Homo erectus in Java: 140,000-year-old fossils found in submerged river valley

AACJ · Tuesday at 9:10 PM

dlamberth said:
Coped from another site:
Human fossils dating back 140,000 years were discovered in the creation of an artificial island in Indonesia. During sand dredging in the Madura Strait, contractors pulled around 177 million cubic feet (5 million cubic meters) of sand and sandstones to create an artificial island, which surfaced fossils. This discovery reveals a previously unknown Homo erectus population in Southeast Asia. Homo erectus were the earliest hominins to resemble modern humans, with larger bodies, longer legs, and shorter arms in comparison to their torso.

Homo erectus in Java: 140,000-year-old fossils found in submerged river valley

For those who tend towards the scientific study, here's the paper from "Quaternary Environments and Humans"
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2950236524000409

Typical of such works, the article you linked to uncritically promotes evolutionary assumptions and ignores biblical creationism. The 140,000-year dating relies on flawed luminescence techniques and presupposes uniformitarian geology, rejecting the global flood evidence (Genesis 6-9). Homo erectus fossils likely represent post-Babel human variation, not evolutionary ancestors. The scavenging/hunting claims are speculation--broken bones could stem from catastrophic burial. The article’s naturalism filter ignores God’s creative acts (Exodus 20:11) and distorts human origins.

AACJ · Tuesday at 9:13 PM

dlamberth said:
140,000 years ago there were several early Human species roaming the Earth. Among them Homo Sapiens were emerging in Africa.

Hay AV, ask AI how many Human species were on the Earth 140,000 years ago.

none.

dlamberth · Tuesday at 11:36 PM

AACJ said:
Typical of such works, the article you linked to uncritically promotes evolutionary assumptions and ignores biblical creationism. The 140,000-year dating relies on flawed luminescence techniques and presupposes uniformitarian geology, rejecting the global flood evidence (Genesis 6-9). Homo erectus fossils likely represent post-Babel human variation, not evolutionary ancestors. The scavenging/hunting claims are speculation--broken bones could stem from catastrophic burial. The article’s naturalism filter ignores God’s creative acts (Exodus 20:11) and distorts human origins.

It just makes sense that the article does not include biblical creation. The article in the OP is from a science journal. Science looks at what the Earth is showing us and not religious beliefs. And that's a good thing.

Lost4words · Tuesday at 11:50 PM

Science is not always right either....

sjastro · Wednesday at 1:17 AM

AACJ said:
Typical of such works, the article you linked to uncritically promotes evolutionary assumptions and ignores biblical creationism. The 140,000-year dating relies on flawed luminescence techniques and presupposes uniformitarian geology, rejecting the global flood evidence (Genesis 6-9). Homo erectus fossils likely represent post-Babel human variation, not evolutionary ancestors. The scavenging/hunting claims are speculation--broken bones could stem from catastrophic burial. The article’s naturalism filter ignores God’s creative acts (Exodus 20:11) and distorts human origins.

Typical creationist nonsense.
Firstly "The 140,000-year dating relies on flawed luminescence techniques..........."
OSL in this not a flawed technique where possible it is used it conjunction with other methods and their error bar values are found to overlap. Of course it would an amazing coincidence if they are all wrong to a similar degree of magnitude.

Site / Find	Location	Dating Techniques Used	Material Dated	Reported Dates	Reference
Lake Ulaan	Mongolia	OSL, Radiocarbon (^14C)	Lacustrine sediments	- OSL: ~16,000 to >50,000 years BP - ^14C: Clustered around 40,000–50,000 years BP	Springer Link
Suheol-ri Paleosols	Cheonan, Korea	OSL, Radiocarbon (^14C)	Paleosol layers with archaeological finds	- OSL: ~30,000 to 40,000 years BP - ^14C: ~30,000 to 40,000 years BP (good agreement)	MAA Journal
Clark Emu Egg	Australia	OSL, Radiocarbon (^14C), U-Series, AAR	Fossilized emu egg	All methods yielded ~25,000 to 35,000 years BP	ScienceDirect
Lower Moulouya River	Morocco	OSL, ESR, Palaeomagnetism	Fluvial terrace sediments	- All methods (OSL, ESR, paleomag): ~1.5 million to 1.1 million years BP	ScienceDirect
Ksar Akil Rock Shelter	Lebanon	OSL, Thermoluminescence (TL), Radiocarbon (^14C)	Sediments and burnt flints	- ^14C: ~45,900 to 39,200 years BP - TL & OSL support ^14C framework for early modern humans	Wikipedia

Secondly "......rejecting the global flood evidence (Genesis 6-9)."
To the south of Indonesia is the Australian continent inhabited by the oldest existing culture on the planet where their rich oral traditions survive. Once such tradition are flood stories which is supported by geological evidence such as sedimentation and indicates floods were local not global and occurred at different times. In other regions such as Tasmania where there were no flood stories is supported by the lack of sedimentation.

Thirdly "Homo erectus fossils likely represent post-Babel human variation, not evolutionary ancestors. The scavenging/hunting claims are speculation--broken bones could stem from catastrophic burial."

Since this a a science forum support your assertion with evidence, opinions do not count and the Bible is not a source of evidence.

Gene2memE · Wednesday at 1:18 AM

dlamberth said:
What struck me as interesting from the article is how wide spread early human species were on this Earth.

They keep turning up all over the place, and in more and more variations.

I think there have been three new Homo species discovered in just the last decade (juluensis, bodoenesis and nadeli) and another couple of earlier discoveries that have been formally type classified as Homo. That would make the last 10 years the most productive when it comes to archaic human discoveries since the 1970s.

Ophiolite · Wednesday at 6:00 AM

AACJ said:
Typical of such works, the article you linked to uncritically promotes evolutionary assumptions and ignores biblical creationism.

Yes. It's called science, which - as you undoubtedly know - functions today aligned with methodological naturalism. I have studied the paper. I see no evolutionary assumptions. Feel free to list your tow favourite examples, demonstating with evidence - not unsupported claims - that they are assumptions.

AACJ said:
The 140,000-year dating relies on flawed luminescence techniques

Please detail what are flawed in the techniques in general and state, specifically, how these flaws are apparent in the dating provided in the paper.

AACJ said:
rejecting the global flood evidence (Genesis 6-9)

There may be some crumbs of evidence for a global flood. The evidence against a global flood is the equivalent of the bread output of a nationwide chain of bakeries over the course of a decade. But, I'll bite, go ahead and present your very best piece of evidence for a global flood so I can fire up some neurons that have been quiescent for too long.

AV1611VET · Wednesday at 9:06 AM

Lost4words said:
Science is not always right either....

But they claim that's the beauty of science.

Always learning is what they look forward to.

You know ... self-correcting and all.

How would you like talking to someone who, every time you saw him, changed his previous story?

"I used to own a Dachshund."

Next day: "Sorry, I used to own a Beagle."

Next day: "Sorry, it was a Corgi I used to own."

AV1611VET · Wednesday at 9:08 AM

Ophiolite said:
But, I'll bite, go ahead and present your very best piece of evidence for a global flood so I can fire up some neurons that have been quiescent for too long.

White cliffs and meandering rivers.

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