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Can ChatGPT interpret speaking in tongues?

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Can ChatGPT interpret speaking in tongues?

Shawn Bolz, who was recently accused of fabricating prophecies in his ministry, recently shared that it appears OpenAI’s chatbot, ChatGPT, can translate speaking in tongues, also known as glossolalia.

In a recent discussion about God and technology shared on YouTube, Bolz highlighted what is being called the “ChatGPT Tongues Challenge,” which a number of Charismatic and Pentecostal Christians have been engaging in online.

“This week, one of my friends reached out to me who's also a journalist and a writer, and she said, ‘Have you done the ChatGPT tongues thing yet?’ And I said, ‘What are you talking about?’ She goes, ‘I spoke in my prayer language on ChatGPT and it actually interpreted some of my prayer language in different languages around the world,’” Bolz said.

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The fact that they tried it on the first place is what’s funny. As the article states:

Speaking in tongues is the language of the Holy Spirit that was first shared with the Church in the Upper Room in the book of Acts in the Bible, now known as the day of Pentecost.

Research shows that ChatGPT cannot translate glossolalia because it is trained on existing language data, and it lacks the capacity to understand or interpret sounds that are not actual words or languages.

This Pentecostal reporter tested the chatbot on Tuesday, and it noted that the translation of the glossolalia produced was “a creative interpretation, not a literal translation, since the original doesn’t map to any known language.”


People are weirding out with AI. As I read yesterday, we are the problem.
 
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The fact that they tried it on the first place is what’s funny. As the article states:

Speaking in tongues is the language of the Holy Spirit that was first shared with the Church in the Upper Room in the book of Acts in the Bible, now known as the day of Pentecost.

Research shows that ChatGPT cannot translate glossolalia because it is trained on existing language data, and it lacks the capacity to understand or interpret sounds that are not actual words or languages.

This Pentecostal reporter tested the chatbot on Tuesday, and it noted that the translation of the glossolalia produced was “a creative interpretation, not a literal translation, since the original doesn’t map to any known language.”


People are weirding out with AI. As I read yesterday, we are the problem.
Well, the original demonstration of Tongues on the day of Pentecost was understood as real known languages by those who spoke those languages. So, this AI demonstration may be, as you say, purely "creative engineering" to interpret sounds into a language construction, rather than truly interpreting them.

It would be interesting for someone to speak pure gibberish on purpse into the microphone to see what the AI lanaguage indicates, without setting parameters for religious conversation. ;)
 
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Well, the original demonstration of Tongues on the day of Pentecost was understood as real known languages by those who spoke those languages.
Exactly. It was known languages. I never understood how it became what it is today.
 
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Exactly. It was known languages. I never understood how it became what it is today.

Across cultures, religions, and spiritual traditions there are several examples of what can be broadly called "ecstatic speech". For example in Kundalini Yoga, or in various shamanistic traditions where an individual is believed to be possessed by a powerful spirit or spiritual force. Far from me suggesting a spiritual origin, I'm actually convinced that this is mostly psychology. Ecstatic speech is a phenomenon of human psychology. It shouldn't, therefore, be shocking that this sort of phenomenon has been recorded among some Christians, especially Christians who are primed to think in terms of spiritual experiences which highly energetic, emotionally charged. So such ecstatic speech arose within some Christian communities in the late 19th century; but a major shift came with the rise of modern Pentecostalism in the early 20th century. And as Pentecostalism has given way to the more broad Charismatic movements of the 20th century, what began as small gatherings where ecstatic speech occurred it has become fully "theologized" as a system. So the biblical gift of tongues has become conflated with ecstatic speech.

In a sense, the story is probably kind of boring, human beings are funny creatures and our minds do weird things.

Though I suspect the story is probably more interesting than just this skeleton framework. Even if it were only from an historical or comparative religions study perspective.

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Across cultures, religions, and spiritual traditions there are several examples of what can be broadly called "ecstatic speech". For example in Kundalini Yoga, or in various shamanistic traditions where an individual is believed to be possessed by a powerful spirit or spiritual force. Far from me suggesting a spiritual origin, I'm actually convinced that this is mostly psychology. Ecstatic speech is a phenomenon of human psychology. It shouldn't, therefore, be shocking that this sort of phenomenon has been recorded among some Christians, especially Christians who are primed to think in terms of spiritual experiences which highly energetic, emotionally charged. So such ecstatic speech arose within some Christian communities in the late 19th century; but a major shift came with the rise of modern Pentecostalism in the early 20th century. And as Pentecostalism has given way to the more broad Charismatic movements of the 20th century, what began as small gatherings where ecstatic speech occurred it has become fully "theologized" as a system. So the biblical gift of tongues has become conflated with ecstatic speech.

