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Trump threatens to cut Calif.’s federal funds if trans athletes ‘illegally’ compete in women’s events

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To be protected from association with people like that. What harm do you think it does them to be in close company with trans people?
It’s not about association. They can live as they want, as long as they respect the rights of others.
 
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What would you call it if someone claims, without evidence, that transwomen are a danger to other women?
Some women don’t want to share the restroom with a biological male. That’s their right.
 
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Some women don’t want to share the restroom with a biological male. That’s their right.
Good grief, it's like a broken record. You keep saying this - on behalf of women I might add, when you cannot produce any evidence that it's even a problem. And then refuse to tell us how you are going to accomplish something that's not even necessary.

I've lost count of the number of times you've stated that you've nothing more to say on the matter. But it seems to concern you greatly. Again, for no reason at all.
 
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Good grief, it's like a broken record. You keep saying this - on behalf of women I might add, when you cannot produce any evidence that it's even a problem. And then refuse to tell us how you are going to accomplish something that's not even necessary.

I've lost count of the number of times you've stated that you've nothing more to say on the matter. But it seems to concern you greatly. Again, for no reason at all.
I have nothing else to say.

Have a lovely evening
 
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Clearly.

-- A2SG, not much else I can say here....
They can live as they want, as long as they respect others who are uncomfortable.

It is what it is.
 
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They can live as they want, as long as they respect others who are uncomfortable.
What if a trans person is uncomfortable with prejudiced people in the bathroom? Oh wait, I know the answer to this one.

It is what it is.
Isn't it.

-- A2SG, do be do be do....
 
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What if a trans person is uncomfortable with prejudiced people in the bathroom? Oh wait, I know the answer to this one.


Isn't it.

-- A2SG, do be do be do....
Again. It’s not prejudice.

I actually know of a woman, a lesbian who was sexually assaulted by a man, and she isn’t comfortable to be alone with any man for any reason. Is that prejudice of her? No.

I don’t accept the extreme ideology, but I don’t care how people choose to live, as long as they respect the boundaries of others.
 
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Again. It’s not prejudice.
Yeah, it is. It's prejudice to assume negative things about trans people based on a preconceived notion, instead of any actual evidence. Making an assumption about the mental health status of trans people, and assuming that means they are prone to attacking women in restrooms, when there is absolutely no evidence that has ever happened, is the very definition of prejudice.

I actually know of a woman, a lesbian who was sexually assaulted by a man, and she isn’t comfortable to be alone with any man for any reason. Is that prejudice of her? No.
Of course it is, if she assumes all men are going to act like her attacker did. Understandable perhaps, but still prejudicial.

I don’t accept the extreme ideology, but I don’t care how people choose to live, as long as they respect the boundaries of others.
But no one has to respect the boundaries or comfort level of trans people. Got it.

-- A2SG, they are second class citizens, after all.....
 
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Yeah, it is. It's prejudice to assume negative things about trans people based on a preconceived notion, instead of any actual evidence. Making an assumption about the mental health status of trans people, and assuming that means they are prone to attacking women in restrooms, when there is absolutely no evidence that has ever happened, is the very definition of prejudice.


Of course it is, if she assumes all men are going to act like her attacker did. Understandable perhaps, but still prejudicial.


But no one has to respect the boundaries or comfort level of trans people. Got it.

-- A2SG, they are second class citizens, after all.....
Again. They have every right to live their life as they want, as long as they are respectful of those who disagree with their lifestyle.

Quite frankly, it’s not so black and white.

There is a lot of gray area.

Peace
 
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Yeah, it is. It's prejudice to assume negative things about trans people based on a preconceived notion, instead of any actual evidence. Making an assumption about the mental health status of trans people, and assuming that means they are prone to attacking women in restrooms, when there is absolutely no evidence that has ever happened, is the very definition of prejudice.


Of course it is, if she assumes all men are going to act like her attacker did. Understandable perhaps, but still prejudicial.


But no one has to respect the boundaries or comfort level of trans people. Got it.

-- A2SG, they are second class citizens, after all.....
What about the boundaries and comfort level of women?
Most women aren't comfortable with a biological male in their private spaces.
It's a complicated issue. Making trans people comfortable makes most women uncomfortable
 
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Again. They have every right to live their life as they want, as long as they are respectful of those who disagree with their lifestyle.
But those who disagree can be as disrespectful as they like, and are empowered to use the law to legislate their prejudice.

