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In Galatians 2:19 Paul states that He is dead to the Law in context to the topic of circumcision and new converts not having to be circumcised anymore physically. Circumcision is of the Book of the Law. There is a spiritual circumcision made without hands. But what we are speaking of is physically keeping the Law.
The death to the Law Paul mentions in verse 2:19 is said in context to Paul being dead and Living spiritually through Christ living in Him and Christ's faith being manifested.
In respect to Christ now living vicariously through and with Paul, Paul continues to say if righteousness is of the Law and not of this faith, then Christ died for nothing.
A distinction is made which is missed by most and is extremely important in relation to what we speak. It is said In context to Christ living in and through us and us not having to be circumcised anymore which is of the Law. If while we are in this state we are found to be sinners, is Christ the minister of sin, since He is living in and through us? God forbid Paul continues, if we build again the things we destroyed we make ourselves transgressors!
In this we see at least two things that need to be noted. For one sin is still sin. And as Paul states in Rom.3 and 7, we would not know sin but by the Law, for by the Law is the knowledge of sin. And the secondly, circumcision is not part of this sin to which we can be found in. This work of the Law has been and is being fulfilled in us through Christ and the physical work of this Law is not needed. There has been a change in the Book of Law in respect to how it is manifested. Christ now lives vicariously through through and with us and we have been circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in the putting of the body of sin. For we who have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Know you not that we who have been baptized into Christ have been baptized into His death and are risen with Him that the Body of sin be destroyed, That henceforth we do not serve sin. For He that is dead is dead to sin is therefore freed from sin and alive unto God through Christ.

That brings us to another note worthy of our attention. Through the Faith OF Christ We are dead to sin and we are dead to the Law as Galatians and Romans puts forth. How so? The old man, the Body of sin has been destroyed. It is no longer I, but Christ Jesus. And the Life we now live in the flesh we live by the Faith OF the Son of God who Gave Himself for Us. So sin is to be out of the equation for us who are in Christ and He in us that the world might believe. Paul is showing us we do not live by the Book of the Law any more but by Christ and His Spirit. So He, we are dead to the Law. Manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ, Written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward. Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency [is] of God; Who also hath made us able ministers of the New Testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

This is brought even clearer to us to verses 2-5 in chapter 3 in Galatians where we see the Spirit is mentioned in respect to the hearing of faith. If we are now dead but alive and it is Christ living in us and we now live by the Faith OF the Son of God who gave Himself for us we have His Spirit and have begun in the Spirit and are hearing the Faith that we are now living by that is OF Christ. We are not made perfect by the flesh, justified by the works of the Law but by listening to the Spirit, hearkening unto the hearing of the Faith of Christ.

This hearing of faith, hearkening unto the Spirit of Christ is said in Context to verse 6. Where it states as a direct comparison, EVEN AS, JUST AS Abraham believed God.

Abraham heard God and believed and acted. So we of the Faith of Christ Hear God believe and Act. We as He have the hearing of Faith. Not because of the Law, but because of Christ, His Spirit, Faith in us. Being dead, but alive in and through Christ We do because of who we are in Christ not because of the Book of the Law, and external source. But because of the changed heart through Christ. We are a new creature. All is new and of God. His Word is in our heart that we do it. That is the word of Faith in which we preach. As God has said. He will put His Law in our hearts and iin our minds. And our sins and iniquities will no longer be brought to His remembrance.

Now one might of forgot that physical circumcision is no longer a requirement and by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified as chapter 2 plainly stated. And say if the Law, His Word is in our hearts we will keep God's Holy days and if we do not we are sinning. That is a problem. Circumcision and All the holy days accept the Sabbath of Creation were instituted because of the fall in the Garden of Eden. Every last one of them. And every last one of them Paul states He is dead to in chapter 2 when he states he is dead to the Law and not Justified by doing it. Mind you sin still exists (prayerfully not in us) and is defined by the Law. But as was stated by Paul, circumcision is not one of those laws that defines sin. Therefore we do not have to do it. And as we progress here we will see that the days months, times and years are indeed those written in the Book of the Law instituted after and because of the Fall in the Garden of Eden. and Are also of the works of the Law in which we do not have to do, because they justified no one.

