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SCOTUS Limits Federal Judges’ Ability to Block Executive Actions Nationwide

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Nah. Actually, I may have misspoken when I said it was Trump's hand picked Supreme Court. Clearly, the Federalist Society had more of a hand in that, Trump is merely the beneficiary of those SCOTUS justices who seem to favor a more authoritarian Executive branch.

-- A2SG, checks and balances, so last century....
Seems to me that this decision improved the checks and balances, district judges shouldn't be able to single-handedly shut down orders nationwide. The judiciary still serves as a check on the executive, all the decision does is remove a fairly novel instrument that could have easily been abused.
 
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Seems to me that this decision improved the checks and balances, district judges shouldn't be able to single-handedly shut down orders nationwide. The judiciary still serves as a check on the executive, all the decision does is remove a fairly novel instrument that could have easily been abused.
It has been abused.
 
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Seems to me that this decision improved the checks and balances, district judges shouldn't be able to single-handedly shut down orders nationwide.
Even when those actions are unconstitutional? And, let's not forget, district courts are subject to appeal to a higher court, so their decisions can always be overruled.

The judiciary still serves as a check on the executive, all the decision does is remove a fairly novel instrument that could have easily been abused.
And facilitated an executive branch to overreach its authority and issue unconstitutional orders.

-- A2SG, but, as I said, there are certain SCOTUS justices that seem to want a more authoritarian executive branch....at least, until the next Democrat gets into office....
 
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Even when those actions are unconstitutional? And, let's not forget, district courts are subject to appeal to a higher court, so their decisions can always be overruled.
Denying district courts universal injunction power doesn't prevent them from ruling actions unconstitutional and getting the ball rolling, it simply doesn't grant rogue judges the power to single handedly overrule the executive.
And facilitated an executive branch to overreach its authority and issue unconstitutional orders.

-- A2SG, but, as I said, there are certain SCOTUS justices that seem to want a more authoritarian executive branch....at least, until the next Democrat gets into office....
This decision doesn't facilitate the executive branch overreaching its authority, it curbs overreaches by district judges and requires a broader consensus of judicial opinion to hinder the operation of the executive.
 
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Even when those actions are unconstitutional?
Who is being unconstitutional here. These Judges are.
And, let's not forget, district courts are subject to appeal to a higher court, so their decisions can always be overruled.
So.
And facilitated an executive branch to overreach its authority and issue unconstitutional orders.

-- A2SG, but, as I said, there are certain SCOTUS justices that seem to want a more authoritarian executive branch....at least, until the next Democrat gets into office....
Barrett went on to describe the dissent as "more extreme still," and said that Jackson's opinion "is at odds with more than two centuries' worth of precedent, not to mention the Constitution itself."

"We observe only this: Justice Jackson decries an imperial Executive while embracing an imperial Judiciary," she wrote.

She continued that nobody "disputes that the Executive has a duty to follow the law," but that the judicial branch "does not have unbridled authority to enforce this obligation—in fact, sometimes the law prohibits the Judiciary from doing so."
 
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Denying district courts universal injunction power doesn't prevent them from ruling actions unconstitutional and getting the ball rolling, it simply doesn't grant rogue judges the power to single handedly overrule the executive.
"Rogue" judge meaning, of course, one you disagree with. If their rulings are contrary to the law or the Constitution, their decisions can be appealed and, if found to be so, overturned.

This decision doesn't facilitate the executive branch overreaching its authority,
It did in several cases involving Trump. Such as denying due process in several cases.

it curbs overreaches by district judges and requires a broader consensus of judicial opinion to hinder the operation of the executive.
A system for that is already in place: the appeals process.

The judiciary is supposed to provide checks and balances to the executive branch. Limiting their ability to do that facilitates the executive branch overreaching its authority.

-- A2SG, something we seem to need more of these days, rather than less.....
 
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Who is being unconstitutional here. These Judges are.
Nope. The Supreme Court ruling limited nationwide injunctions, but it did not find them to be unconstitutional.

So the powers of district judges are limited, and subject to appeal.

Barrett went on to describe the dissent as "more extreme still," and said that Jackson's opinion "is at odds with more than two centuries' worth of precedent, not to mention the Constitution itself."

"We observe only this: Justice Jackson decries an imperial Executive while embracing an imperial Judiciary," she wrote.

She continued that nobody "disputes that the Executive has a duty to follow the law," but that the judicial branch "does not have unbridled authority to enforce this obligation—in fact, sometimes the law prohibits the Judiciary from doing so."
Gee, a couple of Supreme Court justices disagree. Alert the media!

-- A2SG, they may have already heard.....
 
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Why now when it's been established law for 150 years?
Because Trump wants his power, and there are enough SCOTUS justices who are more than willing to hand it to him.

-- A2SG, gotta strike while the iron is hot, I suppose.....
 
