Israel Strikes Iran: Explosions in Tehran, Sirens in Israel

Gene2memE · Jun 19, 2025

Jamdoc said:
I think a lot of people either forget or are totally unconscious about Iran's leadership's eschatology or constant barrage of "Death to America".

They see it as only an Israel problem, seems like Muslim lobbying has been successful at putting forth the idea that they only want to destroy Israel, and so it's not our problem as well. Iran doesn't just hate us for supporting Israel. They hate us because we backed the Shah, and the Islamists hate us because they hate western culture, seeing it as degenerate and "the Great Satan". Israel is only "the little Satan". The US in particular is "the Great Satan".

"Backed the Shah" is such an .... interesting .... way of putting it.

In 1952, the UK (Operation Boot) and US (Operation Ajax/APAJAX) decided to overthrow the democratically elected government of Iran. They failed in an attempt to subvert the 1952 elections so they destabilised the Iranian economy and then planned and coordinated a coup in 1953.*

The US and the UK then spent quarter of a century helping to coordinate the repression of sections of the Iranian population under the Shah.

*Yes, Mosaddegh was verging towards dictatorial status by the end of 1952. But, I'd argue that this was primarily the result of UK interference in Iranian politics from 1951 and US interference from late 1952, rather than anything organic to his government

wing2000 · Jun 19, 2025

Jamdoc said:
I don't. Ezekiel 36 talks about the return of the Jews to their land in unbelief after being scattered to every nation. Not just Babylon.

If that wasn't modern day Israel, what then is it? Because the promise is made that after they are gathered again, they won't be uprooted again.
Obviously that wasn't meaning after Babylon, because they were in fact, uprooted again and scattered to all nations.

That isn't for us to figure out or attempt to make happen.

“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

[Yea, I realize generations of American evangelicals have been taught otherwise...and support and enable the modern day state of Israel to do anythin, includng the slaughter of thousdand of civilians. ]

wing2000 · Jun 19, 2025

rjs330 said:
There will be NO war in Iran with troops on tge ground. Americans would not support that. I know I wouldn't.

The only way to destroy Iran's nuclear program is with boots on the ground. At minimum, special forces strike teams would have to be deployed across all of Iran's nuclear sites to destroy and/or verify destruction by American bombs. It would likely get much messier than anyone is planning.

Have we learned nothing from our Iraq disaster?

Desk trauma · Jun 19, 2025

wing2000 said:
Have we learned nothing from our Iraq disaster?

Not one, single, thing.

bèlla · Jun 19, 2025

Jamdoc said:
At that point, you know 100% they're going for a nuclear weapon.
What then do you do? The diplomatic process was getting nowhere and Iran was using it to stall for time while they tested components.

I want you to read what you wrote above and consider it carefully. You don’t get to make that statement without consequences. If you aren’t willing to go to war or see the same on our shores you should rethink what you said. That’s the elephant in the room in all of this. You don’t get to complain later if you’re attacked. You brought it on yourself.

Unbeknownst to most, nothing was destroyed. I just watched an update from Putin. Iran’s uranium is safe and there’s 200 Russians working at their nuclear plant. He‘s spoken to Bibi to insure their safety. Now his previous offer makes sense. Why they’d be willing to store the excess uranium on Iran’s behalf. They already know what’s there and planning to build more plants. It wasn’t tabled.

In other words, you’ll confront it again and it’s a 12 year project. But in the meantime, if you destroy the plant there may be Russian casualties. Now what?

Israel is confronting the sobering realities of war. They’re not accustomed to the level of destruction and danger they’re dealing with now and it isn’t pretty. Find a reputable source with footage of the carnage and ask yourself a question. Can you live with that? You can’t assume we’ll remain untouched. It‘s unrealistic.

~bella

Yttrium · Jun 19, 2025

bèlla said:
You’ve elected leaders who were funded by AIPAC and pro-Israeli supporters. It doesn’t matter what they want. Their obligations must be fulfilled. While you can thumb your nose at the citizens it‘s a different matter when people are writing $100 million dollar checks. You can’t wiggle out of that too easily without consequences.

Trump isn't swayed simply by donations. It's praise that turns his head. Give Trump lots of compliments, and he'll help you out.

Having said that, lots of compliments plus lots of money works even better.

bèlla said:
And if we‘re going to be fair-minded on the subject you’d have the weigh the results of western involvement in the region for financial interests. America and the UK are equally duplicitous and Wall Street benefits mightily. So let’s call the spade what it is. An unfortunate debacle with equitable hardships and questionable leasdership.