As chapter 3 stated, We are not made perfect by the works of the Law, For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. This works of the Law is being said in respect to verse 2:16 where Paul had said that we know that we are not Justified by the works of the Law if not through faith of Jesus. To be of the Law, the Book of the Law that Paul stated that he was dead to meant that you did the works of it to be justified. The Law has made no one righteous, not one. For all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God. Through the Law, the Book of the Law is the knowledge of sin. Therefore it was our schoolmaster, tutor to bring us UNTO Christ, the Heir according to the promise. We are now the children of Abraham partakers of the promised blessedness through Christ. For we who have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, male nor female, bond or freeman. We Are All One in Christ and of Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise.

There is neither Jew nor Gentile. This takes us spiritually back to the time of Abraham before Sinai and the giving of the Law. We are to walk with God through believing Him, hearing the faith and hearkening unto it through Christ. Christ, The promised land, flowing with milk and honey, through the veil, that is to say Christ's flesh. Mind you we do not make the void the Law which gives us the knowledge of sin through Faith. Neigh in no way! For through Christ the Word is in our hearts. We are changed and walk with God through faith and We establish the law. We are a new creature. Be a doer of the word in your heart and not a hearer only deceiving your own selves. Look into the reflection. Do not forget what manner of man we now are in Christ. Sons of God with the Spirit, Faith of His Son crying in our hearts, Abba, Father. Redeemed from under the Law, the elements, first principles of this world. How can we Turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, first principles? Whereunto ye desire AGAIN to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? One Abraham had two sons, one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. But he [who was] of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman [was] by promise. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. Brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free. Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage, that of Sinia. Be led of the Spirit, and not under the law, bondage of Sinai. Walk in the faith of Abraham, Christ Jesus with God. Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. Let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

Glory in the Lord and in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto us, and we unto the world. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. Behold all is new and of God. He is faithful and will not suffer us to be tempted above that we are able to bear. He has given us all things that pertain to life and godliness. He in us, us in Him that the world might believe. Amen
 
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In Galatians 2:19 Paul states that He is dead to the Law
Paul had Timothy circumcised in Acts 16 right after the Acts 15 council saying gentiles do not have to be circumcised (a Law not in OT or NT -- rather tradition invented by some Christian Jews).

Gal 2:20 "I am crucified with Christ"

Rom 6:
What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; 7 for he who has died is freed from sin.


8 Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.


12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts,
 
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Paul had Timothy circumcised in Acts 16 right after the Acts 15 council saying gentiles do not have to be circumcised (a Law not in OT or NT -- rather tradition invented by some Christian Jews).
Exod 12:44 And every domestic servant, any which [was] bought with silver, you shall circumcise him. And then he shall eat of it.
48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof

Num 15:16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.


Lev 12:3 And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.
 
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Exod 12:44 And every domestic servant, any which [was] bought with silver, you shall circumcise him. And then he shall eat of it.
48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof

Num 15:16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.


Lev 12:3 And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.

Only applies to Passover . But gentiles were not required to celebrate Passover in order to be saved. That Acts 15 made-up-rule that unless gentiles were circumcised they could not be saved - was not even a practice in the Jewish synagogues of the first century.

Gentiles were not required in OT or NT to celebrate Passover and only were circumcised if they wanted to partake of Passover.

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43 The Lord said to Moses and Aaron, “This is the ordinance of the Passover: no foreigner is to eat of it; 44 but every man’s slave purchased with money, after you have circumcised him, then he may eat of it. 45 A sojourner or a hired servant shall not eat of it. 46 It is to be eaten in a single house; you are not to bring forth any of the flesh outside of the house, nor are you to break any bone of it. 47 All the congregation of Israel are to celebrate this. 48 But if a stranger sojourns with you, and celebrates the Passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near to celebrate it; and he shall be like a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person may eat of it
 
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Only applies to Passover . But gentiles were not required to celebrate Passover in order to be saved. That Acts 15 made-up-rule that unless gentiles were circumcised they could not be saved - was not even a practice in the Jewish synagogues of the first century.

