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Not one rocket - no fire US executes Bombing on Iran Nuclear Facilities

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Who do you believe then? An anonymous source who speaks on the condition of anonymity?

A great Republican once said, "Trust, but verify." Perhaps we should return to practicing that.
 
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Read my last post. President Obama and Congress had issues with this policy, and the Senate pushed back. Senator Dianne Feinstein from President Obama’s own party led the opposition.

You can engage in whataboutism all day, but it doesn't change the fact that presidents have kept the Gang of Eight informed before taking covert action for many years. This is the norm.
sounds like you are complaining.

oh, and it is not a whataboutism if you are castigating an action and then comparing to the very self same action of another in the same position.
 
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A great Republican once said, "Trust, but verify." Perhaps we should return to practicing that.
Verify through whom if not intelligence and our allies?
 
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sounds like you are complaining.

oh, and it is not a whataboutism if you are castigating an action and then comparing to the very self same action of another in the same position.

I wish you a pleasant evening!
 
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Here is a piece of historical context. When President Obama attempted to take similar actions, Republicans along with Senator Dianne Feinstein insisted on following the established norm of informing the Gang of Eight before undertaking any covert actions. It seems that adhering to norms was important at that time; however, today it appears that these norms are not always prioritized.
As clearly shown and linked in post 18

NO he did not - Obama did not attempt anything - he bombed them and then told congress - he set the precedent for Trumps actions -

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Google and AI has turned everyone into an internet genius.
Whether he googled it or not, no pile of U-235 (60% or even richer) is going to become a 30 megaton bomb without a fusion booster and no one (and I mean no one) was claiming Iran was anywhere near a fusion boosted weapon.
 
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Whether he googled it or not, no pile of U-235 (60% or even richer) is going to become a 30 megaton bomb without a fusion booster and no one (and I mean no one) was claiming Iran was anywhere near a fusion boosted weapon.
You don't mind if I consider the words of the Administration - Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the head of the
International Atomic Energy Agency over yours, do you?
 
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As clearly shown and linked in post 18

NO he did not - Obama did not attempt anything - he bombed them and then told congress - he set the precedent for Trumps actions -

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Ok. President Obama did the same thing. I wasn't aware of this. I read that he had challenged Congress on this issue and congress stood up including members of his own party.

Both President Obama and President Trump have erred in this matter. While it is not illegal, it is indeed unprecedented. It is important to hold all presidents accountable for their actions, whether it be Obama, Bush, Clinton, Trump or Biden.

The pertinent question is: Should President Trump's actions be justified on the grounds that President Obama did the same?

There seems to be a challenge where critics of President Trump often do not acknowledge his successful decisions, while his supporters frequently reject any criticism. This polarization could impede constructive dialogue and balanced governance.
 
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You don't mind if I consider the words of the Administration - Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the head of the
International Atomic Energy Agency over yours, do you?

You should not accept someone's statement solely based on their position as the chairman of Join Chiefs.

Exactly 22 years ago, the United States entered into a prolonged war following the Secretary of State's address to the United Nations, in which he asserted that Iraq posed an imminent threat. It was later revealed that even the Secretary of State himself was unaware he was delivering inaccurate information.

I support President Trump's actions regarding Iran. However, I believe we may be engaging in a premature victory celebration typical of Trump's style. I advocate for caution and suggest taking a few more weeks to ensure we have all the relevant facts.
 
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You don't mind if I consider the words of the Administration - Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the head of the
International Atomic Energy Agency over yours, do you?
If that's who you think is telling you that falsehood -- no. It just isn't possible to build a fission only device with U-235 that has a yield of 30 Mt.
 
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The pertinent question is: Should President Trump's actions be justified on the grounds that President Obama did the same?
No - they are justified because the actions are well within the authority of the president. Whomever the president happens to be.
You should not accept someone's statement solely based on their position as the chairman of Join Chiefs.
That is why I did not cite a sole source -
If that's who you think is telling you that falsehood -- no. It just isn't possible to build a fission only device with U-235 that has a yield of 30 Mt.
You should immediately notify the International Atomic Energy Agency they are wrong, obviously you know something they do not.
 
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You should immediately notify the International Atomic Energy Agency they are wrong, obviously you know something they do not.
Aha personal insult! Sorry not interested in engaging in personal insult.
 
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Chairman of Joint Chiefs give a description of a near perfectly executed plan

Thanks to the professionalism of the United States military, Iran nuclear capabilities have been reduced.


Thanks to a proactive instead of a reactive President - we don't have to worry about Iran getting nuclear weapons.

Their pathetic retaliation demonstrates how weak they have become.

Oh, this thread is about the president's actions?

Reportedly, his former Fox News talk show host was excluded from the military planing. I applaud him for that decsion.
 
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Aha personal insult! Sorry not interested in engaging in personal insult.
Was I addressing something you said?

Who is more believable - and anonymous poster on a public forum - or the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency?
 
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Reportedly, his former Fox News talk show host was excluded from the military planing. I applaud him for that decsion.
Already debunked - try to keep up
 
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You should immediately notify the International Atomic Energy Agency they are wrong, obviously you know something they do not.
And you didn't provide evidence of it. The 30 Mt claim is in a post containing nothing but your own words.

30 Mt would be one of the largest *thermonuclear* devices ever made.
 
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And you didn't provide evidence of it. The 30 Mt claim is in a post containing nothing but your own words.

30 Mt would be one of the largest *thermonuclear* devices ever made.
Because unlike our online geniuses - I don't know - but I do know those who are actual work in the intelligence and International agencies say they were weeks away from a weapon - that is what three nations intelligence, and the International Atomic Energy Agency have stated - your AI or google explanation does not carry greater weight than they do.
 
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Because unlike our online geniuses - I don't know - but I do know those who are actual work in the intelligence and International agencies say they were weeks away from a weapon - that is what three nations intelligence, and the International Atomic Energy Agency have stated
[citation needed] You haven't provided link that matches your claim. Where did you get "30 Mt"?
- your AI or google explanation does not carry greater weight than they do.
AI is an abomination against intellect and understanding. I refuse to use it. The only "Googling" I did was *after* the first response to cross check the actual practical limit of pure fission weapons. The largest ever built (the 0.5 Mt limit mentioned by another poster) was not a pure U-235 device as it also used plutonium -- something Iran doesn't have.

Here was the link I searched for to confirm my memory:

Nuclear weapon yield - Wikipedia
 
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Wiki is to Britannia what American idol is to the Julliard

Anyone can post anything on wiki

Are you a physicist? Do you have a background in Nuclear fission technology?

Do yourself a favor and skip the Google search method and read what the people on the ground and in the agencies are reporting.

If you have an issue with that, I am sorry. But I don’t have the knowledge to debate it, quite frankly, neither do you.
 
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