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Let Biden go in peace. Do we really need to gloat and jeer?

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It shows you don’t want to be challenged with what actually happened, just yell into an echo chamber.



Reason magazine is nonsense, as is a random link to a share file of a supposedly official document. The second sentence of your post is nonsensical.

The Newsweek link is to an editorial, not a news article, from four years ago about topics that have since resolved showing that none of what you allege occurred. I suspect you didn’t read the editorial as it says “There's no evidence that the experiments in question had any direct bearing on the pandemic” and has the basic message that while it seems likely everything was above board, it won’t satisfy those who fall into rabbit holes and seek out conspiracy theories as it appears to undermine trust, whereas really what was happening was information changed as more information became available.

I tend to side with the editorial… People who want to abandon reason to believe the conspiracy will do so regardless of what information is out there. There is no saving them, appealing to them, or convincing them of what happened because they prefer or need the conspiracy narrative. Instead, continue to present with a high level of integrity to those who with the willingness to learn and hear what happened, who understand how research and science work, and maintain their overall public trust.

It shows you don’t want to be challenged with what actually happened, just yell into an echo chamber.



Reason magazine is nonsense, as is a random link to a share file of a supposedly official document. The second sentence of your post is nonsensical.

The Newsweek link is to an editorial, not a news article, from four years ago about topics that have since resolved showing that none of what you allege occurred. I suspect you didn’t read the editorial as it says “There's no evidence that the experiments in question had any direct bearing on the pandemic” and has the basic message that while it seems likely everything was above board, it won’t satisfy those who fall into rabbit holes and seek out conspiracy theories as it appears to undermine trust, whereas really what was happening was information changed as more information became available.

I tend to side with the editorial… People who want to abandon reason to believe the conspiracy will do so regardless of what information is out there. There is no saving them, appealing to them, or convincing them of what happened because they prefer or need the conspiracy narrative. Instead, continue to present with a high level of integrity to those who with the willingness to learn and hear what happened, who understand how research and science work, and maintain their overall public trust.
Don’t want to be challenged? The Newsweek article clearly states that some firm named EcoHealth Alliance was subcontracted to international projects under the NIH for gain of function research in Wuhan. This firm was contracted when Fauci was head of the NIH and its president Peter Daszak who denounced all possibilities that there was a lab leak. The NIH under Fauci suppressed information about ECOHealth Alliance for over a year.

The editorial is trying to do damage control for Fauci & pin more on that Daszak character but they seem to give themselves away but you got your spin and are ok with it.

As the editorial pivots for Fauci ( at least they gave truthful facts):




While Dr. Fauci takes the political heat, the revelations center on another figure in this drama: Peter Daszak, president of the private research firm EcoHealth Alliance, which received the $3 million NIH grant for coronavirus research and subcontracted the gain-of-function experiments to the Wuhan lab. The activities of Daszak and EcoHealth before the pandemic and during it show a startling lack of transparency about their work with coronaviruses and raise questions about what more there may be to learn.

From the start, Daszak has worked vigorously to discredit any notion that the pandemic could have been the result of a lab accident. When the media was first grappling with the basics of the situation, Daszak organized a letter in the prestigious medical journal The Lancet from 27 scientists, to "strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin," and got himself appointed to the WHO team investigating COVID origins, where he successfully argued that there was no need to look into the WIV's archives.



What Daszak didn't reveal at the time was that the WIV had been using the NIH grant money to genetically engineer dozens of novel coronaviruses discovered in bat samples, and that he knew it was entirely possible that one of those samples had contained SARS-CoV-2 and had infected a researcher, as he conceded to the journal Science in a November 17 interview: "Of course it's possible—things have happened in the past."

The NIH fought for more than a year to keep details about the EcoHealth grant under wraps. The 528 pages of proposals, conditions, emails, and progress reports revealed that EcoHealth had funded experiments at the WIV that were considerably riskier than the ones previously disclosed.

The trouble began in May 2016….