Gentiles were not required in OT or NT to celebrate Passover and only were circumcised if they wanted to partake of Passover.

EX 12:
43 The Lord said to Moses and Aaron, “This is the ordinance of the Passover: no foreigner is to eat of it; 44 but every man’s slave purchased with money, after you have circumcised him, then he may eat of it. 45 A sojourner or a hired servant shall not eat of it. 46 It is to be eaten in a single house; you are not to bring forth any of the flesh outside of the house, nor are you to break any bone of it. 47 All the congregation of Israel are to celebrate this. 48 But if a stranger sojourns with you, and celebrates the Passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near to celebrate it; and he shall be like a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person may eat of it
That is your interpretation
 
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Mind you we do not make the void the Law which gives us the knowledge of sin through Faith. Neigh in no way! For through Christ the Word is in our hearts. We are changed and walk with God through faith and We establish the law. We are a new creature. Be a doer of the word in your heart and not a hearer only deceiving your own selves. Look into the reflection. Do not forget what manner of man we now are in Christ. Sons of God with the Spirit, Faith of His Son crying in our hearts, Abba, Father. Redeemed from under the Law, the elements, first principles of this world.
Though I did not read everything you wrote, it does seem that your concept of being dead to the law includes a healthy dose of being alive to the law. So it is quite a confusing message.
 
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Though I did not read everything you wrote, it does seem that your concept of being dead to the law includes a healthy dose of being alive to the law. So it is quite a confusing message.
Why comment if you have not read it?


And no that is not what is put forth.
 
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In Galatians 2:19 Paul states that He is dead to the Law in context to the topic of circumcision and new converts not having to be circumcised anymore physically. Circumcision is of the Book of the Law. There is a spiritual circumcision made without hands. But what we are speaking of is physically keeping the Law.
Saying that being dead to the law is in the context of circumcision not being required any more is too narrow. Certainly Paul mentions circumcision a bunch of times in Galatians, but circumcision is not all he talks about in regard to not being under the law. For example, He specifically referrs to the 10 commandments as being part of "the law" that we are not under (Ga 3:15-25). As another example, He refers to the curse of the law for not obeying all of it entirely and the deliverance from it that Christ wrought (Ga 3:10-14). As another example, he sais in Galatians 3:12 that the person who fulfills the requirements of the law have life because of that. Circumcision never had that power. This is why I say that being dead to the law can not be just about circumcision.

