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Let Biden go in peace. Do we really need to gloat and jeer?

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The man thinks The Declaration of Independence was the result of the Civil War. He talked about drones cutting down trees, Mayor Pete isn’t presidential material because he rides a bike, and a lumber jacking champion all in the same meandering 90 second discussion. His whole flagpole discussion was frankly unintelligible, and he sounded like an elementary school child over the use of the word “erect.”

The man is in mental decline, he’s an idiot, or both. If Biden talked like that, you’d want his head.

Judging by the whole shadow government comment though, you’re operating from the land of alternative facts anyway. I don’t do the conspiracy theory stuff and you think he can’t do anything wrong. You’re the demographic he’s aiming for.
The left does not know how to display grace when it comes to requiring everyone on the right needs to be perfect while covering up for even the slightest misstatement by anyone on the left. It's really a shame that you (anyone who has this attitude) are so biased that you think the left does nothing wrong. YOU'VE never made a misstatement, I'm guessing. YOU'VE never tripped up a set of stairs. YOU'VE never been shot in the head. It just gets tiresome to see everyone hate someone so much that they'd rather see their country die than see someone on the other side of the aisle get the job done. So you bash the one person who didn't get rich off the office, who, in fact, doesn't take a salary from the American people, and who put aside his own businesses because he loves this country that much. And I'm not even a Trumper. I shake my head at some of his gaffes, too, but I realize that everyone doesn't know everything. The best thing he does is surround himself with people who do.
 
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Trump has said plenty of bizarre things, sure. I don’t know if anyone will deny that. What is far more concerning, in my opinion, is his father had Alzheimer’s, so he might get it, too.

I dunno.
Well, somebody on this thread said it, so…

I’m concerned that he surrounded himself in ethic-less sycophants who will ride his coattails and hide his condition for as long as possible for the same reason North Korea did with their leader. There’s power in the name, he has an ardent following, and he’s easy to manipulate, so it’s in their best interest to keep him as a figurehead while they do their own agendas.
 
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The left does not know how to display grace when it comes to requiring everyone on the right needs to be perfect while covering up for even the slightest misstatement by anyone on the left. It's really a shame that you (anyone who has this attitude) are so biased that you think the left does nothing wrong.
You’re projecting. I’ve never once ever in the history of being alive ever thought or said that the left or Democrats have done nothing wrong.
YOU'VE never made a misstatement, I'm guessing.
One that had national security, diplomacy, and policy out at risk? Can’t say that I have. I personally misspeak all the time, but I’m also not the president. I’ve also never “misspoken” for numerous minutes straight, nor repeatedly “misspoken” the same wrong thing numerous times over the course of months. And for the times I have misspoken, I’ve corrected myself, and I’ve never misspoken about basic US historical facts multiple times.
YOU'VE never tripped up a set of stairs.
I’ve never said anything about him tripping up the stairs…?

YOU'VE never been shot in the head.
His nonsense predates his ear injury by about a decade. And I’ve spoken about how awful his assassination attempt was numerous times, how there’s no condoning it, there’s no excusing it, and it was an attack on all of democracy and not just him.

It just gets tiresome to see everyone hate someone so much that they'd rather see their country die than see someone on the other side of the aisle get the job done.
I agree, so why you continue the behavior you hate is beyond me. Only you have the power to rewrite your conduct, and projecting it onto me does not do that.
So you bash the one person who didn't get rich off the office, who, in fact, doesn't take a salary from the American people, and who put aside his own businesses because he loves this country that much.
Whaaaaaaaat. LoL!! It’s comments like this that make it impossible to take you seriously. The man has monitized that office to the moon and back.
And I'm not even a Trumper. I shake my head at some of his gaffes, too, but I realize that everyone doesn't know everything. The best thing he does is surround himself with people who do.
I think that says it right there… You defend him to the point of invoking conspiracy theories and made up propaganda nonsense, but want everybody to know you’re not a Trumper. Because admitting as much is apparently too embarrassing, lol.
 
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Seems some if not a lot of those stupid things were him being facetious, sarcastic, or joking and media running with it as him being serious.
I know and I think of the situation during Covid 19 when Trump was reported as sayingthat injection of ammonia or whatever could act as a vaccine, I remember the press conference and he was only expressing wishful thinking like if he had a magic wand or something. Meanwhile the “good” doctor who helped cover up the Wuhan gain of function experiments was promoted by the media as some phony voice of reason.
 
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I know and I think of the situation during Covid 19 when Trump was reported as sayingthat injection of ammonia or whatever could act as a vaccine, I remember the press conference and he was only expressing wishful thinking like if he had a magic wand or something. Meanwhile the “good” doctor who helped cover up the Wuhan gain of function experiments was promoted by the media as some phony voice of reason.
This is a re-write of history that truly is admirable in its creativity, I must say.
 