In a sense, the story is probably kind of boring, human beings are funny creatures and our minds do weird things.

Though I suspect the story is probably more interesting than just this skeleton framework. Even if it were only from an historical or comparative religions study perspective.

-CryptoLutheran
I have sort of a mixed view of it. My Lutheran upbringing was dry, and I'm not surprised that many Christians were looking for something more "emotional" or "exciting." I got into the Charismatic Movement, but never really experienced the "Tongues" phenomenon for myself.

I did, however, experience supernatural phenomena. And how can I deny that others have that "Tongues" experience since the NT Scriptures fully endorse Tongues, and indicate that the Holy Spirit gives out different "gifts" for different individuals?

On the other hand, I remain skeptical about what is termed a "prayer language," since I'm not at all sure this is biblical. The Pentecostal Movement has gone so far as to claim *all* should excerise their "spiritual prayer gift," and this seems to go well beyond anything the Bible says about "Tongues."

I think you're right, therefore, in saying that the experience has been "theologized." Interesting way to describe it! But yes, a tradition has been given language extracted from the Scriptures and used to establish its credibility and practice.

Glossalalia, in my experience, has been dignified by many personal accounts where the language has apparently been understood as an actual language by those who knew that language. But I've never found it easy to accept "testimonials" at face value. I don't want to appear to be overly skeptical. But neither do I want to appear to be overly naive.
 
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I have sort of a mixed view of it. My Lutheran upbringing was dry, and I'm not surprised that many Christians were looking for something more "emotional" or "exciting." I got into the Charismatic Movement, but never really experienced the "Tongues" phenomenon for myself.

I did, however, experience supernatural phenomena. And how can I deny that others have that "Tongues" experience since the NT Scriptures fully endorse Tongues, and indicate that the Holy Spirit gives out different "gifts" for different individuals?

On the other hand, I remain skeptical about what is termed a "prayer language," since I'm not at all sure this is biblical. The Pentecostal Movement has gone so far as to claim *all* should excerise their "spiritual prayer gift," and this seems to go well beyond anything the Bible says about "Tongues."

I think you're right, therefore, in saying that the experience has been "theologized." Interesting way to describe it! But yes, a tradition has been given language extracted from the Scriptures and used to establish its credibility and practice.

Glossalalia, in my experience, has been dignified by many personal accounts where the language has apparently been understood as an actual language by those who knew that language. But I've never found it easy to accept "testimonials" at face value. I don't want to appear to be overly skeptical. But neither do I want to appear to be overly naive.

My experience is somewhat opposite.

The majority of my youth was spent while my family was part of the local Foursquare Church. As such Pentecostalism was a defining feature of my Christian experience. When I was twelve years old, I wasn't being Confirmed, instead a traveling evangelist came and laid hands on me, prayed that I'd receive the Baptism with the Holy Spirit, I fell down and had sounds begin to come out of my mouth. In the years following "speaking in tongues" became a routine part of my personal prayer and devotional life. And that didn't stop just because I stopped going to our Foursquare church, or when I stopped identifying myself a Pentecostal.

It was such a deep part of myself that, even today, like riding a bike, I could just flip that switch on and it'd be just as it was over 20 years ago.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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My experience is somewhat opposite.

The majority of my youth was spent while my family was part of the local Foursquare Church. As such Pentecostalism was a defining feature of my Christian experience. When I was twelve years old, I wasn't being Confirmed, instead a traveling evangelist came and laid hands on me, prayed that I'd receive the Baptism with the Holy Spirit, I fell down and had sounds begin to come out of my mouth. In the years following "speaking in tongues" became a routine part of my personal prayer and devotional life. And that didn't stop just because I stopped going to our Foursquare church, or when I stopped identifying myself a Pentecostal.

It was such a deep part of myself that, even today, like riding a bike, I could just flip that switch on and it'd be just as it was over 20 years ago.

-CryptoLutheran
Yes, I've visited the local 4 Square church here in my area. Mixed experience.

I said I experienced supernatural phenomena. This was one such occasion. A visiting "prophet" was there who I recognized--Dick Mills, known for selecting individuals to give brief prophecies to.

We in the audience had our eyes closed, and Mills asked an older gentleman in the back to come forward. I instantly knew it was my pastor, who also was visiting. I opened my eyes to see him walk by.

Immediately after this Mills called on me to stand up, and I refused for a moment, but then complied.
He said I had been cheated and gave me 3 verses from Scriptures, which I treasure to this day. They all seem to be true.

But I'm not on board with a number of Pentecostal beliefs and practices. My Lutheran upbringing was more Scriptural but spiritually dry, as I noted. And they over time seemed to wander, conforming more with modern morality.