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Because it is incorrect. We know this concerned freeing blacks. I think it is an abuse of law for a long while now. Not 150 years though.
It'll be interesting to see what happens when a district court rules that a future Democrat in office oversteps his authority. I wonder how many proponents of this decision will be as supportive then.

-- A2SG, what goes around, comes around.....
 
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"Rogue" judge meaning, of course, one you disagree with. If their rulings are contrary to the law or the Constitution, their decisions can be appealed and, if found to be so, overturned.
Nope, "rogue" judge as in one that has been docket shopped. And as the Supreme Court ruled, the universal injuntion power to suppress EOs was a constintutional violation. So why are you complaining about the judicial system doing exactly what you here make an appeal to?
It did in several cases involving Trump. Such as denying due process in several cases.

A system for that is already in place: the appeals process.

The judiciary is supposed to provide checks and balances to the executive branch. Limiting their ability to do that facilitates the executive branch overreaching its authority.

-- A2SG, something we seem to need more of these days, rather than less.....
It's rather ironic you speak of the appeals process where the court system has done exactly what you affirm it has the power to in overruling lower court judges by stripping them of powers that they in effect granted themselves that put inordinate power into the hands of district court judges. You complain about the executive overstepping, but you're quite happy with district court judges taking such things upon themselves and pretending that the supreme court has somehow done something wrong by ruling that such power violates the constitution. The judiciary still has the oversight function, but that function requires proper procedures to be followed.
 
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Nope. The Supreme Court ruling limited nationwide injunctions, but it did not find them to be unconstitutional.

At odds with the constitution/unconstitutional
Barrett went on to describe the dissent as "more extreme still," and said that Jackson's opinion "is at odds with more than two centuries' worth of precedent, not to mention the Constitution itself."
 
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It'll be interesting to see what happens when a district court rules that a future Democrat in office oversteps his authority. I wonder how many proponents of this decision will be as supportive then.

-- A2SG, what goes around, comes around.....
I doubt these rogue judges would do this to a dem. If they attempted to I would be upset. Unelected power should never hold that kind of power, over the people..
 
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Nope, "rogue" judge as in one that has been docket shopped.
A common practice used by all flavors of political thought.

And as the Supreme Court ruled, the universal injuntion power to suppress EOs was a constintutional violation. So why are you complaining about the judicial system doing exactly what you here make an appeal to?
I'm not so much complaining as disagreeing. I fully acknowledge the Supreme Court's authority in this area, but that doesn't mean I'm not free to disagree regardless.

It's rather ironic you speak of the appeals process where the court system has done exactly what you affirm it has the power to in overruling lower court judges by stripping them of powers that they in effect granted themselves that put inordinate power into the hands of district court judges.
In other words, the appeals process works.

You complain about the executive overstepping, but you're quite happy with district court judges taking such things upon themselves and pretending that the supreme court has somehow done something wrong by ruling that such power violates the constitution.
Nationwide injunctions have been an option for judges for a while now, there was no ruling against them prior to this one, so issuing them was not an overreach. Denying due process, for example, and shipping people to foreign prisons was never within the authority of the executive branch.

So there is a difference.

The judiciary still has the oversight function, but that function requires proper procedures to be followed.
Hampering their ability to be a bulwark against an executive branch bent on wielding authoritarian powers beyond their authority. Seems to me we need that more now than ever.

-- A2SG, though, I acknowledge that some may prefer that kind of government, but I confess, I don't.....
 
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A common practice used by all flavors of political thought.


I'm not so much complaining as disagreeing. I fully acknowledge the Supreme Court's authority in this area, but that doesn't mean I'm not free to disagree regardless.


In other words, the appeals process works.


Nationwide injunctions have been an option for judges for a while now, there was no ruling against them prior to this one, so issuing them was not an overreach. Denying due process, for example, and shipping people to foreign prisons was never within the authority of the executive branch.

So there is a difference.


Hampering their ability to be a bulwark against an executive branch bent on wielding authoritarian powers beyond their authority. Seems to me we need that more now than ever.

-- A2SG, though, I acknowledge that some may prefer that kind of government, but I confess, I don't.....
Again, you're complaining about executive overreach and your solution to that is to allow for a single district court judge to single handedly decide for the whole nation, and you dismissed the reality of docket shopping as something that is a regular feature and not a serious problem(and contributing factor). It seems to me that your objection is more driven by your personal opinions about the current executive than an honest evaluation of the power dynamic. The judiciary has not been stripped of its oversite functions, district court judges have simply been stripped of the ability to exert undue influence through injunctions and instead the judiciary now requires more comprehensive agreement before such power can be exercised nationwide.
 
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At odds with the constitution/unconstitutional
Barrett went on to describe the dissent as "more extreme still," and said that Jackson's opinion "is at odds with more than two centuries' worth of precedent, not to mention the Constitution itself."
The opinions of Justice Barrett notwithstanding, the ruling did not find nationwide injunctions to be unconstitutional.

