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What are your thoughts on this and can anybody explain it to me please? I don't remember hearing about this in the baptist churches I have been to and I think it is very important. There has to be more to it right?

This is Pagan theology. Also, there is a big difference between "sun" and "son".
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What are your thoughts on this and can anybody explain it to me please? I don't remember hearing about this in the baptist churches I have been to and I think it is very important. There has to be more to it right?


Okay. I had to stop before the end. In short, it's all made up. All the accounts of Horus are fabrications. It's just that simple.

But one of the dead giveaways is that the "God's sun" part as it relates to Jesus being "God's son" only works in the English language. The bible is written in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic and none of the words are even close. Suffice to say that the creators of the video would have you believe that "God's sun" and "theos yhios" or "YHVH ben" sound the same. Don't go believing everything you see on the internet. You were right to come ask about it.
 
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Hi @OnlyCurious

What are your thoughts on this and can anybody explain it to me please? I don't remember hearing about this in the baptist churches I have been to and I think it is very important. There has to be more to it right?


I would agree with what others have responded. This can only be supported in the English language as far as 'sun' being understood as 'son'. In Spanish the sun is 'sol'. Son, as a child or relative, is 'hijo'. Not a lot of similarity in that, eh? In French, son is 'soleil'. Son is 'fils'. In German the two words are much alike. In Italian, sun is 'sole'. Son is 'figlio'.

One thing that, as a born again believer we should all be aware of, is that Satan really does try hard to counterfeit faith in the one true and living God. It's how he gets us to doubt what God has told us. So, if he can convince you that the faith that is described for us in the Scriptures is just some mishmash of mixed myths and stories of ancient accounts, then he's pretty much done his work as the father of all lies.

Listen, the Scriptures are true. You can look into all sorts of different explanations from the world as to why they aren't, but once one is born again, then it becomes the job of the Holy Spirit, which Jesus told us, would guide us into all truth. Don't be confused by fake truths masquerading as 'the' truth.

And yes there is more to it than that. The 'sun' only allows us to have life in this life. The 'Son' allows us to have life eternal with him, if we trust and believe what he has told us.

God bless,
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What are your thoughts on this and can anybody explain it to me please? I don't remember hearing about this in the baptist churches I have been to and I think it is very important. There has to be more to it right?

There is a scripture reference to a "sun of righteousness." However, as a "baptist" you know better than to form a whole doctrine on one scripture verse.

Furthermore, the zodiac illustrates a worldly order, Jesus is contrary to the World. So if you added up all the pagan archetypes into one "world" type, Jesus would be in the order opposing that whole thing.

So even if Jesus Christ is the sun of righteousness, and son of God, the spiritual alignment and linguistic issues brought up in previous posts illustrate that this is not a Christian theology.
 
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Some publication (Time or National Geographic) or tv channel (usually the History Channel) comes out with a new theory about Jesus every Lent. They don't do it to boost anybody's faith in Jesus Christ; they do it to confuse people who are curious or learning about Jesus. They don't want Christians to be unified because when we are unified and do things in Jesus' name nothing can hold us back from accomplishing God's will on Earth.

Just add this story to the Jesus' wife story, Jesus is Horus story, Jesus is Zarathushtra story, or Jesus' tomb was found WITH HIM IN IT (oh my) story. Garbage and not true.
 
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"Conceived by a virgin mother named Meri, and had a stepfather named Seb (Joseph). Was born in a cave, his birth announced by an angel, heralded by a star and attended by shepherds. Attended a special rite of passage at the age of twelve and there is no data on the child from the age of 12 to 30. Was baptized in a river at the age of 30, and his baptizer was later beheaded. Had 12 disciples, performed miracles, exorcized demons, raised people from the dead, and, of course... walked on water. Was called "Iusa" the "ever-becoming son" and the "Holy Child". Delivered a "Sermon on the Mount" with his followers recounting his sayings. Was transfigured on the Mount, was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb and resurrected. Called the Way, the Truth, and the Light, Messia, God's Anointed Son, Son of Man, Good Shepherd, Lamb of God, Word made flesh, Word of Truth, the KRST - or Anointed One. Was "the Fisher" and was associated with the Fish, Lamb and Lion. Came to fulfill the Law, and was supposed to reign one thousand years... etc., etc.

Sound like someone you know? Yes, you're right, the name is Horus."


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Well, none of this is true about Horus. It's a hoax created to cause Christians some possible doubt.

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Jesus & Horus Parallels - A Christian Response

For those unfamiliar with the Horus story, Horus is a character in Egyptian mythology, the son of the gods Isis and Osiris. There actually appear to be multiple deities named 'Horus', but the one who is the son of Isis and Osiris is the one the critics claim influenced the Jesus story. For a quick and unbiased debunking of this story, go to any search engine and find a site on Egyptian mythology and read the Horus story for yourself (I've provided some links at the bottom of the page), or check the mythology section at your local library (go ahead, I dare you!). Acharya S's book "The Christ Conspiracy" is the apparent source of this list, but the author provides evidentiary footnotes for only nine of the claims, and those footnotes frequently disagree with her own claims!

Here are the claims of parallels between Jesus and Horus, with my responses:

1) Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25th in a cave/manger with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.

Let’s take this one apart and deal with each separate issue:

Isis being a virgin is, at best, a "maybe", since there is evidence on both sides. According to most scholars, Horus’ mother was not a virgin. She was married to Osiris, and there is no reason to suppose she was abstinent after marriage. Horus was, per the story, miraculously conceived. Seth had killed and dismembered Osiris, then Isis put her husband's dead body back together and had intercourse with it. In some versions, she used a hand-made phallus since she wasn't able to find that part of her husband. So while it was a miraculous conception, it was not a virgin birth. There are other versions of the story in which Horus' conception was non-sexual, but, since Isis was still married to Osiris, there's no reason to suppose that the authors of those stories intended for her to be a virgin.
 
