Israel Strikes Iran: Explosions in Tehran, Sirens in Israel

Jamdoc · Jun 19, 2025

trophy33 said:
Your president is publicly musing about political assassination of a foreign country leader. Which is worse?

Really, all sides should simply keep the international law. There is basically no side to be on, currently. Everybody is talking nonsense and acting like no international law exists.

We wouldn't be having any qualms against Iran if they had not had their revolution and set themselves against us first.

You're retroactively applying sentiments and claiming Iran, PRACTICERS OF THE ANTICHRIST RELIGION ISLAM are in the right.

trophy33 · Jun 19, 2025

Jamdoc said:
We wouldn't be having any qualms against Iran if they had not had their revolution and set themselves against us first.

You're retroactively applying sentiments and claiming Iran, PRACTICERS OF THE ANTICHRIST RELIGION ISLAM are in the right.

Stick to the international law, no matter your religious opinions or emotions. Yes, sometimes Muslims can be right. Or Buddhists. Or atheists. And yes, Jews can be wrong. Or Christians.

Jamdoc · Jun 19, 2025

bèlla said:
I don’t believe God has anything to do with our involvement with Israel’s defense and He certainly didn’t sanction what happened in Gaza. It’s a combination of misguided beliefs and propaganda saying otherwise. I would hate to restate the obvious but I doubt He’s promoting starvation, genocide and medical neglect. How you’re overlooking the obvious to make that conclusion work is beyond me and your position is unbiblical.

Walk as children of Light [live as those who are native-born to the Light] (for the fruit [the effect, the result] of the Light consists in all goodness and righteousness and truth), trying to learn [by experience] what is pleasing to the Lord [and letting your lifestyles be examples of what is most acceptable to Him—your behavior expressing gratitude to God for your salvation].

Do not participate in the worthless and unproductive deeds of darkness, but instead expose them [by exemplifying personal integrity, moral courage, and godly character]

~bella

The Arab world came against Israel in 1948 and 1967 and we arms embargoed both sides.

That was our role, to "let them fight it out"
and Israel miraculously won both times.

so no, it's not the US that gets credit there.

Jamdoc · Jun 19, 2025

trophy33 said:
Stick to the international law, no matter your religious opinions or emotions.

Yeah, you can stick to man's law instead of God's word if you want but it's not a good position to take.

wing2000 · Jun 19, 2025

Jamdoc said:
The second coming's connection to Israel's regathering is thus:

Zechariah 12

If Jews (the tribe of Judah, the house of David) are not gathered back into Jerusalem and inhabiting it when Jesus returns... this doesn't happen.

If they had already been righteous when He returns, they wouldn't mourn.

They mourn because they finally acknowledge their sin in crucifying Christ. It is the sin they were scattered for.

I'm familiar with the scriptures. Who is to say this plays out in 2025 or 2425? You? Once more, Jesus clearly stated not to anticipate the hour of his return.

trophy33 · Jun 19, 2025

Jamdoc said:
Yeah, you can stick to man's law instead of God's word if you want but it's not a good position to take.

There is no Gods's word that we should threaten somebody, do injustice to weaker or poor ones or lie, deceive, use inappropriate force etc.

You would be surprised how the international law corresponds with Christian teachings and generally with humanist values. It was designed by Christian nations, mostly, anyway.

Jamdoc · Jun 19, 2025

wing2000 said:
I'm familiar with the scriptures. Who is to say this plays out in 2025 or 2425? You? Once more, Jesus clearly stated not to anticipate the hour of his return.

Okay well the house of David is regathered in Israel now, they inhabit Jerusalem now.

and you're saying "nah, let the Antichrist Religion destroy them, God will scatter them again and regather them again.

.. when the promise is they wouldn't be scattered again.
if they're scattered again, God broke a promise.

trophy33 · Jun 19, 2025

Jamdoc said:
Okay well the house of David is regathered in Israel now, they inhabit Jerusalem now.

and you're saying "nah, let the Antichrist Religion destroy them, God will scatter them again and regather them again.

