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And it was for the Israelites.
WE??? He was speaking the those under the law, not we.
It was a command given, by God, to one nation, Israel. Read all of 1Jn 3 and then use it to promote your false Gospel.
Agreed, and applies to us all, which is why I don't try to talk over what Jesus says or add anything to His words, because He does not need our help.
Where did Jesus abrogate the Sabbath commandment? He made the Sabbath at Creation Exo 20:11, it was always part of His perfect will. He sanctified the Sabbath and blessed it and than wrote the 4th commandment along with His other eternal commandments with His own finger and than said Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, because He knew everyone would forget. God blessed the Sabbath and sanctified- once God blesses no man can reverse Num 23:20 so pray tell where He did so in clear language reverse His Sabbath blessing and abrogate this commandment. He instead said in His own voice the Sabbath will be kept by His faithful 40 years after He ratified His covenant, when He said it is finished- nothing can be changed after His death to His covenant. And promise the Sabbath continues for eternity for His saints Isa 66:23
He fulfilled it meaning to fill-full like a wedding covenant- does that mean we can commit adultery or fulfilling it means to keep the promise. Jesus kept it as our example to follow John 15:10 Luke 4:16 1 John 2:6
We are saved by grace through faith. Obeying God, the way God said is a fruit of our salvation and faith in Him and a consequence of our salvation Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14 not a means to it. No one who disobeys God without repenting and turning from is going to live according to what Jesus said. Heb 10:26-30 1 John 2:4 Mat 7:21-23 Rev 22:15
Jesus said when all is accomplished, never said when some things are and the next verse puts this in perspective for us, or at least should
The new covenant was never established on new/better laws. It was established on better promises Heb 8:6, it still has God's laws now written on a better surface, our hearts 2 Cor 3:3 Heb 8:10 no longer based on what we do, but based on what He does in us, if we do not harden our hearts to the deceitfulness of sin. Heb 3:13 as sin is still breaking God's laws in the NC 1 John 3:4 James 2:11-12 Rom 7:7 Mat 5:19-30
Amen! The veil of the earthy temple tore and no more animal sacrifices for sin as Jesus became our Passover Lamb for sins and we can go directly to Him now in the New Covenant one of the much better promises. And when we confess our sins, He says go and sin no more as we are to confess and forsake (turn from) our sins Pro 28:13 and live a new life in Him- did Jesus break the commandments and taught anyone to? No, He taught the opposite Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Mat 5:19-30 Mat 19:17-19 John 14:15 so its going to be hard to make the case in my humble opinion to say I beleive in you Jesus, but not what you taught or lived to be our example 2 Peter 2:21-23 1 John 2:6 Heb 4:15
Yes, Paul is talking about the curses that are written in the book of the Law, which is what was placed outside the Ten Commandments in the ark of the covenant Deut 31:24-31. Jesus did take away the curse for us, but not everyone accepts His free gift by following what He asks. He doesn't ask for much, but sadly that seems to be too much for most.If you want to live by the law then you will have to keep all of it. Good luck with that. Here is what Paul explains:
“For all who are of works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all the things written in the book of the Law, to do them.” Now, that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “the righteous one will live by faith.” However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, “The person who performs them will live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”— in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham would come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.”
Galatians 3:10-14 NASB2020
Galatians 3:10-14 For all who are of works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written: “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT ABIDE BY ALL THE THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, TO DO THEM.” Now, that no one is just | New American Standard Bible -
For all who are of works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written: “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT ABIDE BY ALL THE THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, TO DO THEM.” Now, that no one is justbible.com
16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
Lets bring in the context...
Wrong, it does not state that the weekly Sabbath started on the day God rested. That is a complete falsehood.
Where in the World did you come up with that?
Not us SB, it all pertained to Israel. God, according to historical facts, never asked any of the remainder of His children around the World to observe the Sabbath.. It was only given to Israel.
I can think of one big reason. Everyone who was given the requirement broke it. When an Israelite broke any one of the laws, they were condemned. I certainly couldn't keep the Sabbath according to Is58:13. Somehow I couldn't keep from having other thoughts, and according what came out of everyone else's mouth, they couldn't keep it either. We all just give lip service. Israel failed so why is it that you tell everyone to do something you are not able to do nor is it a requirement to do?
Your statement is so confusing. Yes, there is more than one Sabbath, and Paul named them in the verse. They were the feast days, and as best as I can remember, they were all called Sabbaths. Paul also said not to judge us for not celebrating the new moon. Then Paul went on to name another Sabbath not to be judged. As best as I can remember, the only other Sabbath mentioned in the laws of the Old Covenant was the weekly Sabbath. If this is wrong, then please inform me of another Sabbath.
Not everyone broke the Sabbath commandment. Where is that verse?
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
There is no commandment to keep the Sabbath in the new covenant. In fact the Sabbath is not commanded but it is a matter of spiritual freedom and we are not to judge any Christian regardless if they choose to keep it or not.
