Trump threatens to cut Calif.’s federal funds if trans athletes ‘illegally’ compete in women’s events

A2SG · Tuesday at 11:32 PM

BPPLEE said:
You are catering to the comfort of trans people at the expense of women.

No one is required to make other people comfortable. Your personal discomfort is not my responsibility, nor is mine yours. Take, as an example, a person who is uncomfortable around Christians. Does that discomfort require the Christian to remove religious jewelry, or even disavow their god in order to cater to that other person's comfort level? Of course not.

So why should trans people be required to accommodate the comfort level of other people and have their rights limited just because those other people have a prejudicial view of trans people, and feel uncomfortable about their existence?

Seems to me there used to be an expression about dealing with people's feelings. Can't quite recall it just now, though.

BPPLEE said:
Your argument is no different than me saying so what if trans people are uncomfortable in the bathroom or locker rooms with people of their own biological sex?
The other people have done nothing to make them uncomfortable except to exist

But that trans person is not limiting the rights of anyone else, or demanding that they act any differently. They just want to go to the bathroom.

-- A2SG, when ya gotta go, ya gotta go....

A2SG · Tuesday at 11:40 PM

RileyG said:
I don’t care what he considers himself as. Reality and biology says otherwise.

We're talking gender here, not biology. And there's more to reality than biology.

RileyG said:
This has nothing to do with checking anyone’s genitalia, good grief.

Nor should it. But you equated this to something that requires proof; if that's irrelevant, what was the point to your comparison?

And the only way to prove someone's biology is to check their genitalia. It's far less intrusive than checking their internal organs or chromosomes.

-- A2SG, though it does need to be said, genitalia isn't always a completely accurate determination of one's sex anyway, but that's a whole 'nother can of worms...

A2SG · Tuesday at 11:41 PM

RileyG said:
They are like anyone else. If they want to go to the restroom, go to the correct one. Males in men, females in women. Simple.

As far as they're concerned, the correct one is the one that corresponds to their gender.

-- A2SG, simple as that....

RileyG · Tuesday at 11:43 PM

A2SG said:
We're talking gender here, not biology. And there's more to reality than biology.

Nor should it. But you equated this to something that requires proof; if that's irrelevant, what was the point to your comparison?

And the only way to prove someone's biology is to check their genitalia. It's far less intrusive than checking their internal organs or chromosomes.

-- A2SG, though it does need to be said, genitalia isn't always a completely accurate determination of one's sex anyway, but that's a whole 'nother can of worms...

Again, I do not accept that radical ideology. A so called trans woman is still a man regardless of his identity. Every cell in his body says so.

RileyG · Tuesday at 11:43 PM

A2SG said:
As far as they're concerned, the correct one is the one that corresponds to their gender.

-- A2SG, simple as that....

How would they know other than based on stereotypes? They simply don’t.

A2SG · Wednesday at 12:19 AM

RileyG said:
Again, I do not accept that radical ideology.

Nothing radical about acknowledging the difference between gender and sex.

RileyG said:
A so called trans woman is still a man regardless of his identity. Every cell in his body says so.

So identity means nothing? You are just the cells in your body, nothing more?

Not sure you want to go down that road, my friend.

RileyG said:
How would they know other than based on stereotypes? They simply don’t.

There's a lot more than stereotypes that goes into how a person sees their gender. I might suggest reading up on the subject, there's a ton of research done in the field.

-- A2SG, you may want to consider checking out a wide variety of views, just to get a better picture....

Bradskii · Wednesday at 1:31 AM

BPPLEE said:
What about the boundaries and comfort level of women?
Most women aren't comfortable with a biological male in their private spaces.
It's a complicated issue.

So let's keep it simple. A woman is in a restroom and another woman comes in. What do you think should happen now?

Bradskii · Wednesday at 1:33 AM

RileyG said:
This has nothing to do with checking anyone’s genitalia, good grief.

Then see the post above this one. What should happen?

Bradskii · Wednesday at 1:36 AM

RileyG said:
How would they know other than based on stereotypes?

Stereotypes? So you have an idea of what a woman should look like and act. She should be...what? Feminine? Wear a dress? Makeup?

Hey, I know how you can solve the problem that you have. Only stereotypical women are allowed in the women's restroom. No need to look up anyone's skirt then. Whaddya think?

SimplyMe · Wednesday at 10:23 AM

BPPLEE said:
What about the boundaries and comfort level of women?
Most women aren't comfortable with a biological male in their private spaces.
It's a complicated issue. Making trans people comfortable makes most women uncomfortable

How do they know there is a biological male in their private space? We know there are women that look "manly" and have seen examples of people complaining about "males" in bathroom that turned out to be women. From what I've seen, this move to keep "men out of women's bathroom" has mostly hurt women that may not look particularly feminine.

ralliann · Wednesday at 10:26 AM

RileyG said:
I don’t think it’s prejudiced. Some people just don’t think men can become women or vice versa. Like I said before, a tiny minority cannot force their extreme agenda onto others. Trans people made their choice, now they have to live with it.

Peace

How long is all the back and forth going to go on. There are people out there who cannot stand how some people feel or think about certain things. So, they enjoy shoving it in your face. And rejoice in forcing it on you.

BCP1928 · Wednesday at 10:38 AM

ralliann said:
How long is all the back and forth going to go on. There are people out there who cannot stand how some people feel or think about certain things. So, they enjoy shoving it in your face. And rejoice in forcing it on you.

Boy, is that ever projection.

ralliann · Wednesday at 10:45 AM

BCP1928 said:
Boy, is that ever projection.

Oh sure!

BPPLEE · Wednesday at 10:46 AM

Bradskii said:
So let's keep it simple. A woman is in a restroom and another woman comes in. What do you think should happen now?

I don't go in women's restrooms but I guess she waits her turn

BCP1928 · Wednesday at 10:49 AM

RileyG said:
Again, I do not accept that radical ideology. A so called trans woman is still a man regardless of his identity. Every cell in his body says so.

So what?

rjs330 · Wednesday at 2:50 PM

BCP1928 said:
So what?

Why do you want men in women's spaces so badly?

RileyG · Wednesday at 3:13 PM

BCP1928 said:
So what?

That’s my opinion. It’s ok if you disagree. It’s all good.

BCP1928 · Wednesday at 4:15 PM

rjs330 said:
Why do you want men in women's spaces so badly?

I don't care if they do. Most of the people I know and people in many of the workplaces I know don't care either. I can see that there is a perceived threat of violence to women which has to be acknowledged and a desire for privacy which also has to be acknowledged for both men and women, There are various ways of dealing with these issues which have been tried, but it doesn't seem like such a crashing emergency that immediate action at the federal level should be required. It just doesn't seem like a big deal to me and I wonder why it is to you

FreeinChrist · Wednesday at 4:42 PM

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