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The phrase 'gay Christian' blends 2 incompatible truths

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While that’s true, it doesn’t provide any justification for the liberal mainline churches which are actively promoting sexual perversion by flying “pride” flags (the very idea of a church celebrating a month encouraging any form of pride, which is sinful in Christianity, is sickening; especially since part of June usually falls within one of the four major fasts of the Orthodox and Eastern Catholic Christians, the Apostle’s Fast, which starts the Monday following All Saints Day (which is on the same day as Trinity Sunday in the West, because in the Byzantine Rite Pentecost Sunday is celebrated as the Feast of the Holy Trinity as well as the descent of the Holy Spirit, which is additionally commemorated on the Monday following Pentecost Sunday), and continues until the Feast of the Holy Apostles St. Peter and St. Paul on June 29th, so for many Orthodox on the Revised Julian and Gregorian Calendar it ended yesterday, but for others it will continue for another 12 days.
Certainly not, nor was it intended to. It's one thing to flout the law and pretend that it isn't sin, another to call for a more nuanced discussion that is sensitive to the psychological and sociological issues that are at play.
 
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St. Paul made it clear that certain sins such as fornication, homosexuality, adultery, murder and other transgressions could jeopardize our salvation.
Well said, sir! Repent or perish!
 
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Those lists are questionably comparible to the modern institution of homosexuality, especially considering that there are at least two different practices that have been placed under the umbrella term despite possibly refering to more specific violations like pederasty.
Per the forum rules, I don’t think that can be discussed, but you can look at what the early Church fathers said about it.

Blessings
 
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Those lists are questionably comparible to the modern institution of homosexuality, especially considering that there are at least two different practices that have been placed under the umbrella term despite possibly refering to more specific violations like pederasty.

If we read the Canons of St. Basil or St. Gregory of Nyssa, it is clear that modern homosexuality falls within what St. Paul was talking about.

The penintential canons of St. John the Faster, in which he cut in half the default penances before any oikonomia was applied, provide an even more exact list of behaviors the early church regarded as immoral.
 
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If we read the Canons of St. Basil or St. Gregory of Nyssa, it is clear that modern homosexuality falls within what St. Paul was talking about.

The penintential canons of St. John the Faster, in which he cut in half the default penances before any oikonomia was applied, provide an even more exact list of behaviors the early church regarded as immoral.
Indeed. Thank you, sir.
 
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did Jesus have that problem?

The items in question are seriously indelicate and we have young people on this website, so our Lord and St. Paul spoke in generalities with regards to lascivious behavior.
 
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So... something that I wish there was more room for is a capacity for Christians to simultaneously be ok with experiencing same-sex attraction and yet also be ok with celibacy for the sake of Christ. Out-yet-celibate, at least as far as the ssa goes. And yes, I know our identities are to be found in Christ, not our Kinsey Scale numbers, but for those walking in both worlds, even invisibly, it can be a bit alienating.

There are some of us out there who still love Subarus, Edward Gorey, plaid, and Provincetown and yet have left the physical side of that world for a community that just does not understand. It's an absolutely insane yet wonderful experience to actually meet a fellow "Side B" Christian in real life.

Thought this article was quite good and was kind of shocked to see the opinion. It's subtle.
 
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So... something that I wish there was more room for is a capacity for Christians to simultaneously be ok with experiencing same-sex attraction and yet also be ok with celibacy for the sake of Christ. Out-yet-celibate, at least as far as the ssa goes. And yes, I know our identities are to be found in Christ, not our Kinsey Scale numbers, but for those walking in both worlds, even invisibly, it can be a bit alienating.

There are some of us out there who still love Subarus, Edward Gorey, plaid, and Provincetown and yet have left the physical side of that world for a community that just does not understand. It's an absolutely insane yet wonderful experience to actually meet a fellow "Side B" Christian in real life.

Thought this article was quite good and was kind of shocked to see the opinion. It's subtle.
With all of the political posturing, one thing that is easily lost in the mix is the humanity of people who are struggling to find their way in such apparently diametrically opposed self-understandings. It's easy to wax poetic about love when we're not confronted with the challenge of properly demonstrating love for those struggling with trying to find acceptance from two groups that are likely to reject them for not pledging their uncompromised loyalty to moral systems and ideas about what it means to love. Too often I hear Christians make glib statements about love the sinner, hate the sin with little recognition that there's no functional way to separate the two neatly. There's a narrow path, and walking it requires us to constantly remember that in all the showmanship and brazen displays of licentiousness that operate in the world today there are people who are hurting deeply and are seeking solace for their pain in a world that ultimately does not care about them. We're supposed to be the light of the world, but so often we miss that mark because we're concerned with policing the morality of a world that belongs to Satan.
 
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@Fervent : Something I think *needs* to be put out there more often is the distinction between attraction and physical sin. Friendship and emotional closeness vs. the physical stuff. If zero distinction is made, you get a lot of people who are very, very constricted beyond what is reasonable, who may mistakenly believe that they are now straight, and wind up far more ruined than they would have been had "pray the gay away" not been presented as an option.

Yes, sometimes people are miraculously delivered from ssa. That's wonderful, but not everyone gets the experience. And if your only church options are "affirm and embrace everything" or "gay people are automatically going to Hell", it just feels weird to have two flavors of "yeah, no..." to choose from. You're right, the path is quite narrow.
 
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@Fervent : Something I think *needs* to be put out there more often is the distinction between attraction and physical sin. Friendship and emotional closeness vs. the physical stuff. If zero distinction is made, you get a lot of people who are very, very constricted beyond what is reasonable, who may mistakenly believe that they are now straight, and wind up far more ruined than they would have been had "pray the gay away" not been presented as an option.

Yes, sometimes people are miraculously delivered from ssa. That's wonderful, but not everyone gets the experience. And if your only church options are "affirm and embrace everything" or "gay people are automatically going to Hell", it just feels weird to have two flavors of "yeah, no..." to choose from. You're right, the path is quite narrow.
Yes...and as that article you linked mentions, it's an issue that needs to be dealt with through humility. I think one of the bigger struggles the Western church is having, which is finding expression in the debate over homosexuality, is that it is no longer viewed as the moral foundation for society and so there is a great deal of reactionism towards the most obvious battle grounds. If the church is to regain social relevance, we collectively need to take some humble pie and recognize that we can't simply cry foul and expect respect. We have to engage the world where it is, and not where we would like it to be. Have a little interest in the point of view of people who don't share our convictions, even if we know that ultimately we aren't going to see eye to eye. We can have conversations and provide advice to Christians who are struggling with ssa, but remembering the words of Paul leave those outside the church to God and focus on preaching the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ while we were still sinners.
 
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