Would you eat meat sacrificed by other religious traditions?

BeyondET · Jun 11, 2025

trophy33 said:
It requires the animal to be conscious during the slaughter. They slit his throat and let him bleed to death.

If they did not have the religious exemption from the law, they would go to prison for doing this to animals.

And in practice, it is even more cruel than that:

Widely condemned cattle-killing method is used by kosher meat firm's supplier

Widely condemned cattle-killing method is used by kosher meat firm's supplier

www.latimes.com

https://www.peta.org/features/agriprocessors/

It is basically impossible to practice this bronze age idea of kosher slaughter in high numbers in modern slaughterhouses without enormous stress to animals, to both the dying ones and the ones waiting to die. It is inhumane.

That's about a south American factory practicing the hook and hoist method which isn't a standard practice around the world. So indeed they want to stop buying beef from those bad actors. I don't think Isreal only gets it beef from one factory.

Jerry N. · Jun 11, 2025

.Mikha'el. said:
That wouldn't bother me. You are not eating the lamb for the same purposes they had for it. For you it is just nourishment without greater significance attached to it. I personally would have no reservations about eating meat marked as halal because if it's halal, it is also going to be kosher, so fine for me to partake.

Halal meat is kosher by Torah standards, but Conservative and Orthodox Jews would not eat it unless a rabbi certified it. However, not all halal birds are okay and many sea foods don't follow Torah.

Jerry N. · Jun 11, 2025

trophy33 said:
It requires the animal to be conscious during the slaughter. They slit his throat and let him bleed to death.

If they did not have the religious exemption from the law, they would go to prison for doing this to animals.

And in practice, it is even more cruel than that:

Widely condemned cattle-killing method is used by kosher meat firm's supplier

Widely condemned cattle-killing method is used by kosher meat firm's supplier

www.latimes.com

https://www.peta.org/features/agriprocessors/

It is basically impossible to practice this bronze age idea of kosher slaughter in high numbers in modern slaughterhouses without enormous stress to animals, to both the dying ones and the ones waiting to die. It is inhumane.

I agree that modern methods of slaughter are not very humane. It is not so much the killing method as the confinement and fear in the animals at the slaughter house, whether it is kosher or not. As the article pointed out, shackle-and-hoist slaughtering is not kind. Additionally, animals know when another animal has been killed, except chickens. Many slaughter houses use captive bolts. One type penetrates the brain, and the animal might not bleed out properly to be really kosher. However, most captive bolts only stun and allow the blood to leave the animal when the throat is cut. When a good shochet slits the throat of an animal, the animal probably doesn’t feel the pain, based on the hormones found in the meat, but it doesn’t look nice. The nerves still constrict muscles for a while. It is really the mass production that is the problem rather than the quick work of the shochet.

Rose_bud · Jun 12, 2025

2PhiloVoid said:
That's a good point. I just looked up some general info on the Eid al-Adha, and it seems that the sacrifice can be made in honor of either Isaac or Ishmael, depending on the specific narrative invoked. Apparently, there's a choice.

I guess if that's the case, I'd have to ask the neighbors in the OP as to which narrative was being referenced in conjunction with the sacrifice for the lamb. If they say, "Oh, yes, it's Ishmael, of course!!!," then I'd probably decline and tell them I can only accept the food if the lamb was prepared in connection to the proper narrative (i.e. with Isaac).

I've never encountered a Muslim whose choice of the son was Isaac. But then again much like Christianity, the Islamic religion has many sects.

I was thinking more of having the door open for conversation. Some religions are not always open to the members asking questions and many believe without question, some things are just accepted . I'm of the opinion its never really your own up until you can question it (grappling with the epistemology). Based on some of the conversations I've had, I believe its the same with Islam, especially if you were brought up in the faith.

