TONE DOWN YOUR RHETORIC! Leavitt Urges Democrats to Tone Down Anti-ICE Language After Border Agents Shot At [VIDEO]

rjs330 said:

We dont have statute of limitations.

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I’m saying it wouldn’t matter because this administration is ignoring the sanctuary laws we already have in place. They would likely also ignore any statute of limitations as well to push forward with their enforcement efforts.

rjs330 said:

That's not happening.

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'Tis

GoldenBoy89 said:

We have sanctuary laws.

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We used to have laws.

rjs330 said:

No its been made clear. Some people don't want to enforce immigration law.

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As I said, it appears willful at this point. No one can force understanding.

rjs330 said:

Is there something wrong with that? Picking up as many illegals as they can? If we are going to Crack down, then lets Crack down.

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Well, for folks who see the world in black and white, no. The law is the law.
People who have been building a life for the last 3 decades? Who cares. Get em out. The law is the law.
Dreamers? Too bad your parents decided to immigrate - illegally.

rjs330 said:

You left out a bunch of what I said.

"Of course. LE across this country make mistakes all the time. They arrest the wrong person, they enter the wrong house etc. It happens. But you dont see Americans blocking the police and attacking the police when they show up. You dont see people threatening them and their families."

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No, you're missing my point. What happened to Garcia was not merely an accident. The Trump administration took many deliberate steps to deny him due process and then to ignore court orders regarding his return.

Larniavc said:

'Tis

ICE ‘disappeared’ 48 New Mexico residents, civil rights lawyers say

Attorneys are pressing for answers about the whereabouts of three dozen people arrested in immigration raids

www.independent.co.uk

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No they aren't disappeared. Didn't you read the article? Sometimes its slow due to the fact that its hard to identify some of these people. No ID or fake ID can make it difficult to tell who they are. It can be difficult to get them in the data base.

Just because some lawyer fir the ACLU says they are disappeared doesn't mean they are.

wing2000 said:

Well, for folks who see the world in black and white, no. The law is the law.
People who have been building a life for the last 3 decades? Who cares. Get em out. The law is the law.
Dreamers? Too bad your parents decided to immigrate - illegally.

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Yes that's correct. Thats what laws do. If you dont like it, get the law changed. Just because youve been breaking the law for 30 years doesn't mean it no longer applies to you. Why wouldn't it?

If ive been stealing for 30 years and I finally get caught, I should just be let go?

iluvatar5150 said:

No, you're missing my point. What happened to Garcia was not merely an accident. The Trump administration took many deliberate steps to deny him due process and then to ignore court orders regarding his return.

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Thats your story anyway. He's back isn't he? The administration may have believed wrongly that the original order was no longer valid due to the fact he was no longer in danger and could be deported. They screwed up. We all know they screwed up.

He's back now as ordered.

Its still no excuse to attack ICE agents and threaten them and their families. Is it?

rjs330 said:

Thats your story anyway. He's back isn't he? The administration may have believed wrongly that the original order was no longer valid due to the fact he was no longer in danger and could be deported. They screwed up. We all know they screwed up.

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That's my story? Are you unaware of the facts of the case? Or are you just conveniently ignoring the parts of the story that don't fit your narrative in order to defend Trump?

He was arrested on March 12 and deported on March 15. I can accept that maybe the initial arrest, by itself, was a mistake, though it's hard to see how a speedy deportation is an accident. Regardless, his wife files a lawsuit on March 24 and, by March 31, the administration had admitted in court that his deportation was the result of an "administrative error." At that point, a reasonable person would've tried to correct the error, but that's not what happened, is it?

No, what happened is that the administration spent the next several weeks arguing in court and in the press that 1.) he should stay in El Salvador because he's a gang member and 2.) that they couldn't get him back if they wanted to, before shifting their approach and claiming that they intended to deport him all along and firing the lawyer who admitted that the initial deportation was a mistake. Three other attorneys resigned because of his treatment and the ethical concerns over what was being expected of them.

He's back now as ordered.

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They didn't bring him back until they could file other charges against him on June 6, two months after the initial ruling against them.