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"Conceived by a virgin mother named Meri, and had a stepfather named Seb (Joseph). Was born in a cave, his birth announced by an angel, heralded by a star and attended by shepherds. Attended a special rite of passage at the age of twelve and there is no data on the child from the age of 12 to 30. Was baptized in a river at the age of 30, and his baptizer was later beheaded. Had 12 disciples, performed miracles, exorcized demons, raised people from the dead, and, of course... walked on water. Was called "Iusa" the "ever-becoming son" and the "Holy Child". Delivered a "Sermon on the Mount" with his followers recounting his sayings. Was transfigured on the Mount, was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb and resurrected. Called the Way, the Truth, and the Light, Messia, God's Anointed Son, Son of Man, Good Shepherd, Lamb of God, Word made flesh, Word of Truth, the KRST - or Anointed One. Was "the Fisher" and was associated with the Fish, Lamb and Lion. Came to fulfill the Law, and was supposed to reign one thousand years... etc., etc.

Sound like someone you know? Yes, you're right, the name is Horus."


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Well, none of this is true about Horus. It's a hoax created to cause Christians some possible doubt.

Here is the truth:




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Jesus & Horus Parallels - A Christian Response

For those unfamiliar with the Horus story, Horus is a character in Egyptian mythology, the son of the gods Isis and Osiris. There actually appear to be multiple deities named 'Horus', but the one who is the son of Isis and Osiris is the one the critics claim influenced the Jesus story. For a quick and unbiased debunking of this story, go to any search engine and find a site on Egyptian mythology and read the Horus story for yourself (I've provided some links at the bottom of the page), or check the mythology section at your local library (go ahead, I dare you!). Acharya S's book "The Christ Conspiracy" is the apparent source of this list, but the author provides evidentiary footnotes for only nine of the claims, and those footnotes frequently disagree with her own claims!

Here are the claims of parallels between Jesus and Horus, with my responses:

1) Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25th in a cave/manger with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.

Let’s take this one apart and deal with each separate issue:

Isis being a virgin is, at best, a "maybe", since there is evidence on both sides. According to most scholars, Horus’ mother was not a virgin. She was married to Osiris, and there is no reason to suppose she was abstinent after marriage. Horus was, per the story, miraculously conceived. Seth had killed and dismembered Osiris, then Isis put her husband's dead body back together and had intercourse with it. In some versions, she used a hand-made phallus since she wasn't able to find that part of her husband. So while it was a miraculous conception, it was not a virgin birth. There are other versions of the story in which Horus' conception was non-sexual, but, since Isis was still married to Osiris, there's no reason to suppose that the authors of those stories intended for her to be a virgin.

Considering that Cleopatra claimed to be Isis and was worshipped as Isis, I think its safe to assume Isis was not a virgin.
 
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Considering that Cleopatra claimed to be Isis and was worshipped as Isis, I think its safe to assume Isis was not a virgin.

While I'm sure there probably are myths out there involving virgin births of some variety, every claim of a virgin birth that I've ever went to look into has come up with evidence to the contrary. As an example, it's bit weird to call Zeus impregnating a woman and then sewing the fetus in his thigh a "virgin birth", as in the case of the myth of Dionysus.

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While I'm sure there probably are myths out there involving virgin births of some variety, every claim of a virgin birth that I've ever went to look into has come up with evidence to the contrary. As an example, it's bit weird to call Zeus impregnating a woman and then sewing the fetus in his thigh a "virgin birth", as in the case of the myth of Dionysus.

-CryptoLutheran

Indeed. Furthermore, from my knowledge of Egyptology, Horus was not a case of a virgin birth, but the exact details of his conception by Isis and Osiris are of an extremely obscene nature, as is much of paganism, and thus I am uncomfortable discussing it.

Edit: @ewq1938 fortunately provided us with a matter of fact account of the disgusting myth, so thanks to his timely assistance, there is no need for me to explain the very nasty details of the conception of Osiris. Suffice it to say, its not Christianity.
 
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The source of the meme that Horus was born on December 25 seems to be a book titled The Story of Religious Controversy, by Joseph McCabe, Stratford 1929. McCabe wrote:

An early Christian work, the "Paschal Chronicle" (Migne ed. xcii col. 385), tells us that every year the temples of Horus presented to worshipers, in mid-winter (or about December 25th), a scenic model of the birth of Horus. He was represented as a babe born in a stable, his mother Isis standing by.--pp. 168-169.

What the Chronicon Pascale actually says can be found at this link. It relates a story that the Prophet Jeremiah, before he died in Egypt, warned the Egyptian priests that their idols would be destroyed by a savior born of a virgin, and laid in a manger. "For which reason" (Roger Pearse's translation) "they honor a pregnant virgin goddess and worship an infant in a manger".

The Chronicon Paschale says nothing about Horus or Isis. McCabe seems to have gotten the midwinter part from Macrobius, who wrote:

At the winter solstice the sun would seem to be a little child, like that which the Egyptians bring forth from a shrine on an appointed day, since the day is then at its shortest and the god is accordingly shown as a tiny infant. Afterward, however, as the days go on and lengthen, the sun at the spring equinox acquires strength in a way comparable to growth to adolescence, and so the god is given the appearance of a young man. Subsequently, he is represented in full maturity, with a beard, at the summer solstice, when the sun’s growth is completed. After that, the days shorten, as though with the approach of his old age—hence the fourth of the figures by which the god is portrayed.--Saturnalia 1.18.10.
Macrobius does not say which Egyptian sun-god is portrayed in these images. McCabe simply assumes it was Horus.
 
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