Yeah.

bèlla said:
No one who genuinely intended to pursue a diplomatic solution would be threatening to assassinate the leader of the country they’re supposed to be working with. Nor would you trust their intentions or be willing to talk without conditions in place. And the fact that he did it on social media is equally alarming.

True, but then again Khamenei doesn't get involved in negotiations. The actual negotiators would want to make sure their supreme leader stays alive. So who knows, even though it's a bad tactic, it might just work in this case.

BCP1928 · Jun 19, 2025

Jamdoc said:
I don't. Ezekiel 36 talks about the return of the Jews to their land in unbelief after being scattered to every nation. Not just Babylon.

If that wasn't modern day Israel, what then is it? Because the promise is made that after they are gathered again, they won't be uprooted again.
Obviously that wasn't meaning after Babylon, because they were in fact, uprooted again and scattered to all nations.

It's a western-oriented secular state created by the British in Ottoman Palestine and populated with largely European immigrants. Anybody who demands that our foreign policy be based on the notion that the present state of Israel is the fulfillment of a promise made by God is, IMO, a traitor to his country and an enemy of Christ.

bèlla · Jun 19, 2025

Jamdoc said:
God is certainly moving His hand. If He wasn't? Israel would have been squashed decades ago.

I don’t believe God has anything to do with our involvement with Israel’s defense and He certainly didn’t sanction what happened in Gaza. It’s a combination of misguided beliefs and propaganda saying otherwise. I would hate to restate the obvious but I doubt He’s promoting starvation, genocide and medical neglect. How you’re overlooking the obvious to make that conclusion work is beyond me and your position is unbiblical.

Walk as children of Light [live as those who are native-born to the Light] (for the fruit [the effect, the result] of the Light consists in all goodness and righteousness and truth), trying to learn [by experience] what is pleasing to the Lord [and letting your lifestyles be examples of what is most acceptable to Him—your behavior expressing gratitude to God for your salvation].

Do not participate in the worthless and unproductive deeds of darkness, but instead expose them [by exemplifying personal integrity, moral courage, and godly character]

~bella

bèlla · Jun 19, 2025

rjs330 said:
Seriously? Trump is backing Israel just because of some donations? Trump has been an Israel supporter for a long time. This certainly is not a case where he wouldn't but has to because of the money.

What’s confusing about that statement? Are you unable to separate personal interests from political expectations? He may support Israel but that doesn’t mean he’s on board with everything people want to do where they’re concerned. And when you put money behind an issue it’s a different ballgame. They’re not writing those checks for nothing and people complained about lobbyists and donors for years. But now it isn‘t an issue because you like the administration.

The neocons want regime change and many donors are in that camp. You’re not getting that without force and you know it.

rjs330 said:
The majority of Americans support Israel's response to Iran's work to create a Nuke.

Protests are underway as we speak and have already occurred in LA, NY and other cities. Perhaps you weren’t aware? And there‘s numerous videos echoing the same from everyday citizens. They don’t a war with Iran and candidly said it’s not our war.

rjs330 said:
There will be NO war in Iran with troops on tge ground. Americans would not support that. I know I wouldn't.

It’s more than troops. There’s a financial cost as well which is usually borne by taxpayers. Are you aware how much we’ve spent thus far?

US spends a record $17.9 billion on military aid to Israel since last Oct. 7

According to the article, we’ve spent a total amount of $22.76 billion dollars and counting. We have a lot of needs that could be resolved if our money wasn’t going elsewhere. That’s America first in action.

~bella

rjs330 · Jun 19, 2025

bèlla said:
Protests are underway as we speak and have already occurred in LA, NY and other cities. Perhaps you weren’t aware? And there‘s numerous videos echoing the same from everyday citizens. They don’t a war with Iran and candidly said it’s not our war.

Protests are always underway somewhere from leftists. The No Kings were just a bunch of leftists who hate Trump and anything he does. The majority of Americans support the illegal immigration crackdown despite the leftist protests. There are so many professional leftist protestors now who just go around protesting one thing or another.

Most Americans support Israel and want us to. Most Americans do NOT support a war with Iran. We have tired of it. But supporting Israel is still a thing.

Protests mean nothing anymore. They are all pretty much Democratic voters or socialists, communists or anarchists Trump haters with nothing better to do.

rjs330 · Jun 19, 2025

bèlla said:
It’s more than troops. There’s a financial cost as well which is usually borne by taxpayers. Are you aware how much we’ve spent thus far?

US spends a record $17.9 billion on military aid to Israel since last Oct. 7

According to the article, we’ve spent a total amount of $22.76 billion dollars and counting. We have a lot of needs that could be resolved if our money wasn’t going elsewhere. That’s America first in action.