.. when the promise is they wouldn't be scattered again.
if they're scattered again, God broke a promise.

Eh, this is just American evangelical invention. How many times did you already have to enlarge the span of one generation?

Twenty years did not work, forty years did not work...

bèlla · Jun 19, 2025

Jamdoc said:
That was our role, to "let them fight it out"
and Israel miraculously won both times.

so no, it's not the US that gets credit there.

As long as you can live with the consequences of your position I have no qualms. You know we’re the third largest country in the world and no one can absorb us. Stretching your hand to another will always have fallout. And since you aren’t making decisions or in the presence of those who are you have no idea what that entails. All that’s required of you is to live with it.

All this talk about Israel sounds nice on paper but you’re forgetting an uncomfortable truth. We’re the ones who pay the price. We don’t have a plane on standby, a bunker awaiting our arrival or a home we can escape to in another country. When that’s the case you have to exercise commonsense. Because your leaders are safe and you aren’t. You can’t take the risks they do because you don’t have their options and must be more restrained. That should be obvious.

Okay well the house of David is regathered in Israel now, they inhabit Jerusalem now.

The House of David wasn’t protected by gentiles. God was their banner.

~bella

BCP1928 · Jun 19, 2025

Jamdoc said:
Yeah, you can stick to man's law instead of God's word if you want but it's not a good position to take.

It would certainly be best to stick to the same law as everybody else uses. But I don't think we have much use for an eschatological scenario that not even most Christians accept, as a basis for foreign policy planning.

Desk trauma · Jun 19, 2025

Jamdoc said:
Okay well the house of David is regathered in Israel now, they inhabit Jerusalem now.

and you're saying "nah, let the Antichrist Religion destroy them, God will scatter them again and regather them again.

.. when the promise is they wouldn't be scattered again.
if they're scattered again, God broke a promise.

Ah, we can sit this one out seeing as your deity will do it regardless. Still happens if we stop subsidizing them too, right?

Jamdoc · Jun 19, 2025

bèlla said:
As long as you can live with the consequences of your position I have no qualms. You know we’re the third largest country in the world and no one can absorb us. Stretching your hand to another will always have fallout. And since you aren’t making decisions or in the presence of those who are you have no idea what that entails. All that’s required of you is to live with it.

All this talk about Israel sounds nice on paper but you’re forgetting an uncomfortable truth. We’re the ones who pay the price. We don’t have a plane on standby, a bunker awaiting our arrival or a home we can escape to in another country. When that’s the case you have to exercise commonsense. Because your leaders are safe and you aren’t. You can’t take the risks they do because you don’t have their options and must be more restrained. That should be obvious.

The House of David wasn’t protected by gentiles. God was their banner.

~bella

and they weren't protected by the US in 1948 or 1967, and if we enter the war against Iran it's because we have an interest in making sure Iran doesn't get nukes either.

If they get Nukes it is our problem. They WILL use them against us.
We'll find a port city nuked by a container ship carrying a payload from Iran.

it seems the young just don't get that Iran hates us and wants us destroyed too.

They think "only Israel's problem, if we let Israel die they'll leave us alone"

Islamic Taqiyya really that effective?

Here's the thing. Israel will still be inhabited by the Jews, God protects them.

The US on the other hand, is NOT guaranteed to be protected by God, we CAN have Iranian nukes detonated on us, we CAN be destroyed, we're not in bible prophecy. So we SHOULD act in accordance with preventing Iran nuking us.

Pommer · Jun 19, 2025

Jamdoc said:
We wouldn't be having any qualms against Iran if they had not had their revolution and set themselves against us first.

Are you really going to try to argue that a people, in their own land, shouldn’t decide which kind of government that they’d like?
Getting rid of the U.S. puppet Mohammad Reza Pahlavi (whom we had installed), was done by popular demand, why was that “bad”?

