Trump threatens to cut Calif.’s federal funds if trans athletes ‘illegally’ compete in women’s events

A2SG · Monday at 10:40 PM

BCP1928 said:
Back in the day, there were frequently couches in women's rest rooms. I had a supervisor once who had a problem which entailed him sleeping it off many mornings on that couch. The women who used the rest room weren't afraid nor did they believe that their sexual purity was under threat. They just thought it was disgusting.

No doubt. You'll also notice the complete lack of any evidence that trans people are attacking women in public bathrooms, or even cis men dressing as women to do that. It's entirely made up, a scare tactic to justify prejudice.

-- A2SG, trans people are just the boogeyman du jour....last time it was drag queens, before that gays, jews before that....

A2SG · Monday at 10:41 PM

ralliann said:
If it became law, they would have no choice.

So get cracking. Contact your local elected officials, help draft the bill and try to have it passed.

-- A2SG, put yer money where your mouth is....

A2SG · Monday at 10:55 PM

RileyG said:
It has happened. Hunter Heckel of Virginia wore a skirt and sexually assaulted a girl in the bathroom. It occurred in 2021 when he was 15.

And he was arrested for the crime. So, problem solved.

Now tell me, how would banning trans women (which Heckel was not) from public women's rooms would have prevented this? Why penalize people who had nothing to do with the crime at all?

-- A2SG, if we found that Heckel had worn a cross instead of a skirt, could we then ban all Christians from bathrooms?

RileyG · Monday at 11:06 PM

A2SG said:
And he was arrested for the crime. So, problem solved.

Now tell me, how would banning trans women (which Heckel was not) from public women's rooms would have prevented this? Why penalize people who had nothing to do with the crime at all?

-- A2SG, if we found that Heckel had worn a cross instead of a skirt, could we then ban all Christians from bathrooms?

I’ve made myself abundantly clear no male belongs in the woman’s restroom, which so called trans women are, to begin with.

Again.

A2SG · Monday at 11:32 PM

RileyG said:
I’ve made myself abundantly clear no male belongs in the woman’s restroom, which so called trans women are, to begin with.

Again.

Yes, we're aware of that particular prejudice. My point is that the problem you cited, danger to women in public bathrooms, would not be solved by denying trans people the right to use whichever bathroom they prefer. Especially since it doesn't appear that trans people are the ones committing these supposed crimes, for which there seems to be a lack of evidence for anyway.

-- A2SG, your single example proves this: Heckel isn't trans, and the existing laws worked just as intended....

RileyG · Tuesday at 12:18 AM

A2SG said:
Yes, we're aware of that particular prejudice. My point is that the problem you cited, danger to women in public bathrooms, would not be solved by denying trans people the right to use whichever bathroom they prefer. Especially since it doesn't appear that trans people are the ones committing these supposed crimes, for which there seems to be a lack of evidence for anyway.

-- A2SG, your single example proves this: Heckel isn't trans, and the existing laws worked just as intended....

It’s not prejudice. I don’t accept an extreme ideology, again.

So called trans women belong in men’s restrooms because? Get this! They. Are. Men.

Mayzoo · Tuesday at 12:41 AM

When will genderize elevators? I have a chance of protecting myself in a restroom for a time. I have almost no chance in an elevator. Let's petition for gender based elevator if we really want to protect women. Next we can regress to women not being allowed in public without a closely related male relative. After all, it is about protecting women.

A2SG · Tuesday at 12:46 AM

RileyG said:
It’s not prejudice. I don’t accept an extreme ideology, again.

It's a prejudgment. I've even shown you the definition: an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.

RileyG said:
So called trans women belong in men’s restrooms because? Get this! They. Are. Men.

We're well aware of your opinion. The actual individuals disagree, however. And, it seems to me, they just very well might know their own gender better than anyone else.

-- A2SG, odd as that might seem....

RileyG · Tuesday at 12:51 AM

A2SG said:
It's a prejudgment. I've even shown you the definition: an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.

We're well aware of your opinion. The actual individuals disagree, however. And, it seems to me, they just very well might know their own gender better than anyone else.

-- A2SG, odd as that might seem....

There is nothing else to add. I’ve always been clear.

To me, transgenderism is all part of broken humanity just like any other disorder. They are broken people, like all of humanity, but the morality cannot be discussed per the rules.