Happy to do it. Israel also spends its own money by our stuff. Israel is surrounded by a bunch of Islamist terrorist Jew haters who constantly and consistently attack them and support those who do. Its a death cult and After what happened on October 7 I have no issues with helping them destroy the evil that surrounds them.

trophy33 · Jun 19, 2025

rjs330 said:
Most Americans support Israel and want us to.

As of early 2025, only about 46% of Americans express sympathy for Israelis, the lowest level in 25 years of Gallup polling, while sympathy for Palestinians has increased to 33%.

Less Than Half in U.S. Now Sympathetic Toward Israelis

More Americans express sympathy for the Israelis (46%) than the Palestinians (33%) in the Middle East situation, but the margin has shrunk to a new low.

news.gallup.com

wing2000 · Jun 19, 2025

rjs330 said:
Happy to do it. Israel also spends its own money by our stuff.

Isreal spends a lot of our money too.

Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. military assistance since the Second World War, amounting to more than $124 billion over the past seven decades, not adjusted for inflation. In recent years, U.S. assistance to Israel has been outlined in a 10-year memoranda of understandings, the most recent of which was signed in 2016 and pledges $38 billion in military assistance between FY2019-FY2028.

In Shadow of War, a Snapshot of US Military Assistance to Israel • Stimson Center

As Washington delivers military aid to Israel, Stimson experts explore 70 years of a partnership underwritten by billions in arms transfers and security assistance

www.stimson.org

trophy33 · Jun 19, 2025

wing2000 said:
Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. military assistance since the Second World War, amounting to more than $124 billion over the past seven decades,

Is it not Ukraine with almost $200 billion over last few years? But I do not know how to adjust it for inflation. Today's billion is not the same as a billion 20 years ago.

Pommer · Jun 19, 2025

trophy33 said:
Is it not Ukraine with almost $200 billion over last few years? But I do not know how to adjust it for inflation. Today's billion is not the same as a billion 20 years ago.

Try this: Inflation Calculator | Find US Dollar's Value From 1913-2025

bèlla · Jun 19, 2025

trophy33 said:
Is it not Ukraine with almost $200 billion over last few years? But I do not know how to adjust it for inflation. Today's billion is not the same as a billion 20 years ago.

It’s all too much in my opinion. But you don’t hear a peep from christians in complaint. They’ll champion reductions to social services that impact the needy and celebrate them too. They have lots to say about the poor and not a word for the other. And I’m not oblivious to their discrimination. While I’m aware that isn’t true for all there’s a lot who feel this way and the majority voted for him.

~bella

wing2000 · Jun 19, 2025

trophy33 said:
Is it not Ukraine with almost $200 billion over last few years? But I do not know how to adjust it for inflation. Today's billion is not the same as a billion 20 years ago.

...in any case, we have and are providing a lot of military aid to Israel.

[Thanks OBAMA!]

Jamdoc · Jun 19, 2025

trophy33 said:
"Easy target, but we will not kill him, yet"

"Maybe I will join the war, maybe I will not, nobody knows".

"Unconditional surrender!"

Do you think there is a reason why some Muslim countries do not like America and do not chant for example "Death to Italy", "Death to Brazil" or "Death to Norway"?

"You reap what you sow." You can see it for example in how Canada changed their view of America (for example booing during your anthem), based upon your actions against Canada.

In any case, one thing is rhetorics and another thing is using a nuclear bomb.

They've been chanting death to America since 1979.
We were on good terms with Iran before the Islamists took it over.

trophy33 · Jun 19, 2025

Jamdoc said:
They've been chanting death to America since 1979.

Your president is publicly musing about political assassination of a foreign country leader. Which is worse?

Really, all sides should simply keep the international law. There is basically no side to be on, currently. Everybody is talking nonsense and acting like no international law exists.

Jamdoc · Jun 19, 2025

wing2000 said:
That isn't for us to figure out or attempt to make happen.

“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

[Yea, I realize generations of American evangelicals have been taught otherwise...and support and enable the modern day state of Israel to do anythin, includng the slaughter of thousdand of civilians. ]

The second coming's connection to Israel's regathering is thus:

Zechariah 12

10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

If Jews (the tribe of Judah, the house of David) are not gathered back into Jerusalem and inhabiting it when Jesus returns... this doesn't happen.

If they had already been righteous when He returns, they wouldn't mourn.

They mourn because they finally acknowledge their sin in crucifying Christ. It is the sin they were scattered for.

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