To my SDA friends, please respond without changing "the law" to mean 10 different things depending on context in order to support your focus on keeping the law.
The death to the Law Paul mentions in verse 2:19 is said in context to Paul being dead and Living spiritually through Christ living in Him and Christ's faith being manifested.
I agree with this.
In respect to Christ now living vicariously through and with Paul, Paul continues to say if righteousness is of the Law and not of this faith, then Christ died for nothing.
We need to discuss what you mean by Christ living through us vicariously, but I agree with the second half of the sentence.
A distinction is made which is missed by most and is extremely important in relation to what we speak. It is said In context to Christ living in and through us and us not having to be circumcised anymore which is of the Law. If while we are in this state we are found to be sinners, is Christ the minister of sin, since He is living in and through us? God forbid Paul continues, if we build again the things we destroyed we make ourselves transgressors!
In this we see at least two things that need to be noted. For one sin is still sin. And as Paul states in Rom.3 and 7, we would not know sin but by the Law, for by the Law is the knowledge of sin. And the secondly, circumcision is not part of this sin to which we can be found in. This work of the Law has been and is being fulfilled in us through Christ and the physical work of this Law is not needed. There has been a change in the Book of Law in respect to how it is manifested. Christ now lives vicariously through through and with us and we have been circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in the putting of the body of sin. For we who have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Know you not that we who have been baptized into Christ have been baptized into His death and are risen with Him that the Body of sin be destroyed, That henceforth we do not serve sin. For He that is dead is dead to sin is therefore freed from sin and alive unto God through Christ.
I don't think I understand your two points. I think your first point is that we don't need the law to point out our sins because the Holy Spirit does that? And your second point relates to the true righteousness and holiness of the new man (Eph 4:24)?
That brings us to another note worthy of our attention. Through the Faith OF Christ We are dead to sin and we are dead to the Law as Galatians and Romans puts forth. How so? The old man, the Body of sin has been destroyed. It is no longer I, but Christ Jesus. And the Life we now live in the flesh we live by the Faith OF the Son of God who Gave Himself for Us. So sin is to be out of the equation for us who are in Christ and He in us that the world might believe. Paul is showing us we do not live by the Book of the Law any more but by Christ and His Spirit. So He, we are dead to the Law. Manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ, Written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward. Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency [is] of God; Who also hath made us able ministers of the New Testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
I see some truisms here, but I don't see the connection you are trying to make between being "dead to sin" and "dead to the law". I know what I believe about the connection, but it seems like you ar saying something different than what I would say.
This is brought even clearer to us to verses 2-5 in chapter 3 in Galatians where we see the Spirit is mentioned in respect to the hearing of faith. If we are now dead but alive and it is Christ living in us and we now live by the Faith OF the Son of God who gave Himself for us we have His Spirit and have begun in the Spirit and are hearing the Faith that we are now living by that is OF Christ. We are not made perfect by the flesh, justified by the works of the Law but by listening to the Spirit, hearkening unto the hearing of the Faith of Christ.

This hearing of faith, hearkening unto the Spirit of Christ is said in Context to verse 6. Where it states as a direct comparison, EVEN AS, JUST AS Abraham believed God.

Abraham heard God and believed and acted. So we of the Faith of Christ Hear God believe and Act. We as He have the hearing of Faith. Not because of the Law, but because of Christ, His Spirit, Faith in us. Being dead, but alive in and through Christ We do because of who we are in Christ not because of the Book of the Law, and external source. But because of the changed heart through Christ. We are a new creature. All is new and of God. His Word is in our heart that we do it. That is the word of Faith in which we preach. As God has said. He will put His Law in our hearts and iin our minds. And our sins and iniquities will no longer be brought to His remembrance.
I agree with this being the case for the new man. As I mentioned before, the new man was "created according to God, true righteousness and holiness" (Eph 4:24). This is ncontrast with the old man, which "grows corrupt" (Eph 4:22). Speaking of the true righteousness and holiness of the new man can be confusing to people because they can easily misunderstand and attribute his righteousness and holiness to the flesh and think we are talking about sinless perfection. This is where things get tricky. We are dead to the law because the misdeeds of the flesh are not held against us, though it still exists. And we are able to serve Him in the newness of the Spirit becuase our counsciences are cleared by His sacrifice.
Now one might of forgot that physical circumcision is no longer a requirement and by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified as chapter 2 plainly stated. And say if the Law, His Word is in our hearts we will keep God's Holy days and if we do not we are sinning. That is a problem. Circumcision and All the holy days accept the Sabbath of Creation were instituted because of the fall in the Garden of Eden. Every last one of them. And every last one of them Paul states He is dead to in chapter 2 when he states he is dead to the Law and not Justified by doing it. Mind you sin still exists (prayerfully not in us) and is defined by the Law. But as was stated by Paul, circumcision is not one of those laws that defines sin. Therefore we do not have to do it. And as we progress here we will see that the days months, times and years are indeed those written in the Book of the Law instituted after and because of the Fall in the Garden of Eden. and Are also of the works of the Law in which we do not have to do, because they justified no one.
I think I agree with this as far as it goes?
As chapter 3 stated, We are not made perfect by the works of the Law, For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. This works of the Law is being said in respect to verse 2:16 where Paul had said that we know that we are not Justified by the works of the Law if not through faith of Jesus. To be of the Law, the Book of the Law that Paul stated that he was dead to meant that you did the works of it to be justified. The Law has made no one righteous, not one. For all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God. Through the Law, the Book of the Law is the knowledge of sin. Therefore it was our schoolmaster, tutor to bring us UNTO Christ, the Heir according to the promise. We are now the children of Abraham partakers of the promised blessedness through Christ. For we who have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, male nor female, bond or freeman. We Are All One in Christ and of Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise.