Jamdoc · Jun 19, 2025

Desk trauma said:
Ah, we can sit this one out seeing as your deity will do it regardless. Still happens if we stop subsidizing them too, right?

no because God doesn't protect the US. So we can't have a nuclear Iran for our own interests.

But hey you go ahead and listen to that Taqiyya that they only care about Israel.

Jamdoc · Jun 19, 2025

Pommer said:
Are you really going to try to argue that a people, in their own land, shouldn’t decide which kind of government that they’d like?
Getting rid of the U.S. puppet Mohammad Reza Pahlavi (whom we had installed), was done by popular demand, why was that “bad”?

When it installs something akin to ISIS, yeah it's bad.

Pommer · Jun 19, 2025

Jamdoc said:
Okay well the house of David is regathered in Israel now, they inhabit Jerusalem now.

and you're saying "nah, let the Antichrist Religion destroy them, God will scatter them again and regather them again.

.. when the promise is they wouldn't be scattered again.
if they're scattered again, God broke a promise.

This is sounding awfully close to claiming that God needs the assistance of the the US of A…you sure you want to go into that rabbit hole?

essentialsaltes · Jun 19, 2025

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Jamdoc · Jun 19, 2025

Pommer said:
This is sounding awfully close to claiming that God needs the assistance of the the US of A…you sure you want to go into that rabbit hole?

No it's looking at the logic of people who just think we should curse Israel rather than bless them. God curses those who curse Israel, and that'd fall on us.

Israel doesn't get destroyed, but we can.

bèlla · Jun 19, 2025

Jamdoc said:
If they get Nukes it is our problem. They WILL use them against us.
We'll find a port city nuked by a container ship carrying a payload from Iran.

There has never been a day when I’ve lost a morsel of sleep about Iran or their supposed threat to Americans. Most of our problems are here with us.

Jamdoc said:
it seems the young just don't get that Iran hates us and wants us destroyed too.

They think "only Israel's problem, if we let Israel die they'll leave us alone"

They have better things to do with their lives than waste it on warmongering and unrealized fears. And I don’t blame them.

Jamdoc said:
Here's the thing. Israel will still be inhabited by the Jews, God protects them.

The US on the other hand, is NOT guaranteed to be protected by God, we CAN have Iranian nukes detonated on us, we CAN be destroyed, we're not in bible prophecy. So we SHOULD act in accordance with preventing Iran nuking us.

If God is their protector why are we involved with members of NATO as their shield? Why are countries in the middle east shooting down Iran’s missiles? Are you sure that’s because of Him? Should we take our hands off to test that theory?

My position with the Lord isn’t contingent on Israel or christians for that matter. He will protect me whether you do His will or not and that’s a certainty. You may believe otherwise and that is your right. But I won’t bow to either.

~bella

rjs330 · Jun 19, 2025

Jamdoc said:
and they weren't protected by the US in 1948 or 1967, and if we enter the war against Iran it's because we have an interest in making sure Iran doesn't get nukes either.

If they get Nukes it is our problem. They WILL use them against us.
We'll find a port city nuked by a container ship carrying a payload from Iran.

it seems the young just don't get that Iran hates us and wants us destroyed too.

They think "only Israel's problem, if we let Israel die they'll leave us alone"

Islamic Taqiyya really that effective?

Here's the thing. Israel will still be inhabited by the Jews, God protects them.

The US on the other hand, is NOT guaranteed to be protected by God, we CAN have Iranian nukes detonated on us, we CAN be destroyed, we're not in bible prophecy. So we SHOULD act in accordance with preventing Iran nuking us.

Spot on. I have said the same things. We have too many people here thinking with the weather mind and only focusing on Israel. Iran wants to destroy us too. Right now they are very focused on Israel, but if they got a nuke, we would be next. Its a bloodthirsty evil regime rhat doeant even care about its own people. They dont care if their people die or they die. Rhey just want to bring about the death and destruction with fire and blood. All the better for them if they die in it. They will get special virgin privileges in heaven.

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