WWJD Did Jesus Pray to Mary?

David Lamb · 2025-07-07T04:10:18-0500

Just to save confusion, Post 980 is actually Valletta's, despite the fact that it begins: "David Lamb said...."

To answer Valletta's point, the Psalmist often addresses words to the sun, the moon, hail, snow, vapours. They cannot answer.

JulieB67 · 2025-07-07T06:00:13-0500

Valletta said:
so someone who is converting and intending to receive the sacraments could be considered a member of the Catholic Church.

Again, far removed from the early church. By the CC's standard of today no one would have been a member back then. It would be impossible to do that in a day. But thankfully it's God that adds to the church, not man. And as the Word states back then he added to it daily. He's the heart knower. And not everyone that hears that gospel immediately accepts it and of course some never accept it but only God can know who's truly sincere or not. Man cannot.

Valletta · 2025-07-07T14:20:17-0500

JulieB67 said:
Again, far removed from the early church. By the CC's standard of today no one would have been a member back then. It would be impossible to do that in a day. But thankfully it's God that adds to the church, not man. And as the Word states back then he added to it daily. He's the heart knower. And not everyone that hears that gospel immediately accepts it and of course some never accept it but only God can know who's truly sincere or not. Man cannot.

The Apostles and early martyrs are honored by today's Catholic Church, the Apostles and the names of other saints are stated in a Eucharist Prayer of the Catholic mass. They are examples for us all. It is ridiculous to even suggest that the standards of today would exclude them from the Catholic Church.

JulieB67 · 2025-07-08T03:48:02-0500

Valletta said:
It is ridiculous to even suggest that the standards of today would exclude them from the Catholic Church.

I'm talking about the fact that God added to the church daily, the same that should be saved. Is this the same church for you today? Is it possible to become a member in just one day for some? No. That's my point. It's not the same church today. God adds the church, not man.

Valletta · 2025-07-08T03:57:24-0500

David Lamb said:
Just to save confusion, Post 980 is actually Valletta's, despite the fact that it begins: "David Lamb said...."

To answer Valletta's point, the Psalmist often addresses words to the sun, the moon, hail, snow, vapours. They cannot answer.

Do you think Guardian Angels can hear or see us?

Exodus 23:20-21 “Behold, I send an angel before you, to guard you on the way and to bring you to the place which I have prepared. Give heed to him and hearken to his voice, do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgression; for my name is in him. RSVCE

prodromos · 2025-07-08T04:16:24-0500

JulieB67 said:
I'm talking about the fact that God added to the church daily, (immediately) the same that should be saved. Is this the same church for you today? Is it possible to become a member in just one day for some? No. That's my point. It's not the same church today. God adds the church, not man.

Those being added to the Church were pious Jews, those who were already devoted to God, many of whom had probably been prepared to receive Christ by having gone through the baptism of repentance through John the Forerunner;

"The voice of one crying in the wilderness: Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight."

David Lamb · 2025-07-08T07:41:04-0500

Valletta said:
Do you think Guardian Angels can hear or see us?

Exodus 23:20-21 “Behold, I send an angel before you, to guard you on the way and to bring you to the place which I have prepared. Give heed to him and hearken to his voice, do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgression; for my name is in him. RSVCE

I don't see the term "guardian angels" in the bible. The idea that each of us has one particular angel assigned to guard us seems to be something the bible doesn't mention. It does say that angels in general care for Christians. To do so, angels must either be able to see and hear us themselves, or to respond to God's directions, or both.

JulieB67 · 2025-07-08T08:02:38-0500

prodromos said:
Those being added to the Church were pious Jews, those who were already devoted to God, many of whom had probably been prepared to receive Christ by having gone through the baptism of repentance through John the Forerunner;

And yet while Peter was preaching to the Gentiles, they too received the gift of the Holy Spirit and were baptized. They had received the Word as well and believed. There was no process to it. That's my point. It might take awhile for some to accept the gospel but that's why it's God, not man that can add to the church. We are on his time, not an organization that can never truly know what's in someone's heart. And it's always been about hearing the Word and belief and faith in that Word. Once we believe we can enter into that rest -HIS church. It's not about a building or an organization, etc.

Acts 11:14 "Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved."

Acts 11:15 "And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning."

Acts 11:16 "Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that He said, 'John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.'

Acts 11:17 "Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as He did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

Peter is stating right there, it's not up to him, it's up to God.

Did any of the apostles preach that someone needed to go through OCIA/RCIA? Of course not. That's why it's impossible for this to still be the same church today and my point. Peter went to someone's house, shared the gospel, taught Christ crucified and immediately they received the Holy Spirit. Because they believed and received the Word. We know Paul taught the Gentiles and he didn't state anything about OCIA. He taught the gospel, the same as the rest.

Catechumenate: Usually over the course of a year or less, a catechumen or candidate takes this time to learn more about the Catholic faith and what it means for his or her life. The Rite of Acceptance into the Order of Catechumens and the Rite of Election take place during this stage.

And that's just one stage. Again, this is not the early church. If someone is meant to be added to the church, God will add them.

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jas3 · 2025-07-08T10:10:11-0500

JulieB67 said:
Peter went to someone's house, shared the gospel, taught Christ crucified and immediately they received the Holy Spirit. Because they believed and received the Word. We know Paul taught the Gentiles and he didn't state anything about OCIA.

Cornelius was "a devout man, and one that feared God with all his house" (Acts 10:2). He and his household had already been prepared.

A much better example for your case would be the Philippian jailer, but then we come to the problem that your whole premise is flawed: there are some extraordinary conversions that take place in the New Testament, but there's no reason we should ignore the much more common case of converts who had gone through preparation in favor of those extraordinary cases.

JulieB67 · 2025-07-08T11:25:40-0500

jas3 said:
but there's no reason we should ignore the much more common case of converts who had gone through preparation in favor of those extraordinary cases.

The point is if someone is ready and sincere, God will add them, not man. And there doesn't have to be stages that can possibly take years for some. Nowhere is that found in scripture.

BNR32FAN · 2025-07-08T11:28:36-0500

Jaxxi said:
If we are to model ourselves after Jesus Christ and imitate His life by doing what He did while He was alive, would praying to Mary be something we would do?

Mary wasn’t dead during Jesus’ ministry so why would anyone expect for Him to pray to her if she wasn’t dead?

BNR32FAN · 2025-07-08T11:31:11-0500

Hammster said:
Honor? Yes. Talk to? No.

Moses and Elijah were departed at His transfiguration and He spoke to them.

BNR32FAN · 2025-07-08T11:33:08-0500

Hammster said:
Because scripture doesn’t support that notion.

Scripture doesn’t support driving a pickup truck, but it also doesn’t forbid anyone from doing so.

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