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Safety? Privacy?
Those are important concerns, but they are not directly moral issues. The assertion was made that there is a separate moral issue involved.
 
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Those are important concerns, but they are not directly moral issues. The assertion was made that there is a separate moral issue involved.
We have been raised in a society (which goes back hundreds if not thousands of years) where respecting the opposite sexes privacy and dignity is paramount. With co-ed bathrooms, you are inviting sin and immoral behavior. There will always be deviant people who will abuse the situation. The so-called "peeping tom". Why allow such a situation when it is simple to keep separate bathrooms for men and women. Or if there is one bathroom then while one person is using the bathroom others should wait outside.
 
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Those are important concerns, but they are not directly moral issues. The assertion was made that there is a separate moral issue involved.
Ok? Maybe it’s morally neutral? I don’t know.
 
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Those are important concerns, but they are not directly moral issues. The assertion was made that there is a separate moral issue involved.
Of course its a moral issue. It always has been. In this case its a clash of morality. One morality that says its wrong to subject women to a lack of privacy and safety and the other morality that says its wrong to make men use the men's room. The morality that says we have no clue if the man is trans or not. Therefore they should be allowed to invade the private spaces of women regardless of what the women want.

This is a clash of right and wrong and who's morality will prevail.
 
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For the life of me I cannot even think of a reason why a man using a women's bathroom is immoral.
I cannot think of a reason that men who insist on using a woman's bathroom find it immoral to use the men's?
 
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Where did RileyG said anything about the constitution?

I agree with the overturn of Roe and that this general constitutional "right to privacy" is a made up doctrine (I would go further and say even if there was one, it still wouldn't justify Roe). However, RileyG made no mention of, nor gave any implication, that they were referring to right to privacy as a constitutional right. That is, there was no indication that there was something unconstitutional about "the rights of girls and women being abused by biological males and the transgenderism agenda" (one of those rights subsequently stated by RileyG to be "Rights to privacy, for one").

It should go without saying that it is possible to protect rights not found in the Constitution. There is no right to an abortion in the US constitution, but that does not prevent states from passing laws declaring it to be a right. And one can refer to something as a "right" even if it is not formally protected by the constitution or law (although it obviously means there is no legal problem in violating it).
So, you agree that there is no such right enshrined in the Constitution, nor in state law. So just where is this alleged right that RileyG seems to think exists?
You seem to just be constructing a strawman in order to knock it down. RileyG gave no indication anything about constitutional rights, so to declare that this was not a constitutional right is basically arguing against a claim not made.
The Constitution seems to be the first place we look when discussing rights. If it's not there, nor in state law. It must be somewhere.

Right?
 
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So, you agree that there is no such right enshrined in the Constitution, nor in state law. So just where is this alleged right that RileyG seems to think exists?

The Constitution seems to be the first place we look when discussing rights. If it's not there, nor in state law. It must be somewhere.

Right?
I never said it was in the constitution. It’s more about respect for women and girls that don’t want men- so called trans “women”- invade their personal spaces.

They can pretend all they want, but they don’t have a right to force their agenda onto others.
 
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Of course its a moral issue. It always has been. In this case its a clash of morality. One morality that says its wrong to subject women to a lack of privacy and safety and the other morality that says its wrong to make men use the men's room. The morality that says we have no clue if the man is trans or not. Therefore they should be allowed to invade the private spaces of women regardless of what the women want.

This is a clash of right and wrong and who's morality will prevail.
I can never wrap my head around it. Makes zero sense to me.

SMH
 
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I cannot think of a reason that men who insist on using a woman's bathroom find it immoral to use the men's?
Well, no one is suggesting that they do, so that's OK.
 
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Of course its a moral issue. It always has been. In this case its a clash of morality. One morality that says its wrong to subject women to a lack of privacy and safety and the other morality that says its wrong to make men use the men's room. The morality that says we have no clue if the man is trans or not. Therefore they should be allowed to invade the private spaces of women regardless of what the women want.

This is a clash of right and wrong and who's morality will prevail.
Men using women's bathrooms is not customary and many people feel uncomfortable when their customs are violated, especially when the customs involve intimate personal habits like going to the bathroom. That discomfort is real and should be acknowledged, but it is not a moral issue--unless one of you can tell me what the moral issue is.
 
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Men using women's bathrooms is not customary and many people feel uncomfortable when their customs are violated, especially when the customs involve intimate personal habits like going to the bathroom. That discomfort is real and should be acknowledged, but it is not a moral issue--unless one of you can tell me what the moral issue is.
It’s about respecting the rights of others.
 
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Well, no one is suggesting that they do, so that's OK.
If someone is male, use the men’s! Their feelings don’t trump the rights of others- no pun intended.
 
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And now we are around the circle again. What rights? There is no expectation of privacy in public accomodations.
The rights to have their privacy and safety taken seriously. Some women don’t want to be around sexually confused men.
 
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The rights to have their privacy and safety taken seriously. Some women don’t want to be around sexually confused men.
Of course, but they have no more right than men to be protected from having their cultural expectations challenged. And there appears to be no moral issue involved.
 
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Of course, but they have no more right than men to be protected from having their cultural expectations challenged. And there appears to be no moral issue involved.
What? This has nothing to do with cultural expectations. That’s a red herring.
 
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