But what is more important--to have a deeper experience with God or to be more right with doctrine, dotting the "i"s and crossing the "t"s? It's an individual thing, and I can't pre-judge. Thanks for your input!
 
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Exactly. It was known languages. I never understood how it became what it is today.

Easy to understand, its because people wanted to fake them, because somebody taught them that tongues meant that the Holy Spirit has fallen on them, and they are now empowered in a way that they were not before.
 
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Easy to understand, its because people wanted to fake them, because somebody taught them that tongues meant that the Holy Spirit has fallen on them,
Yeah, I suppose but a clear reading of this verse proves that it was not gibberish. It just proves to me that so many put their trust into their churches (and still do) more than the Word of God. I guess that shouldn't shock me. I was did too for a huge part of my life.

Acts 2:6 "Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language."

It's not just about speaking in tongues (languages) but they all heard each other in their own language.
 
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Yeah, I suppose but a clear reading of this verse proves that it was not gibberish. It just proves to me that so many put their trust into their churches (and still do) more than the Word of God. I guess that shouldn't shock me. I was did too for a huge part of my life.

Acts 2:6 "Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language."

It's not just about speaking in tongues (languages) but they all heard each other in their own language.

They obviously won't use that, they will use those unclear verses in 1 Cor 12-14 about tongues, their favorite is 1 Corinthians 14:2
 
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Perhaps I'm too pragmatic. But I ask questions like, why did this take until the 20th century to become a thing? As far as I know between Acts and the 19th century it's not spoken of in any church writings and records. At least as far as the Pentacostal spirit prayer language adaptation goes.
 
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Can ChatGPT interpret speaking in tongues?

Shawn Bolz, who was recently accused of fabricating prophecies in his ministry, recently shared that it appears OpenAI’s chatbot, ChatGPT, can translate speaking in tongues, also known as glossolalia.

In a recent discussion about God and technology shared on YouTube, Bolz highlighted what is being called the “ChatGPT Tongues Challenge,” which a number of Charismatic and Pentecostal Christians have been engaging in online.

“This week, one of my friends reached out to me who's also a journalist and a writer, and she said, ‘Have you done the ChatGPT tongues thing yet?’ And I said, ‘What are you talking about?’ She goes, ‘I spoke in my prayer language on ChatGPT and it actually interpreted some of my prayer language in different languages around the world,’” Bolz said.

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Since the languages are unknown, and insofar as they lack semantic structure, unknown, ChatGPT obviously can’t interpret them. What it can do, what it is very good at doing, is pattern matching. So if you feed it random syllables, it will try to match those with corresponding patterns.

The result is a horrible waste of compute resources, and as a paying customer of OpenAI I find it deeply frustrating that my money is in some respects being used to subsidize such experimentation by non-paying users.
 
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Research shows that ChatGPT cannot translate glossolalia because it is trained on existing language data, and it lacks the capacity to understand or interpret sounds that are not actual words or languages.

Indeed, but neither can humans (when it comes to giving those sounds a semantic, linguistic meaning). ChatGPT doesn’t yet, as far as I’m aware, have generalized acoustical pattern recognition, so it cannot for example tell the difference between the exquisite roar of a JT3D turbofan on a vintage Boeing 707 or the boring sound of the CFM-56 used on the first generation Airbus A320 family (which it is well suited for, delivering ample power) and A340 (where even with four of them, the A340-400 was so underpowered compared to the 767 or 757 or A330 or the DC10 or L1011), which had larger, more powerful engines of the joke was that it had four vacuum cleaners under the wings), or for that matter, between a jet engine and a vacuum cleaner, or between the delicate purr of a V8 or V12 automobile engine, and the annoying two note racket of a Harley Davidson motorcycle engine, or the difference between the pleasant song of birds like the Magpie or the Canary, the relaxing cry of a seagull at the ocean, and the spooky sound of crows in the autumn.
 
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, they will use those unclear verses in 1 Cor 12-14 about tongues, their favorite is 1 Corinthians 14:2
Yes, and still not understanding Paul's teachings that it was about edifying the church. And if someone was going to speak in a different language than make sure someone can interpret because it would only cause confusion.

And that he himself would rather speak fewer words that all could understand than many words in an unknown tongue (language)

I Corinthians 14:19 "Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue."
 
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The result is a horrible waste of compute resources, and as a paying customer of OpenAI I find it deeply frustrating that my money is in some respects being used to subsidize such experimentation by non-paying users.
It's things like this experiment that make me think free or even relatively cheap AI chatting, at least with such large models, is not long for this world. Widespread casual use of LLMs uses a ton of energy, and at some point the current boom is going to slow down and companies like OpenAI are going to tighten the belt, especially when free users are just trying to get it to tell them that one syllable of their vaguely Arabic-sounding gibberish is ancient Sumerian.
 