For me it would be having the opportunity to explain why I believe its Isaac and what son of promise means. How Gods selection doesn't equate to human standards of effort and expectations, but through divine promise. How God was always about working life through death? Both Abraham and Sarah being "dead" and having to believe and trust. Not that Ishmael is not blessed and favoured, he was. But the means of salvation would come not by what we do and how we perform or us striving to appease Him, but through love and grace.

2PhiloVoid · Jun 12, 2025

Rose_bud said:
I've never encountered a Muslim whose choice of the son was Isaac. But then again much like Christianity, the Islamic religion has many sects.

I was thinking more of having the door open for conversation. Some religions are not always open to the members asking questions and many believe without question, some things are just accepted . I'm of the opinion its never really your own up until you can question it (grappling with the epistemology). Based on some of the conversations I've had, I believe its the same with Islam, especially if you were brought up in the faith.

For me it would be having the opportunity to explain why I believe its Isaac and what son of promise means. How Gods selection doesn't equate to human standards of effort and expectations, but through divine promise. How God was always about working life through death? Both Abraham and Sarah being "dead" and having to believe and trust. Not that Ishmael is not blessed and favoured, he was. But the means of salvation would come not by what we do and how we perform or us striving to appease Him, but through love and grace.

All of that just to slap a lamb chop on the barbecue? :ahah:

But seriously, yes I understand what you're saying. The opportunity for neighborly conversation with a Muslim next door could invite them to do some thought probing of their own beliefs.

Rose_bud · Jun 12, 2025

2PhiloVoid said:
All of that just to slap a lamb chop on the barbecue?

But seriously, yes I understand what you're saying. The opportunity for neighborly conversation with a Muslim next door could invite them to do some thought probing of their own beliefs.

Yip definitely be talking about the "Lamb that was slain" :idea1:

Godcrazy · Jun 16, 2025

bèlla said:
I wouldn’t accept it and have a longstanding practice of not eating home cooked foods unless I’m familiar with the environment. I was the same way at church as well.

~bella

I would not accept it.
I think it is clear we cannot eat what is sacrificied to other gods.
It was one of the few commandments we were told not to do
Not even in my new age days I could not. God prevented me literally. And I felt the spirits attached to it
This is just another reason I know for sure

FireDragon76 · Jun 17, 2025

I vote "kale". I've been Vegan since the Pandemic, and was vegetarian most of my teens and twenties.

Kale is great in soup, or with pasta and marinara, but it gets a bad reputation because people try to eat it raw. Dinosaur kale in particular is almost unpalatable raw.

Rose_bud · Jun 17, 2025

FireDragon76 said:
I vote "kale". I've been Vegan since the Pandemic, and was vegetarian most of my teens and twenties.

Kale is great in soup, or with pasta and marinara, but it gets a bad reputation because people try to eat it raw. Dinosaur kale in particular is almost unpalatable raw.

Now that you mentioning this. I wonder if the OP @seeking.IAM meant anything offered in another religion or specifically meat sacrifices. Doest Buddhism and Hinduism offer fruit and vegetables and flowers?

FireDragon76 · Jun 17, 2025

Rose_bud said:
Now that you mentioning this. I wonder if the OP @seeking.IAM meant anything offered in another religion or specifically meat sacrifices. Doest Buddhism and Hinduism offer fruit and vegetables and flowers?

Yes. Flowers and fruit are used in Hindu or Buddhist darshans or puja (devotional practice) as offerings. Fruit is offered to the Buddha or a deity symbolically as a sign of sincerity or devotion, or left for the "hungry ghosts", lower beings that live an unpleasant existence, for their spiritual benefit. The food is usually consumed by humans later, and isn't left to just spoil. The practice of feeding hungry ghosts doesn't represent sacrifice in the biblical sense, but a symbolic practice of kindness.

The reason this controversy about meat is in the Bible was there was controversy in the early Church whether it was proper to eat foods, like meat, that had been offered to idols as a form of consecration or sacrifice to the god or spirit. Nearly all meat in ancient near east and Greece had been offered or consecrated to a god in such a manner, it was just a cultural custom. This custom was especially offensive to people who were Jewish by heritage. Paul argued it was permissable to buy and consume the food, though he recognized it could be considered offensive, and urged caution and respect for those who saw it as offensive.