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This is a re-write of history that truly is admirable in its creativity, I must say.
Says you and I’ll leave off here and guess you got the “last word” on this.
 
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You’re projecting. I’ve never once ever in the history of being alive ever thought or said that the left or Democrats have done nothing wrong.

One that had national security, diplomacy, and policy out at risk? Can’t say that I have. I personally misspeak all the time, but I’m also not the president. I’ve also never “misspoken” for numerous minutes straight, nor repeatedly “misspoken” the same wrong thing numerous times over the course of months. And for the times I have misspoken, I’ve corrected myself, and I’ve never misspoken about basic US historical facts multiple times.

I’ve never said anything about him tripping up the stairs…?


His nonsense predates his ear injury by about a decade. And I’ve spoken about how awful his assassination attempt was numerous times, how there’s no condoning it, there’s no excusing it, and it was an attack on all of democracy and not just him.


I agree, so why you continue the behavior you hate is beyond me. Only you have the power to rewrite your conduct, and projecting it onto me does not do that.

Whaaaaaaaat. LoL!! It’s comments like this that make it impossible to take you seriously. The man has monitized that office to the moon and back.

I think that says it right there… You defend him to the point of invoking conspiracy theories and made up propaganda nonsense, but want everybody to know you’re not a Trumper. Because admitting as much is apparently too embarrassing, lol.
I have not made up anything or repeated conspiracy theories. Which part of what I said is untrue? He takes no salary, and if you want to talk about someone monitizing the office, look no further than Biden. His presidency was ripe with scandal, including selling out his country to the highest bidder. And Trump doesn't misspeak, per se (though it happens on occasion) as much as he embellishes. It's something EVERY person alive does. But, I digress. Please go back to bashing Trump because he misspoke a couple times.

Can you link me to any post you made about Biden trying to call the woman who died up to the stage to introduce her? Or any time you dissed your own side? I cease to see someone who props up one side at all costs at the expense of the other as serious.
 
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Says you and I’ll leave off here and guess you got the “last word” on this.
Says me and history, which is all that matters. But I get why you wouldn’t want to discuss it beyond simply declaring it.
 
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Without formally replying to anyone, here is a view of reality held by some:

Trump says inject bleach or ammonia into your vains to cure Covid. Undeniable, absolute, fundamental truth of what he believed. It is self evident.


The “good” doctor who was a voice of reason ( to assuage some of us from thinking otherwise). This is fantasy of course to many despite:



And later:




After all the “truth” is here:


 
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I have not made up anything or repeated conspiracy theories. Which part of what I said is untrue?
I mentioned several of them already.
He takes no salary, and if you want to talk about someone monitizing the office, look no further than Biden.
He takes a salary of $400,000. The only year he apparently deferred was 2017, which he declared but never proved. He’s claimed he does via pictures of checks shared to Twitter, but since some of the departments he’s claimed to donate to don’t actually accept donations, it’s pretty probably nonsense. All evidence shows he took his pension salary of about $246,600 and his $1 million yearly travel reimbursements.
His presidency was ripe with scandal, including selling out his country to the highest bidder.
Oh it was not and he did not, lol. Conspiracy theorist nonsense from alt right news sources.
And Trump doesn't misspeak, per se (though it happens on occasion) as much as he embellishes. It's something EVERY person alive does.
Uh… No, not everybody does that. Certainly we shouldn’t be like “sure, the president lies but doesn’t everybody?” One expects higher, not average or lower integrity of our elected officials. And he misspeaks constantly… That’s not even worth pretending doesn’t happen because we all see it does.
But, I digress. Please go back to bashing Trump because he misspoke a couple times.
I bash him for being an objectively terrible president who has no integrity, is intellectually lacking, erratic, and even by your admission less-than-honest. Misspeaking happens. Being a president who doesn’t know basic third grade US history and embarrasses us on a daily basis does not.

Can you link me to any post you made about Biden trying to call the woman who died up to the stage to introduce her?
What an oddly specific request.

As I remember that, he was at an event organized by her, she had died a month prior unexpectedly, and he was on his way to see her family. As you say, “misspeaking” happens and is no big deal.

Or is it only no big deal when it’s your candidate, lol?
Or any time you dissed your own side? I cease to see someone who props up one side at all costs at the expense of the other as serious.
“Dissed” my own side? Maybe that’s the issue here… You’re talking about politics as if we are talking about sports teams and we pick red or we pick blue and everybody is either “my side” or “your side.” Meanwhile, I think it’s far less simplistic. Me? I don’t “diss” sides. I discuss politics, politicians, and the nuances that entails which is far, far more complex than picking a team and “dissing” the opposition. This isn’t a rap battle. And you say you don’t take somebody who props up one side at all costs as serious, yet here you are defending Trump and talking about “sides.” You don’t even conduct yourself by a standard you have respect for, so how am I supposed to?