There is neither Jew nor Gentile. This takes us spiritually back to the time of Abraham before Sinai and the giving of the Law. We are to walk with God through believing Him, hearing the faith and hearkening unto it through Christ. Christ, The promised land, flowing with milk and honey, through the veil, that is to say Christ's flesh. Mind you we do not make the void the Law which gives us the knowledge of sin through Faith. Neigh in no way! For through Christ the Word is in our hearts. We are changed and walk with God through faith and We establish the law. We are a new creature. Be a doer of the word in your heart and not a hearer only deceiving your own selves. Look into the reflection. Do not forget what manner of man we now are in Christ. Sons of God with the Spirit, Faith of His Son crying in our hearts, Abba, Father. Redeemed from under the Law, the elements, first principles of this world. How can we Turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, first principles? Whereunto ye desire AGAIN to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? One Abraham had two sons, one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. But he [who was] of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman [was] by promise. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. Brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free. Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage, that of Sinia. Be led of the Spirit, and not under the law, bondage of Sinai. Walk in the faith of Abraham, Christ Jesus with God. Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. Let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

Glory in the Lord and in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto us, and we unto the world. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. Behold all is new and of God. He is faithful and will not suffer us to be tempted above that we are able to bear. He has given us all things that pertain to life and godliness. He in us, us in Him that the world might believe. Amen
I don't know what to say. There are a lot of concepts in here that I agree with. But it is long and my time is short. Maybe we can take up some points seperately later and try to reach some common understanding.
 
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In Galatians 2:19 Paul states that He is dead to the Law in context to the topic of circumcision and new converts not having to be circumcised anymore physically. Circumcision is of the Book of the Law. There is a spiritual circumcision made without hands. But what we are speaking of is physically keeping the Law.
The death to the Law Paul mentions in verse 2:19 is said in context to Paul being dead and Living spiritually through Christ living in Him and Christ's faith being manifested.
In respect to Christ now living vicariously through and with Paul, Paul continues to say if righteousness is of the Law and not of this faith, then Christ died for nothing.
A distinction is made which is missed by most and is extremely important in relation to what we speak. It is said In context to Christ living in and through us and us not having to be circumcised anymore which is of the Law. If while we are in this state we are found to be sinners, is Christ the minister of sin, since He is living in and through us? God forbid Paul continues, if we build again the things we destroyed we make ourselves transgressors!
In this we see at least two things that need to be noted. For one sin is still sin. And as Paul states in Rom.3 and 7, we would not know sin but by the Law, for by the Law is the knowledge of sin. And the secondly, circumcision is not part of this sin to which we can be found in. This work of the Law has been and is being fulfilled in us through Christ and the physical work of this Law is not needed. There has been a change in the Book of Law in respect to how it is manifested. Christ now lives vicariously through through and with us and we have been circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in the putting of the body of sin. For we who have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Know you not that we who have been baptized into Christ have been baptized into His death and are risen with Him that the Body of sin be destroyed, That henceforth we do not serve sin. For He that is dead is dead to sin is therefore freed from sin and alive unto God through Christ.