Rose_bud · Jun 17, 2025

FireDragon76 said:
Yes. Flowers and fruit are used in Hindu or Buddhist darshans or puja (devotional practice) as offerings. Fruit is offered to the Buddha or a deity symbolically as a sign of sincerity or devotion, or left for the "hungry ghosts", lower beings that live an unpleasant existence, for their spiritual benefit. The food is usually consumed by humans later, and isn't left to just spoil. The practice of feeding hungry ghosts doesn't represent sacrifice in the biblical sense, but a symbolic practice of kindness.

The reason this controversy about meat is in the Bible was there was controversy in the early Church whether it was proper to eat foods, like meat, that had been offered to idols as a form of consecration or sacrifice to the god or spirit. Nearly all meat in ancient near east and Greece had been offered or consecrated to a god in such a manner, it was just a cultural custom. This custom was especially offensive to people who were Jewish by heritage. Paul argued it was permissable to buy and consume the food, though he recognized it could be considered offensive, and urged caution and respect for those who saw it as offensive.

Thank you for this information.

I was wondering if the OP meant the practice of eating anything offered or it was specifically meat.

You made me think of the wheat, grain oil offerings in the Jewish practices. And yes, Paul's caution for the sake of the conscience and love for the fellow Christian.

RileyG · Jun 19, 2025

trophy33 said:
No, I would not. And I would not accept the gift, if I knew what it is.

First reason is religious, second reason is that both Jewish and Muslim meat is killed with cruelty.

I was under the understanding that the animals of both halal and kosher meat are slaughtered humanely? Maybe I was misinformed. ???

RileyG · Jun 19, 2025

This is quite an interesting thread.

I wonder how it differs from culture to culture to accept food?

It’s my understanding that in many Latin American countries, guests are expected to accept any food that is given to them because sharing food is a sign of hospitality.

Not to go off topic, but it seems those in the United States have different views.

Just sharing some random thought related to the OP.

trophy33 · Jun 20, 2025

RileyG said:
I was under the understanding that the animals of both halal and kosher meat are slaughtered humanely? Maybe I was misinformed. ???

Yes, you were misinformed. Humane slaughter is to stun the animal before killing it and to make the killing as quick as possible. Like you put your ill pet to sleep before you euthanize it.

Rose_bud · Jun 20, 2025

RileyG said:
This is quite an interesting thread.

I wonder how it differs from culture to culture to accept food?

It’s my understanding that in many Latin American countries, guests are expected to accept any food that is given to them because sharing food is a sign of hospitality.

Not to go off topic, but it seems those in the United States have different views.

Just sharing some random thought related to the OP.

You have a good point. That is why çontexualising the gospel is so important.

Jerry N. · Jun 20, 2025

trophy33 said:
Yes, you were misinformed. Humane slaughter is to stun the animal before killing it and to make the killing as quick as possible. Like you put your ill pet to sleep before you euthanize it.

Please see post #23. Stunning an animal with a captive bolt that doesn’t penetrate the brain and then cutting the throat is probably best. Some say it is not kosher and some think it is. If you are referring to electric shocks to stun the animal, it is not very humane. The butchers often put several animals in an enclosed space and then chase them around and shock them one by one. It doesn’t always work, and the animals are in a great panic. If it is done one by one, and the other animals don’t see and hear it, it is much better. The captive bolt method is usually done one by one, but I don’t know how it is done in America. I would consider the shock method kosher if done one by one, but many rabbis would probably not agree. Killing an animal with lethal injection is probably relatively humane, but I would not want to eat the meat. However it is done, it is not a nice thing to watch.

Rose_bud · Jun 20, 2025

RileyG said:
This is quite an interesting thread.

I wonder how it differs from culture to culture to accept food?