However, we have a new director of NIH who says Fauci’s pardon is ok & to move on which is fine.


https://www.politico.com/news/magaz...a-nih-chief-vaccines-covid-interview-00345488



And the beat goes on;


 
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Well, somebody on this thread said it, so…

I’m concerned that he surrounded himself in ethic-less sycophants who will ride his coattails and hide his condition for as long as possible for the same reason North Korea did with their leader. There’s power in the name, he has an ardent following, and he’s easy to manipulate, so it’s in their best interest to keep him as a figurehead while they do their own agendas.
That doesn't fit in with the other claim being made that he's a strongman autocrat dictator.
 
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Don’t want to be challenged? The Newsweek article clearly states that some firm named EcoHealth Alliance was subcontracted to international projects under the NIH for gain of function research in Wuhan. This firm was contracted when Fauci was head of the NIH and its president Peter Daszak who denounced all possibilities that there was a lab leak. The NIH under Fauci suppressed information about ECOHealth Alliance for over a year.

The editorial is trying to do damage control for Fauci & pin more on that Daszak character but they seem to give themselves away but you got your spin and are ok with it.

As the editorial pivots for Fauci ( at least they gave truthful facts):




While Dr. Fauci takes the political heat, the revelations center on another figure in this drama: Peter Daszak, president of the private research firm EcoHealth Alliance, which received the $3 million NIH grant for coronavirus research and subcontracted the gain-of-function experiments to the Wuhan lab. The activities of Daszak and EcoHealth before the pandemic and during it show a startling lack of transparency about their work with coronaviruses and raise questions about what more there may be to learn.

From the start, Daszak has worked vigorously to discredit any notion that the pandemic could have been the result of a lab accident. When the media was first grappling with the basics of the situation, Daszak organized a letter in the prestigious medical journal The Lancet from 27 scientists, to "strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin," and got himself appointed to the WHO team investigating COVID origins, where he successfully argued that there was no need to look into the WIV's archives.



What Daszak didn't reveal at the time was that the WIV had been using the NIH grant money to genetically engineer dozens of novel coronaviruses discovered in bat samples, and that he knew it was entirely possible that one of those samples had contained SARS-CoV-2 and had infected a researcher, as he conceded to the journal Science in a November 17 interview: "Of course it's possible—things have happened in the past."

The NIH fought for more than a year to keep details about the EcoHealth grant under wraps. The 528 pages of proposals, conditions, emails, and progress reports revealed that EcoHealth had funded experiments at the WIV that were considerably riskier than the ones previously disclosed.

The trouble began in May 2016….


However, we have a new director of NIH who says Fauci’s pardon is ok & to move on which is fine.


https://www.politico.com/news/magaz...a-nih-chief-vaccines-covid-interview-00345488



And the beat goes on;


Again, you’re quoting an editorial that doesn’t support your view (which you now admit probably because you clearly didn’t read it until I pointed it out), a nonsense “news” site, and an article that has nothing to do with anything other than you believe it supports your conspiracy theory. So, no, you don’t want to be challenged. You want an echo chamber because you have a theory you desperately want to believe which matches the “my side is the best, your side is the worst!” sports-team political style.
 
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How is what “many” are saying that aren’t me something I should answer for?
You said the same thing many others are saying. And basically that group, saying the same thing you said, go back and forth between saying Trump is feeble to saying he's a strongman autocrat.
 
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Again, you’re quoting an editorial that doesn’t support your view (which you now admit probably because you clearly didn’t read it until I pointed it out), a nonsense “news” site, and an article that has nothing to do with anything other than you believe it supports your conspiracy theory. So, no, you don’t want to be challenged. You want an echo chamber because you have a theory you desperately want to believe which matches the “my side is the best, your side is the worst!” sports-team political style.
To me the fact that the editorial admits that there was a lab leak ( which was a “conspiracy theory” when Trump was president) & that all parties involved covered things up for a year says a lot whatever they conclude otherwise. I linked another article from Reason magazine that says USAID funding may have been used for gain of function research ( whether unintentional or not); I know you hate the Reason magazine so that settles that. I posted an article about the current NIH director who criticized Fauci’s COVID policies but says we need to move on & let him be, Lastly, I linked a CBS report about 3 Chinese nationals caught smuggling contagions into our nation in the last couple weeks. Yeah, I know echo chamber and reason mag is junk got it.
 
