Obama Judge Blocks Trump’s Big Beautiful Bill Provision Barring Medicaid Funding For Planned Parenthood

ozso said:

Lots of couples choose and succeed at being childless. My brother and his wife made that choice and have been married over 40 years. And he's never said anything about having gotten a vasectomy or her tubes being tied, or her ever getting an abortion, and that's not the sort thing he'd keep secret. So it can be done.

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Apparently they used some kind of BC. Condoms or Birth control or vasectomy, getting her tubes tied or something, that wasn't anyone's business. Of course they wouldn't tell people, since it's no body's business.

Just don't have sex doesn't really work if you get raped. There are statistics, but it's embarrassing if it happens, so there will always be a portion that will never be reported.

RileyG said:

What unplanned parenthood? Don't want to be pregnant? Don't have sex. Simple.

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Did you forget being a teenager?

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

Apparently they used some kind of BC. Condoms or Birth control or vasectomy, getting her tubes tied or something, that wasn't anyone's business. Of course they wouldn't tell people, since it's no body's business.

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Perhaps you don't have any siblings. Brothers tend to share quite a lot with each other. A guy will tell his brother stuff he wouldn't tell anyone else. As for regular birth control that's a given and my point. It works. I was very well aware that my older sister used birth control pills even back when I was little. She had one planned child. And ended up as a single never on welfare mother.

ozso said:

It's simpler when you're not irresponsible. Yes, I know not all single mothers are single mothers because they're irresponsible. But too many are. And plenty become welfare moms on purpose. They get to both enjoy being a mother and get everything for free. They exploit the system. My mom was a good person, but I think she also probably exploited the system. My best friend who was around my age and lived in the same apartment building also had a single mom. But his mom worked fulltime at a See's candy shop. As far as I know she never collected a dime of welfare and never used food stamps.

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Walk a mile in their shoes.

Saying it's just a matter of self-control and that they shouldn't have sex makes it easy for people to condemn them. Condemning them is making them "others." It makes a person condemning them feel smug and good about him or herself. It shows a lack of empathy.

"Yes! We must make sure these irresponsible teenagers who don't even have the common sense to use birth control ...




Raise children.

Kudos on the problem solving

Fantine said:

Walk a mile in their shoes.

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Being raised by a mother on welfare for 18 years give me a pretty good firsthand daily perspective of it.

ozso said:

Being raised by a mother on welfare my entire childhood give me a pretty good firsthand daily perspective of it.

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And your thoughts on the SNAP cuts now that you got yours?

Fantine said:

Saying it's just a matter of self-control and that they shouldn't have sex makes it easy for people to condemn them. Condemning them is making them "others." It makes a person condemning them feel smug and good about him or herself. It shows a lack of empathy.

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Actually St. Paul said it's a matter of self control. Empathy does not mean everything should be viewed as condonable or that everyone who's in a situation had or has no control over it. Some people are just plain reckless and foolish. Which the Book of Proverbs admonishes strongly against. Empathy has been turned into a euphemism for enabling.

If I had wanted to I probably could have bilked the dickens out of folks like you.

ozso said:

A democrat judge blocked the President. What a surprise.

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To be fair he didnt block the President. Thus wasn't an executive order but a bill created by Congress. This judge blocked a portion of it.

I actually dont understand how Planned Parenthood could sue the administration. This was an act of Congress. The administration is tasked with following Congressional mandates. So how can the administration be sued over this?

Say it aint so said:

Here's the thing, and kind of Texas's abstinence only, what's the back up plan? Plan Parenthood spends 97 percent of its funding on women's healthcare from cancer screening to contraception. Kill that funding and again, just like Texas's "what now" abstinence plan, there are ramifications and the proponents of killing funding just aren't good at the "now what" second step.

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The now what is: *shrug* don’t care. Haven’t you figured that out by now?

rambot said:

And your thoughts on the SNAP cuts now that you got yours?

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If my mom had gone to work every day like my friend's mom, we wouldn't have needed foodstamps. I qualified for food stamps myself after I turned 18 and probably for most if not my entire life. You know who I see using SNAP most often? Young (20s-30s) junkies buying sweets at 7-Eleven.

ozso said:

Being raised by a mother on welfare for 18 years give me a pretty good firsthand daily perspective of it.

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She got everything for free, you said? I'm sure it was a lot less than optimal.
There may have been many reasons why she, and other women in similar situations, were not able to work. Without a supportive extended family it is hard to make sure that several children are adequately cared for while the mom is working.
I am glad that while you were growing up there was government that was willing to step up and make sure you had the basics you needed as a family. I hope that today's children will have the same.

