Do you agree with the President on border enforcement and illegal aliens?

Always in His Presence · Monday at 12:27 PM

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
Another thread focus on criticizing Democrats and how Democrats were wrong , or changed their position or they are all hypocrites rather than addressing real issues like immigration or border security and how to solve the problem.

Threads such as this contribute to increased political polarization in the United States. Such discussions lead to further division, as both politicians and citizens are less inclined to compromise or seek collective solutions, instead often finding themselves in opposition to each other.

The very moment the left stops, I will also.

Name one thing from the left that add to drawing the party’s closer together.

essentialsaltes · Monday at 12:41 PM

Always in His Presence said:
Name one thing from the left that add to drawing the party’s closer together.

The bipartisan immigration bills that Trump torpedoed.

Fervent · Monday at 12:41 PM

Always in His Presence said:
The very moment the left stops, I will also.

Name one thing from the left that add to drawing the party’s closer together.

Ah yes, as Jesus taught "Do unto them as they do unto you."

Always in His Presence · Monday at 12:45 PM

Fervent said:
Ah yes, as Jesus taught "Do unto them as they do unto you."

Make up your mind. Are we a Christian nation or not?

Bring my Lord into the political realm then if you follow Jeses you have to take a stand against killing babies in the womb and sexual perversions that rally around the rainbow flag.

Which is it?

essentialsaltes · Monday at 12:59 PM

Always in His Presence said:
Bring my Lord into the political realm then if you follow Jeses you have to

My (preferred version of God's) way or the highway. This tactic is not showing much openness to compromise and meeting in the middle, much less allowing followers of Jesus to decide for themselves what that requires.

BCP1928 · Monday at 1:01 PM

Always in His Presence said:
Make up your mind. Are we a Christian nation or not?

Bring my Lord into the political realm then if you follow Jeses you have to take a stand against killing babies in the womb and sexual perversions that rally around the rainbow flag.

Which is it?

Neither one. You don't own Christianity and are in no position to dictate to others what they must believe about it.

Always in His Presence · Monday at 1:50 PM

BCP1928 said:
Neither one. You don't own Christianity and are in no position to dictate to others what they must believe about it.

And neither are you.

FAITH-IN-HIM · Monday at 1:51 PM

Always in His Presence said:
The very moment the left stops, I will also.

Name one thing from the left that add to drawing the party’s closer together.

I do not deny that many individuals on the left find nearly every action or inaction by President Trump or today's Republicans problematic. Even minor tweets from President Trump or other conservatives are often seen as irritating to liberals, who may sometimes interpret issues where none exist.

However, a similar dynamic occurs on the right. Any criticism of President Trump is frequently dismissed as mere opposition without substantive basis. In response to liberal criticism, conservatives also tend to scrutinize and criticize even minor actions by those on the left.

We can either persist in this reciprocal behavior and maintain our disagreements, or move beyond political differences to seek common ground, or at least acknowledge that, despite our differences, we all aim for a better America.

Always in His Presence · Monday at 1:52 PM

essentialsaltes said:
My (preferred version of God's) way or the highway. This tactic is not showing much openness to compromise and meeting in the middle, much less allowing followers of Jesus to decide for themselves what that requires.

I’m open, where do we agree about Scripture?

BCP1928 · Monday at 1:53 PM

Always in His Presence said:
And neither are you.

I don't dictate to you what the content of your faith should be.

Always in His Presence · Monday at 1:54 PM

BCP1928 said:
I don't dictate to you what the content of your faith should be.

Then you should not have an issue with what I said posted, yet here we are.

Fervent · Monday at 1:58 PM

Always in His Presence said:
Make up your mind. Are we a Christian nation or not?

Whether or not we are a "Christian nation" is irrelevant, the question is which is in the driver's seat for you your politics or your faith?

Always in His Presence said:
Bring my Lord into the political realm then if you follow Jeses you have to take a stand against killing babies in the womb and sexual perversions that rally around the rainbow flag.