For the record, I don’t operate by “sides.” I vote both sides of the aisle. Before 2016, I was pretty split on democrats and republicans on my ballots. The only person here who’s chosen a side is you: your side you believe does no wrong, and the “side” you projected onto me by insisting I have and blindly support simply because I think Trump is a garbage person and leader. You have no interest in what I actually believe, just what you want me to believe then you get yourself all worked up about it… Probably because taking the time to have a discussion about what I believe instead of “the left are the bad guys always and forever” is a bit too much for you. That’s fine, not everybody knows about politics beyond the headlines like I do, but it does mean when you behave that way, you’re arguing with yourself, not me, and you’re working yourself up over nonsense.

Funny for me? Yes. Conductive to a real discussion about politics? No. But you’re looking to be mad, not have a discussion, so rock on.
 
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Without formally replying to anyone, here is a view of reality held by some:

Trump says inject bleach or ammonia into your vains to cure Covid. Undeniable, absolute, fundamental truth of what he believed. It is self evident.


The “good” doctor who was a voice of reason ( to assuage some of us from thinking otherwise). This is fantasy of course to many despite:



And later:


Interesting you didn’t tag me since it was me you were talking about this to, probably because you know those are nonsense sources, lol.
 
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I know and I think of the situation during Covid 19 when Trump was reported as sayingthat injection of ammonia or whatever could act as a vaccine, I remember the press conference and he was only expressing wishful thinking like if he had a magic wand or something. Meanwhile the “good” doctor who helped cover up the Wuhan gain of function experiments was promoted by the media as some phony voice of reason.
I remember the press conference. A diluted bleach solution was confirmed to serve as a disinfectant, and Trump said he had asked Fauci whether it could in the body, and Fauci said "No." Of course, that's not how it was reported. It was "Trump said to drink bleach! Trump said to drink bleach! Wonk, wonk, wonk!" Given that water is often chlorinated to prevent the spread of some diseases, that might not be as stupid a question at it seems. The point here is Trump knew enough to ask a doctor about it, in this case Fauci, and that didn't make for good anti-Trump propaganda, so that aspect was swept under the rug. News hasn't seemed to have changed much from the days of Jefferson, or even William Randolph Hearst.

Oddly, when Trump, during the 2016 campaign, made a reference to "Two Corinthians" instead of "2nd Corinthians," that didn't get any traction. Maybe the reporters didn't know enough about the bible to pick up on it.
 
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Interesting you didn’t tag me since it was me you were talking about this to, probably because you know those are nonsense sources, lol.
So I didn’t, so what? Reason magazine is hardly an ally of Trump, a memo confirming Fauci was in the original loop on COVID, and a 2021 article from Newsweek ( below) have relevance. I know Trump said use Clorox for Covid; I can probably add that he said add it to a martini and would be ok for many people as fact.



 
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So I didn’t, so what?
It shows you don’t want to be challenged with what actually happened, just yell into an echo chamber.

Reason magazine is hardly an ally of Trump, a memo confirming Fauci was in the original loop on COVID, and a 2021 article from Newsweek ( below) have relevance. I know Trump said use Clorox for Covid; I can probably add that he said add it to a martini and would be ok for many people as fact.




Reason magazine is nonsense, as is a random link to a share file of a supposedly official document. The second sentence of your post is nonsensical.

The Newsweek link is to an editorial, not a news article, from four years ago about topics that have since resolved showing that none of what you allege occurred. I suspect you didn’t read the editorial as it says “There's no evidence that the experiments in question had any direct bearing on the pandemic” and has the basic message that while it seems likely everything was above board, it won’t satisfy those who fall into rabbit holes and seek out conspiracy theories as it appears to undermine trust, whereas really what was happening was information changed as more information became available.

I tend to side with the editorial… People who want to abandon reason to believe the conspiracy will do so regardless of what information is out there. There is no saving them, appealing to them, or convincing them of what happened because they prefer or need the conspiracy narrative. Instead, continue to present with a high level of integrity to those who with the willingness to learn and hear what happened, who understand how research and science work, and maintain their overall public trust.
 
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Well, somebody on this thread said it, so…

I’m concerned that he surrounded himself in ethic-less sycophants who will ride his coattails and hide his condition for as long as possible for the same reason North Korea did with their leader. There’s power in the name, he has an ardent following, and he’s easy to manipulate, so it’s in their best interest to keep him as a figurehead while they do their own agendas.
He’s 79. He won’t be president forever.
 
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He’s 79. He won’t be president forever.
Thank God for that at least. Term limits FTW. I’m just hoping the damage doesn’t outlive his time in office by too much.
 
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Thank God for that at least. Term limits FTW. I’m just hoping the damage doesn’t outlive his time in office by too much.
Our nation will heal. It always has.
 
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