I doubt these rogue judges would do this to a dem. If they attempted to I would be upset. Unelected power should never hold that kind of power, over the people..
Even if these particular judges may not, others might. Judges, like everyone else, have political opinions.

Whether or not a judge is elected to office or appointed doesn't change the fact that they rule based on the law and the Constitution. They have the power to pass legal judgment, and if someone, even the occupant of the Oval office, violates the law or the Constitution, judges have the authority, and the duty, to rule as such.

-- A2SG, no one is above the law....at least, they didn't use to be....
 
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Again, you're complaining about executive overreach and your solution to that is to allow for a single district court judge to single handedly decide for the whole nation,
If the action is unconstitutional, absolutely. And if the ruling of that single judge is incorrect, it can be appealed and, if found to be so, overturned.

Executive branch overreach is too important, and too significant to our democratic system, to not be fervently opposed.

and you dismissed the reality of docket shopping as something that is a regular feature and not a serious problem(and contributing factor).
If you feel it's a serious problem, then feel free to work with the legislature to enact legislation preventing it.

It seems to me that your objection is more driven by your personal opinions about the current executive than an honest evaluation of the power dynamic.
While I will grant you I do not trust Donald Trump as far as I can throw him, I wouldn't want the power he seems intent on wielding to be used by anyone, even a president whose politics I agree with.

The judiciary has not been stripped of its oversite functions, district court judges have simply been stripped of the ability to exert undue influence through injunctions and instead the judiciary now requires more comprehensive agreement before such power can be exercised nationwide.
Yup, their ability to be a bulwark against a dictatorial executive branch has been curtailed, at the time we need it more than ever.

-- A2SG, and yeah, I fully admit and acknowledge that is my personal opinion.....
 
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If the action is unconstitutional, absolutely. And if the ruling of that single judge is incorrect, it can be appealed and, if found to be so, overturned.

Executive branch overreach is too important, and too significant to our democratic system, to not be fervently opposed.
Nothing about this ruling stops judges from making rulings about the constitutionality of executive actions, it simply prevents a single district judge from having an undue influence over the entire system. Judicial overreach is no less of a significant issue than executive overreach.
If you feel it's a serious problem, then feel free to work with the legislature to enact legislation preventing it.
Curbing the power of district judges reduces the overall threat that such practices present
While I will grant you I do not trust Donald Trump as far as I can throw him, I wouldn't want the power he seems intent on wielding to be used by anyone, even a president whose politics I agree with.
While I find the expansion of executive powers that has happened over the last 40 years troubling, it's not as if Trump initiated the problem. But that doesn't justify granting undue influence to single judges that can be selectively picked by anyone with an axe to grind, so it's neither here nor there on this particular ruling.
Yup, their ability to be a bulwark against a dictatorial executive branch has been curtailed, at the time we need it more than ever.

-- A2SG, and yeah, I fully admit and acknowledge that is my personal opinion.....
You're simply being dramatic, judges can still make rulings about constitutionality and the judiciary as a whole remains in its oversite capacity. It simply requires a more comprehensive contingent of judges to operate at a national level, not allowing for rogue judges to wield undue influence over the political process.
 
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Nothing about this ruling stops judges from making rulings about the constitutionality of executive actions, it simply prevents a single district judge from having an undue influence over the entire system. Judicial overreach is no less of a significant issue than executive overreach.
Judicial overreach has an appeals process, executive branch does not. The only way to limit overreach from the executive branch is through the courts.

Curbing the power of district judges reduces the overall threat that such practices present.
Which is far, far less of a threat to democracy than executive branch overreach. Especially since the court's power is limited through the appeals process.

While I find the expansion of executive powers that has happened over the last 40 years troubling, it's not as if Trump initiated the problem.
True enough. But he has exacerbated it, and shows no sign of stopping. Given his past criminal acts, it seems to me we need a stronger bulwark against his overreach than a weaker one.

But that doesn't justify granting undue influence to single judges that can be selectively picked by anyone with an axe to grind, so it's neither here nor there on this particular ruling.
That ability has been in place for decades, it wasn't recently granted. It only came under fire when a president, intent on overstepping his authority, felt inhibited in doing so.

Which, to my mind, necessitates strengthening that ability, not limiting it.

You're simply being dramatic, judges can still make rulings about constitutionality and the judiciary as a whole remains in its oversite capacity. It simply requires a more comprehensive contingent of judges to operate at a national level, not allowing for rogue judges to wield undue influence over the political process.
I don't believe I am being dramatic. Trump does seem inordinately interested in wielding powers well beyond his authority, and I firmly believe our democracy needs more protection against that than less.

-- A2SG, but I guess that's kinda what is going to happen when you elect a convicted felon to high office....
 
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