That brings us to another note worthy of our attention. Through the Faith OF Christ We are dead to sin and we are dead to the Law as Galatians and Romans puts forth. How so? The old man, the Body of sin has been destroyed. It is no longer I, but Christ Jesus. And the Life we now live in the flesh we live by the Faith OF the Son of God who Gave Himself for Us. So sin is to be out of the equation for us who are in Christ and He in us that the world might believe. Paul is showing us we do not live by the Book of the Law any more but by Christ and His Spirit. So He, we are dead to the Law. Manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ, Written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward. Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency [is] of God; Who also hath made us able ministers of the New Testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

This is brought even clearer to us to verses 2-5 in chapter 3 in Galatians where we see the Spirit is mentioned in respect to the hearing of faith. If we are now dead but alive and it is Christ living in us and we now live by the Faith OF the Son of God who gave Himself for us we have His Spirit and have begun in the Spirit and are hearing the Faith that we are now living by that is OF Christ. We are not made perfect by the flesh, justified by the works of the Law but by listening to the Spirit, hearkening unto the hearing of the Faith of Christ.

This hearing of faith, hearkening unto the Spirit of Christ is said in Context to verse 6. Where it states as a direct comparison, EVEN AS, JUST AS Abraham believed God.

Abraham heard God and believed and acted. So we of the Faith of Christ Hear God believe and Act. We as He have the hearing of Faith. Not because of the Law, but because of Christ, His Spirit, Faith in us. Being dead, but alive in and through Christ We do because of who we are in Christ not because of the Book of the Law, and external source. But because of the changed heart through Christ. We are a new creature. All is new and of God. His Word is in our heart that we do it. That is the word of Faith in which we preach. As God has said. He will put His Law in our hearts and iin our minds. And our sins and iniquities will no longer be brought to His remembrance.

Now one might of forgot that physical circumcision is no longer a requirement and by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified as chapter 2 plainly stated. And say if the Law, His Word is in our hearts we will keep God's Holy days and if we do not we are sinning. That is a problem. Circumcision and All the holy days accept the Sabbath of Creation were instituted because of the fall in the Garden of Eden. Every last one of them. And every last one of them Paul states He is dead to in chapter 2 when he states he is dead to the Law and not Justified by doing it. Mind you sin still exists (prayerfully not in us) and is defined by the Law. But as was stated by Paul, circumcision is not one of those laws that defines sin. Therefore we do not have to do it. And as we progress here we will see that the days months, times and years are indeed those written in the Book of the Law instituted after and because of the Fall in the Garden of Eden. and Are also of the works of the Law in which we do not have to do, because they justified no one.

As chapter 3 stated, We are not made perfect by the works of the Law, For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. This works of the Law is being said in respect to verse 2:16 where Paul had said that we know that we are not Justified by the works of the Law if not through faith of Jesus. To be of the Law, the Book of the Law that Paul stated that he was dead to meant that you did the works of it to be justified. The Law has made no one righteous, not one. For all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God. Through the Law, the Book of the Law is the knowledge of sin. Therefore it was our schoolmaster, tutor to bring us UNTO Christ, the Heir according to the promise. We are now the children of Abraham partakers of the promised blessedness through Christ. For we who have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, male nor female, bond or freeman. We Are All One in Christ and of Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise.

There is neither Jew nor Gentile. This takes us spiritually back to the time of Abraham before Sinai and the giving of the Law. We are to walk with God through believing Him, hearing the faith and hearkening unto it through Christ. Christ, The promised land, flowing with milk and honey, through the veil, that is to say Christ's flesh. Mind you we do not make the void the Law which gives us the knowledge of sin through Faith. Neigh in no way! For through Christ the Word is in our hearts. We are changed and walk with God through faith and We establish the law. We are a new creature. Be a doer of the word in your heart and not a hearer only deceiving your own selves. Look into the reflection. Do not forget what manner of man we now are in Christ. Sons of God with the Spirit, Faith of His Son crying in our hearts, Abba, Father. Redeemed from under the Law, the elements, first principles of this world. How can we Turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, first principles? Whereunto ye desire AGAIN to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? One Abraham had two sons, one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. But he [who was] of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman [was] by promise. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. Brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free. Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage, that of Sinia. Be led of the Spirit, and not under the law, bondage of Sinai. Walk in the faith of Abraham, Christ Jesus with God. Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. Let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

Glory in the Lord and in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto us, and we unto the world. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. Behold all is new and of God. He is faithful and will not suffer us to be tempted above that we are able to bear. He has given us all things that pertain to life and godliness. He in us, us in Him that the world might believe. Amen
The sin/evil thoughts of no one escapes condemnation, wrath and the eventual death of the flesh under the law, which is the general point.