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It's things like this experiment that make me think free or even relatively cheap AI chatting, at least with such large models, is not long for this world. Widespread casual use of LLMs uses a ton of energy, and at some point the current boom is going to slow down and companies like OpenAI are going to tighten the belt, especially when free users are just trying to get it to tell them that one syllable of their vaguely Arabic-sounding gibberish is ancient Sumerian.

I don’t think that’s the case, because Moore’s Law remains in effect, and the resources required tomorrow will be less than the amount required today. Furthermore, the quality and capabilities of the systems continue to increase. Rather if a bubble develops, it will take out also-ran AI providers such as Anthropic and perhaps Microsoft (whose plastering of a mediocre AI over everything has been necessary but not an actual improvement in their condition). Google DeepMind is getting better, compared to how embarrassingly bad it was a few months ago.

What chatGPT has to avoid is the fate of former virtualization leader VMware, whose products were groundbreaking and served in both consumer, SMB and enterprise markets, but on the low end could not compete with open source solutions and on the high end was undermined by Microsoft and several other companies, and was acquired by Broadcom, which likes to buy IT companies and get rid of all non-enterprise product lines and then raise the prices on enterprise users.

The fact is that there are open source solutions for running AI on your own hardware with a nice GPU, and they are getting better, and indeed it will reach a point where for most users such an approach and/or the use of Google’s built in system or the PRC-subsidized DeepMind could become a threat to OpenAI, so OpenAI has to avoid becoming a primarily enterprise vendor (and they do have very good enterprise products), which they are doing through new offerings such as their video generating platform and their new Codex system, and by seeking to provide the best overall quality.

By the way, it would be a very bad thing if ordinary people get cut out of AIs, for this reason: AI, when used correctly, can enable substantial improvements in productivity, by automating away those last bits of drudgery that computers have historically struggled with, so that humans can accomplish tasks more quickly and also improve more rapidly in terms of skillset. The more skills you take with you into the use of a good AI system like chatGPT, the more benefits you can extract. For example, Codex focuses on improving the productivity of existing programmers. Software development is a key area for AIs; its something that still benefits from a human touch, but the repetitive aspects of it, which various solutions have tried to eliminate through techniques like web frameworks (such as the now less than fondly remembered Ruby on Rails), rapid development frameworks and so on, without much success, due to problems such as what in IT communities is called “the Law of the Conservation of Complexity” - which is more of a theory but essentially reducing complexity in one part of the system increases it in another, well, by allowing that complexity to be absorbed by an AI, and allowing the AI system to help with the most unpleasant and repetitive aspects of software development, such as analyzing tracebacks and other debugging issues as well as generating GUI code and so on, these are areas which openAI is very strongly focused on.

But AI can help across virtually every problem domain, provided people understand the limitations of the system and understand that basically, it represents pattern recognition par excellence, with real intelligence, to be clear, but it can’t do the impossible, nor is it close to being able to match human originality and creativity (rather, when used correctly, it aids human originality and creativity).

I would also note that people using chatGPT to do things like try to identify what is said when someone engages in glossolalia is less of an offensive waste of resources than the case of people using it to create spammy youtube videos or annoying deepfakes.

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I should perhaps have clarified that my view is that the use of AI systems for certain tasks is an abuse of the intelligence they provide. It does waste resources, but these resources continue to benefit from Moore’s Law, which continues to hold true thanks to EUV lithography and further improvements in the pipeline, and what is more, GPUs are still trailing CPUs in both production and utilization, and even the GPU is not necessarily optimal for AI purposes, so a great deal of hardware optimization can still be done even if we were to hit a quantum brick wall tomorrow in terms of Moore’s Law, with the existing systems, and that’s not factoring in software optimization, to make the AI systems run faster and use fewer resources. Right now they are in an early stage where they require more resources to operate as the focus has been on bringing them online and developing reliable functionality rather than optimizing for speed and performance. Premature optimization is the source of many disasters in the IT world (and also the lack of resources on early computers forcing the use of various tricks to get software to work at all is what led to the original frustration with computers, since people suffered due to bugs that resulted from poor optimization, and even software that did work sometimes alarmed people with literal alarms, for example, the famous 1201 program alarm experienced by the lunar lander on some Apollo flights).

Really, the issue is, God has permitted us for the first time to be stewards of an intelligent system we can communicate with in our own language, that we manufactured - we must therefore use it in accordance with Christian ethical principles, which these people thought they were doing, but this is where I believe traditional Christianity (such as we practice in the Orthodox church) becomes important in helping to show people what speaking in tongues actually looks like and in helping to teach people about proper stewardship and eucharistic appreciation for what God has given us.
 
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