Quite frankly, it’s not so black and white.

There is a lot of gray area.

Peace
Yup. Prejudiced folks need to be respected and protected by law from an assumed threat for which there is no evidence, but trans people are subject to punishment and undue restrictions without ever having done a thing to deserve it.

-- A2SG, there's your gray area.....
 
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But those who disagree can be as disrespectful as they like, and are empowered to use the law to legislate their prejudice.


Yup. Prejudiced folks need to be respected and protected by law from an assumed threat for which there is no evidence, but trans people are subject to punishment and undue restrictions without ever having done a thing to deserve it.

-- A2SG, there's your gray area.....
I don’t think it’s prejudiced. Some people just don’t think men can become women or vice versa. Like I said before, a tiny minority cannot force their extreme agenda onto others. Trans people made their choice, now they have to live with it.

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What about the boundaries and comfort level of women?
What about them? At what point is someone able to use their personal discomfort to limit the rights of those who have done nothing to cause that discomfort beyond simply existing?

Most women aren't comfortable with a biological male in their private spaces.
What's private about a public bathroom? Now, granted, if it was the bathroom in their own house, they might have a point.

It's a complicated issue. Making trans people comfortable makes most women uncomfortable
So one group's comfort level deserves to be legislated, while the other is simply ignored. Gee, is that the American way now?

-- A2SG, not like trans people want to share the same lunch counter or drinking fountain, ya know....
 
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What about them? At what point is someone able to use their personal discomfort to limit the rights of those who have done nothing to cause that discomfort beyond simply existing?


What's private about a public bathroom? Now, granted, if it was the bathroom in their own house, they might have a point.


So one group's comfort level deserves to be legislated, while the other is simply ignored. Gee, is that the American way now?

-- A2SG, not like trans people want to share the same lunch counter or drinking fountain, ya know....
I mean, why should a man have a right to use the restroom just because he calls himself a woman? It simply blows my mind.

I can say I identify as 65 to collect social security, but my calendar age says otherwise.

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I don’t think it’s prejudiced.
It's a prejudgment, a judgment made beforehand. A preconceived opinion about someone or an entire group of people is prejudging them.

Some people just don’t think men can become women or vice versa.
Yup, that's a good example of the kind of preconceived opinions I was just talking about.

Like I said before, a tiny minority cannot force their extreme agenda onto others.
They're not forcing anything on anyone. They just want to go to the bathroom!

Trans people made their choice, now they have to live with it.

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Yup, they exist. Now they have to pay for that.

-- A2SG, how dare they be different, such effrontery!
 
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What about them? At what point is someone able to use their personal discomfort to limit the rights of those who have done nothing to cause that discomfort beyond simply existing?


What's private about a public bathroom? Now, granted, if it was the bathroom in their own house, they might have a point.


So one group's comfort level deserves to be legislated, while the other is simply ignored. Gee, is that the American way now?

-- A2SG, not like trans people want to share the same lunch counter or drinking fountain, ya know....
You are catering to the comfort of trans people at the expense of women.
Your argument is no different than me saying so what if trans people are uncomfortable in the bathroom or locker rooms with people of their own biological sex?
The other people have done nothing to make them uncomfortable except to exist
 
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I mean, why should a man have a right to use the restroom just because he calls himself a woman? It simply blows my mind.
Because that person considers herself a woman, so she wishes to use the restroom that corresponds with her gender.

I can say I identify as 65 to collect social security, but my calendar age says otherwise.
SSI requires proof of age. Do bathrooms require proof of genitalia?

-- A2SG, why do some people keep wanting to check other people's genitalia?
 
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Because that person considers herself a woman, so she wishes to use the restroom that corresponds with her gender.


SSI requires proof of age. Do bathrooms require proof of genitalia?

-- A2SG, why do some people keep wanting to check other people's genitalia?
I don’t care what he considers himself as. Reality and biology says otherwise.

This has nothing to do with checking anyone’s genitalia, good grief.
 
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It's a prejudgment, a judgment made beforehand. A preconceived opinion about someone or an entire group of people is prejudging them.


Yup, that's a good example of the kind of preconceived opinions I was just talking about.


They're not forcing anything on anyone. They just want to go to the bathroom!


Yup, they exist. Now they have to pay for that.

-- A2SG, how dare they be different, such effrontery!
They are like anyone else. If they want to go to the restroom, go to the correct one. Males in men, females in women. Simple.
 
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