You seem to operate on the idea that there is a binary and that political opinions are a matter of team sports. It is quite possible to regard illegal immigration through a humanitarian lens while not embracing the left's assault on moral living.

Always in His Presence said:
Which is it?

There's no either/or, the question is which is more important to you your nationalism or the teachings of Christ?

Fervent · Monday at 2:00 PM

essentialsaltes said:
My (preferred version of God's) way or the highway. This tactic is not showing much openness to compromise and meeting in the middle, much less allowing followers of Jesus to decide for themselves what that requires.

Perverse autonomy, strictly speaking, is not a Christian value.

essentialsaltes · Monday at 2:01 PM

Always in His Presence said:
I’m open, where do we agree about Scripture?

That's something more appropriate for you and your fellow Christians like Fervent to discuss.

Always in His Presence · Monday at 2:03 PM

Fervent said:
There's no either/or, the question is which is more important to you your nationalism or the teachings of Christ?

I fully support the teachings of Christ and Holy Scripture.

Which includes:

Obeying those in authority. IOW don’t support criminal Actions. The one germane to this thread would be the criminal act of coming into the country illegally.

It took seven months in an internment camp for my parents to enter this country legally and it is a slap in the face to embrace people who break the law.

Fervent · Monday at 2:17 PM

Always in His Presence said:
I fully support the teachings of Christ and Holy Scripture.

Which includes:

Obeying those in authority. IOW don’t support criminal Actions. The one germane to this thread would be the criminal act of coming into the country illegally.

It took seven months in an internment camp for my parents to enter this country legally and it is a slap in the face to embrace people who break the law.

You seem to have missed the stuff about caring for the foreigner in your midst and remembering that you were once foreigners and slaves. Putting laws above the humanitarian issues smacks of pharisaical obstinance, especially when those laws involve human designated borders. Rule of law and order are important, but not more important than human dignity and an obligation to care for the needy.

BCP1928 · Monday at 2:22 PM

Always in His Presence said:
I fully support the teachings of Christ and Holy Scripture.

Which includes:

Obeying those in authority. IOW don’t support criminal Actions. The one germane to this thread would be the criminal act of coming into the country illegally.

It took seven months in an internment camp for my parents to enter this country legally and it is a slap in the face to embrace people who break the law.

Yet you are in favor of deporting people who did come into the country legally and have committed no other crime while here.

DaisyDay · Monday at 2:31 PM

BCP1928 said:
Of course, and those things are routinely considered by any municipality when a population increase is considered.

This is also why all people and not just citizens are counted in the census, despite the GOP.

Richard T · Monday at 2:41 PM

ozso said:
That's 57 out of 1,100,000 international students or 0.00518181818%.

Here are more and probably some others that are not reported. International Students Status Revoked Over 950: What You Need to Know
I think the bigger problem is with the new wannabe students. Some are just giving up on visas altogether. Every time a visa holder arrives in the USA, even if they have a green card, there may be issues getting in. Here is the rise in the rejection of fiance visa applicants.

"New Boundless Report: Fiancé Visa Approvals Decrease By 66% Under Trump: New Boundless Report: Fiancé Visa Approvals Decrease By 66% Under Trump

So Trump marries two foreigners, and now he is cutting many other US citizens out from giving their fiance's a visa that will allow them to marry and ultimately live in the states. It's only a 90 day visa to begin with. Marry and you get to stay and pay again for a green card. Or marry abroad and wait over a year. Such time frames make family planning pretty difficult.

Akita Suggagaki · Monday at 2:45 PM

Always in His Presence said:
The American people are a welcoming and generous people. But those who enter our country illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of law.

Ever since the pardon of January 6th rioters and other friends, an appeal to the "rule of Law" cannot be taken seriously.

Never the less, borders must be more secure. Offenders must be treated humanely and with due process according to "rule of law."

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