My brother ALL of the law has been fulfilled. If we are under any of the law then we are still in our sins and Jesus sacrifice was in vain. You say that we are saved by grace through faith but you forget that grace is absolutely free. No one can work to get what is already free. Paul spends almost 5 chapters in Romans contrasting walking under the law versus walking in the Spirit.
There's a lot out of context here but I do not believe sharing more context like reading a bit further in Rom 8:7-8 or the fact that there is no Scripture that says the Sabbath is not one of God's commandments in the NC, when it plainly says it is Luke 23:56 and shown keeping by every close follower of Jesus and He Himself keeping and showing how it is to be kept in the NC, who is our example.There is no commandment to keep the Sabbath in the new covenant. In fact the Sabbath is not commanded but it is a matter of spiritual freedom and we are not to judge any Christian regardless if they choose to keep it or not.
Paul teaches:
“Therefore, no one is to act as your judge in regard to food and drink, or in respect to a festival or a new moon, or a Sabbath day— things which are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.”
Colossians 2:16-17 NASB2020
Colossians 2:16-17 Therefore, no one is to act as your judge in regard to food and drink, or in respect to a festival or a new moon, or a Sabbath day— things which are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance | New American Standard Bible
Therefore, no one is to act as your judge in regard to food and drink, or in respect to a festival or a new moon, or a Sabbath day— things which are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substancebible.com
“One person values one day over another, another values every day the same. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.”
Romans 14:5 NASB2020
Romans 14:5 One person values one day over another, another values every day the same. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now
One person values one day over another, another values every day the same. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.bible.com
My brother ALL of the law has been fulfilled. If we are under any of the law then we are still in our sins and Jesus sacrifice was in vain. You say that we are saved by grace through faith but you forget that grace is absolutely free. No one can work to get what is already free. Paul spends almost 5 chapters in Romans contrasting walking under the law versus walking in the Spirit.
Paul explains justification which means that those who are unrighteous in themselves are nevertheless declared righteous before God while still in the sinning state. This happens by the grace of God through faith.
“So then, as through one offense the result was condemnation to all mankind, so also through one act of righteousness the result was justification of life to all mankind. For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous. The Law came in so that the offense would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, so that, as sin reigned in death, so also grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
Romans 5:18-21 NASB2020
Romans 5:18-21 So then, as through one offense the result was condemnation to all mankind, so also through one act of righteousness the result was justification of life to all mankind. For as through the one man’s d | New American Standard Bible - NA
So then, as through one offense the result was condemnation to all mankind, so also through one act of righteousness the result was justification of life to all mankind. For as through the one man’s dbible.com
The Paul explains sanctification which is the continual process by which God is actually making a person righteous. Sanctification is the deliverance from the power of sin and is a present and continuous process of believers becoming Christlike, accomplished by the Holy Spirit’s power and presence.
“But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were entrusted, and after being freed from sin, you became slaves to righteousness. I am speaking in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented the parts of your body as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness, resulting in further lawlessness, so now present your body’s parts as slaves to righteousness, resulting in sanctification.”
Romans 6:17-19 NASB2020
Romans 6:17-19 But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were entrusted, and after being freed from sin, you became slaves to r | New American Standard Bible - NA
But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were entrusted, and after being freed from sin, you became slaves to rbible.com
As you continue to read Paul’s words at the end of chapter 7. As Paul conflicting about trying to serve two masters with one of them being the law of sin. Notice the last sentence.
“I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. For I joyfully agree with the law of God in the inner person, but I see a different law in the parts of my body waging war against the law of my mind, and making me a prisoner of the law of sin, the law which is in my body’s parts. Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.”
Romans 7:21-25 NASB2020
Romans 7:21-25 I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. For I joyfully agree with the law of God in the inner person, but I see a different law in the parts of my body wagi | New American Standard Bible - NA
I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. For I joyfully agree with the law of God in the inner person, but I see a different law in the parts of my body wagibible.com
At the beginning of chapter 8 Paul then reaches and explains his conclusions. Notice the “therefore”. Also notice the first sentence. There is now NO condemnation for all of those IN Christ Jesus.
“Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who are in accord with the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are in accord with the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.”
Romans 8:1-5 NASB2020
Romans 8:1-5 Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law c | New American Standard Bible - NASB
Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law cbible.com
As believers we walk in the Spirit not in the law of the flesh. The Spirit now guides our lives and condemn us appropriately as we continue to live in a sinful body during our process of sanctification.
This is quite long and it addresses the rest of your post. Please do bring anything that I missed.
lol Nothing here is out of context. Paul’s teachings here are clear. I exhort you to live in the Spirit and not in the law of the flesh and do not judge Christians that do not keep the sabbath. Follow scripture.