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Because you said the same thing many others are saying. And basically that group, saying the same thing you said, go back and forth between saying Trump is feeble to saying he's a strongman autocrat.
So I circle back… Where did I say Trump is a “strongman autocrat dictator?”
 
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To me the fact that the editorial admits that there was a lab leak ( which was a “conspiracy theory” when Trump was president) & that all parties involved covered things up for a year says a lot whatever they conclude otherwise.
Do you know what an editorial is…?
I linked another article from Reason magazine that says USAID funding may have been used for gain of function research ( whether unintentional or not); I know you hate the Reason magazine so that settles that.
I don’t hate it. It’s just not news.

I posted an article about the current NIH director who criticized Fauci’s COVID policies but says we need to move on & let him be,
So why aren’t you…?

Lastly, I linked a CBS report about 3 Chinese nationals caught smuggling contagions into our nation in the last couple weeks.
Which has what to do with anything related to anything…?

Yeah, I know echo chamber and reason mag is junk got it.
Correct.
 
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It's not hard to see. Trump needs Biden to blame everything on that he can't blame on one of his underlings.

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:rolleyes: It’s similar to how some people need the current President and past Presidents and I am sure future Presidents to obsess and blame everything on. Not a very profitable endeavor.
 
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You said the same thing many others are saying. And basically that group, saying the same thing you said, go back and forth between saying Trump is feeble to saying he's a strongman autocrat.
Like some Roman emperors? Not quite the same thing.
 
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Where did I say Trump is a “strongman autocrat dictator?”
I've seen "wannabee autocrat dictator" lots of times. But never "strongman autocrat dictator."
 
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Yeah, I know echo chamber and reason mag is junk got it.
Ad Fontes Media rates Reason in the Middle category of bias and as Generally Reliable/Analysis OR Other Issues in terms of reliability. Reason is a monthly libertarian magazine founded in 1968. It is published by the Reason Foundation, a non-profit organization, and is based in Los Angeles and Washington, D.C.

Not so bad. Skews slightly right, but not extremely so.
 
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It's not hard to see. Trump needs Biden to blame everything on that he can't blame on one of his underlings.

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I think Joe Biden needs something big named after him. Really big. Maybe not as big as Greenland. So maybe it's a fitting honor.
 
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I think Joe Biden needs something big named after him. Really big. Maybe not as big as Greenland. So maybe it's a fitting honor.
I would say "Build back better", but with all the republicans trying to claim credit for it after having noisily opposed it, maybe it's too late.

Biden calls out Republicans who took credit for infrastructure legislation they opposed

Biden did not name any Republican lawmakers in his speech, but a recent review by CNN’s “The Lead with Jake Tapper” found at least 14 congressional Republicans who voted against the bill have tried to take credit for projects made possible by it.

Iowa Democrat Liz Mathis, who is trying to unseat Republican Rep. Ashley Hinson, recently called out Hinson for claiming in a statement that she “helped lead a bipartisan group” to “prioritize funding for these essential upgrades” despite opposing the bill.
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Republican Rep. Tony Gonzales of Texas claimed in a post on his website in January that he secured $75 million for a creek restoration project in his district that came from the infrastructure bill despite voting against the bill. Gonzales had also said the infrastructure bill would “only make matters worse and hold our country back.”
Republican Sen. Rick Scott of Florida also voted against the bill but in January toured a new embankment in the Everglades and tried to take credit for “securing an unprecedented $1 billion for Everglades restoration, the largest single amount ever allocated by the federal government.”

The review by “The Lead” found other congressional Republicans who opposed the bill but have tried to take credit for it include: Rep. Gary Palmer of Alabama, Rep. Michelle Steel of California, Rep. Mariannette Miller-Meeks of Iowa, Rep. Steve Scalise of Louisiana, Rep. Clay Higgins of Louisiana, Rep. Garret Graves of Louisiana, Rep. Andy Harris of Maryland, Rep. Pete Stauber of Minnesota, Rep. Yvette Herrell of New Mexico, Rep. Kay Granger of Texas, Rep. Rob Wittman of Virginia and Rep. Ken Calvert of California.

 
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