It’s my understanding that in many Latin American countries, guests are expected to accept any food that is given to them because sharing food is a sign of hospitality.

Not to go off topic, but it seems those in the United States have different views.

Just sharing some random thought related to the OP.

We used to have cottage meetings with my parents, similar to cell groups held at someone's home. The main difference was that ours were often an open door opportunity at an unbeliever's home. We'd frequently be offered food, and my dad would advise us not to be fussy and just eat it. (After praying for it). Thinking about it now, I realize it was likely about avoiding the perception that Christians were snobbish or holier-than-thou, and rejecting the food would be seen in the same light. Because this was the social dynamics at the time.

Jerry N. · Jun 20, 2025

Rose_bud said:
We used to have cottage meetings with my parents, similar to cell groups held at someone's home. The main difference was that ours were often an open door opportunity at an unbeliever's home. We'd frequently be offered food, and my dad would advise us not to be fussy and just eat it. (After praying for it). Thinking about it now, I realize it was likely about avoiding the perception that Christians were snobbish or holier-than-thou, and rejecting the food would be seen in the same light. Because this was the social dynamics at the time.

I made a post in a similar thread some time ago that halal meat was relatively kosher, but I forgot about camels. In the Middle East, camel meat is not unusual, but it is not a problem in Europe and America as far as I know.

I’ve been “Torah kosher” for over 30 years. I don’t care if a rabbi has certified the meat. I don’t eat non-kosher seafood. Being “snobbish or holier-than-thou” in the eyes of the hosts was a problem, particularly among family. However, things have changed. There are so many vegans and vegetarians and people on medical diets that people generally asks their guest before the dinner or offer a variety of foods so everyone has nice things to eat.

Rose_bud · Jun 20, 2025

Jerry N. said:
I made a post in a similar thread some time ago that halal meat was relatively kosher, but I forgot about camels. In the Middle East, camel meat is not unusual, but it is not a problem in Europe and America as far as I know.

Thank you, this is informative

Jerry N. said:
I’ve been “Torah kosher” for over 30 years. I don’t care if a rabbi has certified the meat. I don’t eat non-kosher seafood.

I didn't know a rabbi had to certify the meat. I always thought it was up to the individual to maintain the Jewish dietary requirements, but I suppose if food is manufactured on a grand scale you would want a guarantee. Much like Muslims.

Jerry N. said:
Being “snobbish or holier-than-thou” in the eyes of the hosts was a problem, particularly among family. However, things have changed. There are so many vegans and vegetarians and people on medical diets that people generally asks their guest before the dinner or offer a variety of foods so everyone has nice things to eat.

Yes it has changed in the more modern settings. But I think there is still a principle here that has to be applied in some settings. For example, I work among the homeless. I have to be intentional in my approach especially my dress. The "Sunday best" I have to put aside for another occasion. I also work amongst the less privileged and when they offer me water out of a cup that is not fine China, I have to be careful about how I respond.

Jerry N. · Jun 20, 2025

Rose_bud said:
Thank you, this is informative

I didn't know a rabbi had to certify the meat. I always thought it was up to the individual to maintain the Jewish dietary requirements, but I suppose if food is manufactured on a grand scale you would want a guarantee. Much like Muslims.

Yes it has changed in the more modern settings. But I think there is still a principle here that has to be applied in some settings. For example, I work among the homeless. I have to be intentional in my approach especially my dress. The "Sunday best" I have to put aside for another occasion. I also work amongst the less privileged and when they offer me water out of a cup that is not fine China, I have to be careful about how I respond.

Yes, the principle remains, but problems with limited diets has improved. Acting properly and being understanding and polite , hopefully, will never go out of fashion.

Would you eat meat sacrificed by other religious traditions?

Would you eat meat sacrificed in another religious tradition?

I would accept and eat the shared meat.

I would accept but not eat the shared meat.

I would refuse the gift.

Eat meat? Never. I'd rather have kale.

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