There's no way you can describe the vast majority of this as anything other than deliberate, dishonest, and in violation of the law and court decisions.

iluvatar5150 said:

That's my story? Are you unaware of the facts of the case? Or are you just conveniently ignoring the parts of the story that don't fit your narrative in order to defend Trump?

He was arrested on March 12 and deported on March 15. I can accept that maybe the initial arrest, by itself, was a mistake, though it's hard to see how a speedy deportation is an accident. Regardless, his wife files a lawsuit on March 24 and, by March 31, the administration had admitted in court that his deportation was the result of an "administrative error." At that point, a reasonable person would've tried to correct the error, but that's not what happened, is it?

No, what happened is that the administration spent the next several weeks arguing in court and in the press that 1.) he should stay in El Salvador because he's a gang member and 2.) that they couldn't get him back if they wanted to, before shifting their approach and claiming that they intended to deport him all along and firing the lawyer who admitted that the initial deportation was a mistake. Three other attorneys resigned because of his treatment and the ethical concerns over what was being expected of them.




They didn't bring him back until they could file other charges against him on June 6, two months after the initial ruling against them.

There's no way you can describe the vast majority of this as anything other than deliberate, dishonest, and in violation of the law and court decisions.

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I'm well aware of the story and the lefts spin on it.

rjs330 said:

I'm well aware of the story and the lefts spin on it.

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lol ok. What about that was “spin”?

rjs330 said:

I'm well aware of the story and the lefts spin on it.

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He was brought back go face justice because the Administration “forgot” to do that before he had been deported.
This could suggest that the Courts’ Orders were moot; sure, he’s back in the U.S., but only because he needed to be tried in a US court. That his being returned dovetails into the Court order is just gravy.

rjs330 said:

Yes that's correct. Thats what laws do. If you dont like it, get the law changed. Just because youve been breaking the law for 30 years doesn't mean it no longer applies to you. Why wouldn't it?

If ive been stealing for 30 years and I finally get caught, I should just be let go?

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Sorry, your analogy is terrible -- these people don't cross the border daily for 30 years. The analogy would be that you once shoplifted 30 years ago (a misdemeanor offense) or even that you sped maybe 20 miles over the speed limit 30 years ago; so today, because they suspect it was you that did it (with no solid evidence) a group of plainclothes and apparently often unmarked police come and take you away with no access to lawyers, your family, no access to the courts, and only putting it on a list that you were picked up a few days after you disappeared.

SimplyMe said:

these people don't cross the border daily for 30 years.

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No but its not just crossing the border thats illegal. Its living here DAILY thats illegal.

SimplyMe said:

group of plainclothes and apparently often unmarked police come and take you away

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Not against the law. Perfectly legal.

SimplyMe said:

no access to lawyers,

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As the Supreme Court of the United States first outlined in 1893 in Fong Yue Ting v. U.S., a decision in which it rejected habeas corpus petitions filed by Chinese citizens who claimed that they were being unlawfully detained by U.S. marshals “without due process of law”:

The [immigration] proceeding…is in no proper sense a trial and sentence for a crime or offense. It is simply the ascertainment, by appropriate and lawful means, of the fact whether the conditions exist upon which Congress has enacted that an alien of this class may remain within the country. The order of deportation is not a punishment for crime.… It is but a method of enforcing the return to his own country of an alien who has not complied with the conditions upon the performance of which the Government of the nation, acting within its constitutional authority, and through the proper departments, has determined that his continuing to reside here shall depend.

The Court added that an alien being removed by the government is not being “deprived of life, liberty, or property” and that “the provisions of the Constitution securing the right to trial by jury and prohibiting unreasonable searches and seizures and cruel and unusual punishments [therefore] have no application.”

Illegals are entitled to a hearing and entitled to have their own lawyer. However entitled means THEY must ask for one. The government is not required to give them a hearing automatically. And there is even a time frame for some of this.

SimplyMe said:

no access to the courts, and only putting it on a list that you were picked up a few days after you disappeared.

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See above.

If you have been living here for 30 years you are entitled to have a hearing. If you are here 2 years or less you are not.

All these hearings are in front of an immigration judge. Other judges have no jurisdiction. I unless it's a appellate court to appeal the immigration decision.

SimplyMe said:

your family,

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All people who have been arrested are not entitled to contact with family. At least not until they have appeared before a court.