In the New Covenant Heb 8:10 there is no Greek or Jew, just God's people grafted in by faith Gal 3:26-29 because God's people keep God's law (His version) through faith and love Rev 14:12 1 John 5:3 and this is the faith that reconciles us Rev 22:14. I personally wouldn't want to write myself out of God's Covenant Promise, but we all have free will.
All of God's laws were moral versus being immoral. That is not the point. Not all of the laws given to Israel dealt with morality. Some dealt with civil duty, some laws dealt with rituals, and some dealt wiith health.
I don't remember anyone saying Eph is teaching that. The law was full of rituals that pertained only to Israel. Jesus ended it so that Gentiles and Jews can live together in harmony.
What are the feasts of Jesus? I never heard that one. Do I detect that you are against Christmas and Easter both commerating Jesus?
Who is indicating that Eph is teaching anything derogatory to the Gospel?
Well, you got all that off your chest. It is evident you will not chage your mind that Jesus took away the commands that kept Jews and Gentiles apart, so I think we might as well part company on that issue.
by those who call themselves “the circumcision”
As it should have always been, but being God's chosen made them feel superior to the Gentiles. Israel broke the covenant God gave them and now every Jew comes to Jesus the same way we Gentiles do. There is no Sinai covenant today; all are under the New and Better covenant of Grace.
“For if that first covenant had been free of fault, no circumstances would have been sought for a second. For in finding fault with the people, He says, “Behold, days are coming, says the Lord, When I will bring about a new covenant With the house of Israel and the house of Judah, Not like the covenant which I made with their fathers On the day I took them by the hand To bring them out of the land of Egypt; For they did not continue in My covenant, And I did not care about them, says the Lord. “For this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel After those days, declares the Lord: I will put My laws into their minds, And write them on their hearts. And I will be their God, And they shall be My people. “And they will not teach, each one his fellow citizen, And each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ For they will all know Me, From the least to the greatest of them. “For I will be merciful toward their wrongdoings, And their sins I will no longer remember.” When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is about to disappear.”
Does man have free will to stop sinning?
Where is the verse that tells us they kept it perfectly? Had Israel kept the commands of the covenant, they would today be: 5 Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, 6 you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.” Ex 19
Yes, the Covenant was made to Israel. God never made a covenant with Gentiles. Israel just represents God’s people. In the NC Israel is no longer Israel of those who are born through heritage (flesh) Rom 9:6 now everyone who is part of God’s covenant promise is grafted in His covenant through faith Gal 3:26-29 And His covenant has God’s laws Heb 8:10- His version not what man has reduced it to when God promised He would not Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18“For if that first covenant had been free of fault, no circumstances would have been sought for a second. For in finding fault with the people, He says, “Behold, days are coming, says the Lord, When I will bring about a new covenant With the house of Israel and the house of Judah, Not like the covenant which I made with their fathers On the day I took them by the hand To bring them out of the land of Egypt; For they did not continue in My covenant, And I did not care about them, says the Lord. “For this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel After those days, declares the Lord: I will put My laws into their minds, And write them on their hearts. And I will be their God, And they shall be My people. “And they will not teach, each one his fellow citizen, And each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ For they will all know Me, From the least to the greatest of them. “For I will be merciful toward their wrongdoings, And their sins I will no longer remember.” When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is about to disappear.”
Hebrews 8:7-13 NASB2020
Hebrews 8:8 For in finding fault with the people, He says, “BEHOLD, DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL BRING ABOUT A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND THE HOUSE OF JUDAH | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The
For in finding fault with the people, He says, “BEHOLD, DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL BRING ABOUT A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND THE HOUSE OF JUDAHbible.com
““Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers on the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord. “For this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord: “I will put My law within them and write it on their heart; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. They will not teach again, each one his neighbor and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the Lord, “for I will forgive their wrongdoing, and their sin I will no longer remember.””
Jeremiah 31:31-34 NASB2020
Jeremiah 31:31-34 “Behold, days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers on the day I took | New American Standard Bible -
“Behold, days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers on the day I tookbible.com
Look familiar? Once again Paul explains the role of Israel when the gentiles are grafted into the tree. Israel will continue in the law while the gentiles will walk in the Spirit. The New Covenant is specific to both, those that believe in Christ and the remnant of Israel which remain in the law but God will eventually save.
Does man have free will to stop sinning?
And yet He has a people who overcame
Was Abraham saved because of his perfect works or by God's grace because of Abraham's faith? No one has ever been saved because they "overcame" sin. All have been saved because they believed and were saved by their faith.
Not because they pulled themselves up by their own bootstraps.
I know you have been approached many times as to what God's commands consist. Which ones are we responsible for keeping? Why are you interpreting verse 17 as being only a remnant? If keeping God's commands is the ticket to eternal life, then all the prepared mansions will be empty.
No one is saved by keeping God's laws- keeping God's laws is a consequence of our salvation, not a means to it.
