really isn't. -WTS

Valletta · 2025-07-14T17:45:12-0500

Pommer said:
Where. Are. The. Children?

"As of July 14, at least 14 migrant children have been rescued from potential exploitation, forced labor and human trafficking. ICE has transferred 10 of the children who are unaccompanied to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)."

DHS Releases Update on Criminal Illegal Aliens Arrested, Children Rescued During Marijuana Grow Site Operation | Homeland Security

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) today released the following update regarding U.S. Immigration Customs Enforcement (ICE) and U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) operation at two marijuana grow sites in California.

www.dhs.gov

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-07-14T18:26:51-0500

Valletta said:
It's evolving into a situation similar to the Confederacy, where states did not want to be subject to federal law or authority.

Not sure what that has to do with anything. When and how did the mayor call for violence against any LEOs? Quote her words.

Valletta · 2025-07-14T22:29:34-0500

GoldenBoy89 said:
Not sure what that has to do with anything. When and how did the mayor call for violence against any LEOs? Quote her words.

You quote her.

Pommer · 2025-07-15T02:32:21-0500

Valletta said:
I think at this point I think there should be civil lawsuits against the mayor of Los Angeles and others who call for the violence.

GoldenBoy89 said:
lol. Nobody has called for violence. Please quote the mayor.

Valletta said:
It's evolving into a situation similar to the Confederacy, where states did not want to be subject to federal law or authority.

GoldenBoy89 said:
Not sure what that has to do with anything. When and how did the mayor call for violence against any LEOs? Quote her words.

Valletta said:
You quote her.

Odd exchange…so what did the mayor say that was interpreted by anyone to be calling for violence?

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