I don’t care what they identify as. Feelings aren’t reality. Their identity can also change at a drop of a hat, which is why I don’t find it credible.

I’m more concerned about the rights of women and girls. Period.

RileyG · Tuesday at 12:53 AM

Mayzoo said:
When will genderize elevators? I have a chance of protecting myself in a restroom for a time. I have almost no chance in an elevator. Let's petition for gender based elevator if we really want to protect women. Next we can regress to women not being allowed in public without a closely related male relative. After all, it is about protecting women.

???? Completely off topic.

GoldenBoy89 · Tuesday at 1:03 AM

It’s amazing how some teenager competing in a track meet can generate nearly 30 pages of back and forth discussion but a shooter calling out and ambushing firefighters responding to the call gets barely any notice.

A2SG · Tuesday at 1:04 AM

RileyG said:
There is nothing else to add. I’ve always been clear.

To me, transgenderism is all part of broken humanity just like any other disorder. They are broken people, like all of humanity, but the morality cannot be discussed per the rules.

I never even mentioned that.

RileyG said:
I don’t care what they identify as. Feelings aren’t reality. Their identity can also change at a drop of a hat, which is why I don’t find it credible.

I think you'll find that, for the vast majority of people, their identity doesn't change at the drop of a hat.

RileyG said:
I’m more concerned about the rights of women and girls. Period.

Rights that are not being violated. The rights of trans people, however, are.

But yeah, you do have the right to be concerned or not concerned about whatever you prefer.

-- A2SG, but the rights of trans people...ah, who cares about them? They're weird!

Bradskii · Tuesday at 2:21 AM

Mayzoo said:
Next we can regress to women not being allowed in public without a closely related male relative.

Ah, but some would want that to exclude transwomen. Because...reasons.

Bradskii · Tuesday at 2:23 AM

RileyG said:
It’s not prejudice.

What would you call it if someone claims, without evidence, that transwomen are a danger to other women?

BCP1928 · Tuesday at 6:27 AM

RileyG said:
There is nothing else to add. I’ve always been clear.

To me, transgenderism is all part of broken humanity just like any other disorder. They are broken people, like all of humanity, but the morality cannot be discussed per the rules.

I don’t care what they identify as. Feelings aren’t reality. Their identity can also change at a drop of a hat, which is why I don’t find it credible.

I’m more concerned about the rights of women and girls. Period.

To be protected from association with people like that. What harm do you think it does them to be in close company with trans people?

ralliann · Tuesday at 8:47 AM

BCP1928 said:
That's right, if that's how you feel. But again, many people don't really care about that kind of thing. Just keep in mind that your feelings on the matter are not universal or normative.

I think they are quite normal.

rjs330 · Tuesday at 9:30 AM

RileyG said:
Of course I don’t want anyone to check genitalia.

Maybe im too traditional that I will never accept trans women as real women, because I find it impossible. Maybe im too old fashioned.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this issue and move on.

Take care

Don't make excuses for your stance Riley. You are not too traditional or too old or old fashioned. What you have is common sense based upon solid reasoning.

The whole checking genitalia is a leftist strawman argument in order to let men into womens spaces. Because literally no one has ever suggested we do that. And it's utterly unnecessary.

rjs330 · Tuesday at 9:31 AM

ralliann said:
I think they are quite normal.

They most certainly are normal and universal.

rjs330 · Tuesday at 9:33 AM

Mayzoo said:
When will genderize elevators? I have a chance of protecting myself in a restroom for a time. I have almost no chance in an elevator. Let's petition for gender based elevator if we really want to protect women. Next we can regress to women not being allowed in public without a closely related male relative. After all, it is about protecting women.

Ah.. so Sharia Law is now the same thing as keeping men out of women's private spaces?

Do you have something against Sharia Law?

RileyG · Tuesday at 2:09 PM

A2SG said:
I never even mentioned that.

I think you'll find that, for the vast majority of people, their identity doesn't change at the drop of a hat.

Rights that are not being violated. The rights of trans people, however, are.

But yeah, you do have the right to be concerned or not concerned about whatever you prefer.

-- A2SG, but the rights of trans people...ah, who cares about them? They're weird!

I really don’t care. No male should have a right to use the women’s restroom. I don’t care about their so called rights. They can dress up and pretend all they want. Their life. Their choice.

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