Not that the law is ever made invalid, as that is simply not the case

The law remains valid against all lawlessness and evil, period. And we should be thankful that's the way God Is, I might think. Even if the conclusion remains detrimental to me and everyone else.

We can very well UPHOLD the law and have it be against us, happily!
 
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No Galatians does not say that.
Not in so many words. But Romans comes very close...

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. (Ro 8:2)​

We have been set free from having to pay the wages of sin (which is eternal death) because by the Spirit we have received new life in Christ Jesus. This is the good news of the gospel, and we should all be able to rejoice in that. Amen?
 
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Not in so many words. But Romans comes very close...

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. (Ro 8:2)​

We have been set free from having to pay the wages of sin (which is eternal death) because by the Spirit we have received new life in Christ Jesus. This is the good news of the gospel, and we should all be able to rejoice in that. Amen?
The wages of sin is death. Nowhere does it say eternal death.

Throwing a blanket over our sin, as if God is a double dealer with our sins compared to other people's doesn't compute either.

Romans 2:
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

And we all "do evil." Mark 7:21-23, even after salvation.

The entire dynamic of these statements change when we realize that sin is in fact "of the devil," 1 John 3:8, Mark 4:15

NOW there is another entity class involved that is not the people. "They" are never forgiven for "our" sins.
 
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Not in so many words. But Romans comes very close...

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. (Ro 8:2)​

We have been set free from having to pay the wages of sin (which is eternal death) because by the Spirit we have received new life in Christ Jesus. This is the good news of the gospel, and we should all be able to rejoice in that. Amen?
That is not what Roman’s speaks. What is the law of sin and death according to chapter 7? Is it the other law in which Paul speaks in verse 23?

Romans 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Romans 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Romans 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Romans 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Romans 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Romans 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
 
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The wages of sin is death. Nowhere does it say eternal death.

Throwing a blanket over our sin, as if God is a double dealer with our sins compared to other people's doesn't compute either.

Romans 2:
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

And we all "do evil." Mark 7:21-23, even after salvation.

The entire dynamic of these statements change when we realize that sin is in fact "of the devil," 1 John 3:8, Mark 4:15

NOW there is another entity class involved that is not the people. "They" are never forgiven for "our" sins.
I have no idea what you're trying to say.
 
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That is not what Roman’s speaks. What is the law of sin and death according to chapter 7? Is it the other law in which Paul speaks in verse 23?

Romans 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Romans 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Romans 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Romans 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Romans 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Romans 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
No, I got it right.
 
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No, I got it right.
You are right about the death part. However, The Law of Sin is our slavery to Sin. That is what those who are in Christ Jesus have been set free from. Read the following with that in mind. If you still don't see, we will show you.

Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Romans 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Romans 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Romans 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Romans 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Romans 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Romans 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.


Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
 
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-his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
And we'd be wise to do likewise, starting with ourselves.

-but with the flesh I serve the law of sin. Romans 3:25, part
 
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Short version: Love your neighbors as yourself

Hope it's not over your head or beneath you
I have re-read your post below many times now. If I read it from what I think is a Universalist's point of view (i.e., taking away eternal death and removing descrimination between the lost and the saved), it makes more sense. But the last sentence is still confusing. What is an "entity class"? And what makes sense of thinking other people must pay for our sins?
The wages of sin is death. Nowhere does it say eternal death.

Throwing a blanket over our sin, as if God is a double dealer with our sins compared to other people's doesn't compute either.

Romans 2:
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

And we all "do evil." Mark 7:21-23, even after salvation.

The entire dynamic of these statements change when we realize that sin is in fact "of the devil," 1 John 3:8, Mark 4:15

NOW there is another entity class involved that is not the people. "They" are never forgiven for "our" sins.
 
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