Fantine said:

She got everything for free, you said? I'm sure it was a lot less than optimal.
There may have been many reasons why she, and other women in similar situations, were not able to work. Without a supportive extended family it is hard to make sure that several children are adequately cared for while the mom is working.
I am glad that while you were growing up there was government that was willing to step up and make sure you had the basics you needed as a family. I hope that today's children will have the same.

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She never worked* and had no other income. So it was cash welfare, foodstamps and medicaid. And of course it was less than optimal. I know all of the reasons regarding my mom. There's a difference between really truely can not work, and can get by without working with government assistance. The latter is who will suffer from cuts. The "crippled mother on dialysis with 7 children being cut off" type claims are pure garbage. 100% pure political propaganda.

* After I turned 18 and moved out, she went to work at my brother-in-law's sandwich shop, proving she was perfectly capable of holding down a job.

I don't hold going the welfare route against her. But it was not her only option. It was just the easiest.

rjs330 said:

To be fair he didnt block the President. Thus wasn't an executive order but a bill created by Congress. This judge blocked a portion of it.

I actually dont understand how Planned Parenthood could sue the administration. This was an act of Congress. The administration is tasked with following Congressional mandates. So how can the administration be sued over this?

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I was mostly being sarcastic.

Vambram said:

One judge doesn't really have the authority to override Congressional law.

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Tell me you haven't read the constitution in a while without telling me you haven't read the constitution in a while.

You can skip right to Article III:

ozso said:

Welfare mothers are one of the biggest drains on SNAP and Medicaid.

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No kidding. Who do you think those benefits are intended for?

This is like saying sick people are one of the biggest drains on hospitals.

ozso said:

I was raised by a single unemployed parent on welfare. And after I turned 18 and left home, she went to work for my brother-in-law's company. Which indicated to me that she was able to work and earn a living during my childhood but chose not to.

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What switched when you left the house?

Fantine said:

Saying it's just a matter of self-control and that they shouldn't have sex makes it easy for people to condemn them. Condemning them is making them "others." It makes a person condemning them feel smug and good about him or herself. It shows a lack of empathy.

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As explanations or remedies that can be used at scale, self-control and free will are greatly overrated. The majority of people operate at the behest of whatever chemical mixtures are coursing through their brains at any given moment, oblivious to how significantly their life and behavior can be altered just by tweaking those levels.

For one example - I can find a host of people on this board who'll likely champion the notion of free will but who are absolutely horrible at policing their own media intake and, as a result, wind up constantly living in fear of some "other" and just generally more irritable and angry. They're not "exercising free will" and deciding to be fearful and angry; they're being manipulated into it. There may be some free will in their choosing what to consume, but there are likely a lot of other factors in that decision as well - for example, how much time do they have to consume media? What's available to them during those times? How much agency do they have in choosing which media to consume? What other content have they been made aware of? What content have the algorithms fed to them? How do their brains respond to different kinds of media? You ask them questions probing how they know what they think they know and they frequently can't even begin to answer those questions. They haven't rationalized themselves into those positions; they've been funneled into them.

For another example - I've recently started trying different medications to treat mild ADHD and it is absolutely wild how much of an effect even a small dose can have on my ability to focus on certain activities. It's not across the board, either - different kinds of activities and emotions are impacted in different, sometimes opposite ways. It's highlighted how some things I've wanted to change are legitimately compulsive, while others are behavioral, and some are in some fuzzy grey area in between. Some of these compulsions (mainly related to anxiety, if you're curious) are things have had significant impacts on my life in the past, including influencing large career decisions and despite living with them every single day for years, with a pill, they're just gone. I'm as self-aware as anybody; I thought I was free-willing myself into those decisions, but I wasn't. At least not entirely.

IMO "free will" is a lazy solution backed into by people who don't or can't understand complex problems, who don't like the idea of government interventions, who want to absolve society of responsibility for improving certain kinds of problems, and who like pointing the finger at people they perceive as less deserving.

Any medical provider should be available to patients for covered treatment.

rjs330 said:

To be fair he didnt block the President. Thus wasn't an executive order but a bill created by Congress. This judge blocked a portion of it.

I actually dont understand how Planned Parenthood could sue the administration. This was an act of Congress. The administration is tasked with following Congressional mandates. So how can the administration be sued over this?

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They're suing the administration because the administration is the entity that administers Medicaid.

iluvatar5150 said:

No kidding. Who do you think those benefits are intended for?

This is like saying sick people are one of the biggest drains on hospitals.

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Welfare mothers refers to those who play the system. A very intentional "%#@ working, I'm gonna get pregnant and collect welfare". Remember, me poor, me around people like that my whole life.

iluvatar5150 said:

What switched when you left the house?

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My mom moved to Long Beach where my sister and brother-in-law lived and where he ran a family business sandwich shop. I lived with her for about 3 months until she talked my 33 year old cousin into taking me in. He being a hardworking Christian conservative, got me on the path to employment and looking after myself.